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| SoniCalvin | Jun 2 2009, 04:18 PM Post #16 |
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... O.O OoO HOLY F%%%ING S%%%!! Words can't describe how excited I am!! Though I need to ask. Considering that this is Team Ninja Nintendo's teaming up with, what are the chances of seeing Samus in her Zero Suit a lot? |
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| Al | Jun 2 2009, 06:00 PM Post #17 |
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Can't be Liquid--he'd be an infant in the 70s, if he was even alive. It looks like Big Boss DOES get some love after all. The new Metroid looks like a dream, but I wonder if it's going to be the traditional Metroid outing--exploration and adventure, non-linear fun abounding. As it is, it looks like a loud action game. Which is all well and good, because it looks incredible. But is it going to be Metroid? Also, Samus can talk now. If she starts wondering what RIIIIDLey's up to and get so hungry she could eat a Crocomire, then I'm calling shenanigans. |
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| SoniCalvin | Jun 2 2009, 06:07 PM Post #18 |
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Completely wrong universe there, Al.
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| Al | Jun 2 2009, 06:13 PM Post #19 |
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It was meant to illustrate a point. There's a reason why characters like Link and Samus have been kept silent for so long. But I guess after Metroid Prime 3, it was inevitable... *sigh* |
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| SoniCalvin | Jun 2 2009, 06:26 PM Post #20 |
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I dunno, she seems like the kind of girl who has a lot to say. She had some small lines in Brawl, what with her taunts. ...Then again, Link always struck me as the speaking type as well. ...Bleh. Well, Jak was pretty much a silent hero for the first Jak and Daxter game, and then he up and started talking in the sequel, with the series' new look. And people took to it well. Really, giving a silent character some spoken dialogue is fine, it's really a matter of making it work. |
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| Al | Jun 2 2009, 06:31 PM Post #21 |
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It's just that for twenty years she's been a silent protagonist. Why change it? They really gotta be careful with what she says. |
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| SoniCalvin | Jun 2 2009, 06:56 PM Post #22 |
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Yeah, 'cause if a usually silent hero winds up saying something stupid like, say, Link... it spreads all over the Internet like wildfire. |
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| darktitan | Jun 3 2009, 12:47 AM Post #23 |
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YES! YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!!! Finally! I've been seeing screenshots and little hints, but yes! I am so getting a PSP if it comes out on that. Seeing a new instalment in the Jak and Daxter franchise alone would be worth the money for me. LM, where did you find this montage? I too, wish to see a glimpse of my favorite gaming duo.
Yeah, but that was because it was kinda necessary. It worked alright in the first game to have him silent, because there was little enough character interaction that Daxter's jokes, Keira's explanations, and Samos's ramblings/wisdom could sufice to communicate the purpose of the activity to Jak and get him all the info he needed. When the story got more complicated and serious in Jak 2, they could no longer rely on Daxter's jokes to serve as Jak's surrogate voice, since that'd get them both killed. Since both Samos and Keira were missing at first, Jak had to start talking, not only to gain information, but to earn others' trust as well, something Daxter's not particularly specialized in, unless your name is Tess. All that to say, the mute-to-talker thing can work, but generally only if it's needed int he game's storyline, and it's usually better off being done earlier in the series. It could work here, but I'd be wary myself. |
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| Lizard-Man | Jun 5 2009, 01:25 AM Post #24 |
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Well its probably better you watch the actual trailer for the game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=072S6K39yJE Well E3 is pretty much done, and theres lots of stuff out there. I think its best you head on over to IGN's E3 2009 page for more details, but I'll try my best with what was big news to me. First, the gameplay for Mass Effect 2. From what I've read you can come across old faces and Shepard will be alive for at least this game. But Bioware revealed that Shepard could die during the game's plot if your choices affect it so it happens. Meaning the only way you'll still be Shepard next time around is if your choices make sure he survives. Again, I just want Wrex to be back... and Liara... she was my blue girlfriend afterall. Brutal Legend of course is going to be awesome, you can find more footage of it on its own thread... now if Activision would just shut the hell up already and let it get published... I'm jealous of PS3 owners who will get to play a ton of awesome looking games, thats for sure. I think Alan Wake is going to be a very good game. I like how they use light as a weapon and have a very compelling narrative. Yes, definetly staying tuned for that. Now I'm pissed off at Activision now, but they also had a good showing. I hate the company at the moment, not their games. Wolfenstein, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 and Modern Warfare 2 all look like great titles... a shame I may have to hold off buying them until Brutal Legend is allowed to be released by these asshats. EA bought it fair and square, so suck it up already and move on! Enough of them, Assassins Creed 2 and Splinter Cell Conviction are two games I'm definetly going to have to own. You know I never finished Double Agent, but I do still love the series. I have to remember to go back and play some levels one of these days. Plus I have GOT to try out this new Assassin's moves. Dual hidden blades, do want. I'm excited for some of the Wii's titles, and they look great. But I'm wondering if Super Mario Galaxy 2 will be more of the same or they'll add something new. There were some smaller games announced, A game called "Homefront" debuted its trailer at E3. Sporting some rather crisp graphics it takes place in an occupied America where you must fight back the invading hoardes of North Korea. Seems promising. I'm definetly downloading Point Lookout for Fallout 3 guys! Check out the trailer I posted in its thread. Dragon Age Origins is going to be an interesting RPG game, I'm wondering if I should consider picking it up for myself. Oh sure, its a pc game only... but come on! Theres tons of blood and gore man! It looks awesome! Next, Halo: ODST and Halo: Reach, I'm intrigued and I'm definetly looking forward to these games. I just wished they showed us more on stage. MAG apparently works, wow, I'm not a multiplayer person but wow. It actually works. God of War 3, no need to explain just find video of the demo and watch in awe. The new game from the team behind Ico, The Last Guardian, definetly looks like a very innovative game. But then again, the series is know for switching up gameplay. Red Steel looked like great fun, definetly want to play that. Now onto the surprises of the show. Project Natal and Milo: It apparently does work according to sources, so my skepticism is slightly eroded. But I still need to see this thing talking to me to be sure. Playstation's new motion control: It still looked impressive, and I see how it can be used in game, but I need to see it in actual action to pass final judgement. Metroid: Other M: SWEET! Nintendo needed something like this last year! Why didn't they tease it last year beyond a line of dialogue? WHY? Who cares, bring on the games! I've barely even scratched the surface of E3, hell there was so much going on it was hard to keep up. But I do somethings that dissapointed me this year, big time! EA's Games for girls: I'm not feminist, but even I was offended by what I saw. Essentially this game series says "Girls can't play actual games, lets give them this stereotypical ********" All I can say is... god... how did that woman stand up there on stage and actual promote this? She had to have been given a raise or something theres no way she would've done it for a regular paycheck... whatever being an EA presenter pays that is. Ubisoft's opening speech: Sweet dear god, I turned the channel for who knows how long during this. And when I came back to find James Cameron talking about Avatar I stayed because I figured "Hey maybe he'll show a trailer or a demo!" but no. He made me want to see his movie, and it sounds like his game won't suck, but I need more then assurances James my boy, I need footage. I don't get it, why is Cameron so secretive about this project? He's revealed nothing period about this movie. Perhaps he wants to keep it from being spoiled. Good on him, but I still want to know what the damn game is about. Wii Vitality: What. The. Hell. Okay, really, was this nessecary? Was this what we wanted? Why make this? What does it add? Who would buy this? Who even cares? Why would you want a thing that turns your wii mote into a heart sensor? What does any of this have to do with games? Why was this brought to E3? WHY? WHY? WHY?! The PS3's super montage: While it did get to showcase a lot of games on the system, I feel they could've done so much better by using the time run through some quick demos of some of the games. I mean, the whole thing went on forever. Okay Sony, you got games, you're awesome, show us them in full and not just in clips. Painting with Natal: It was pretty, and looked like fun... but is anyone really going to use this passed, I don't know, 8 years old? Its virtual finger painting essentially. Nothing from Valve on Half-Life 2: Episode 3: Valve, I love you guys, really I do. But godamnit, its been two years since the last bloody episode! Isn't episodic content supposed to be... quick? Come on guys! You can't just leave us hanging like this! Don't make Episode 3 the next Duke Nukem Forever guys! Don't do it! Of course my biggest dissapointment of all was Activision's childish lawsuit... but again... I'm trying to keep that to a minimum and since that didn't take place at E3 itself... its hard to pin it on the show. But theres no denying that Brutal Legend got tons of publicity and Activision is obviously just pissed off that they dropped a gold mine game. Alright, thats it for that rant. Now then, E3 is over, the games are announced, nothing to do now but wait. Next big release, ghostbusters the the video game. June 16th guys! Get ready! |
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| The Zen Cow | Jun 5 2009, 08:52 AM Post #25 |
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Well excuuuuuuuse me princess!
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| SoniCalvin | Jun 5 2009, 09:19 AM Post #26 |
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Hey, you're denying Link a great adventure here! He just can't wait to bomb some dodongos! |
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| dl316bh | Jun 5 2009, 10:50 AM Post #27 |
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You guys are all missing the most important announcement of E3: http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/991/991075p1.html Hideo Kojima is taking a crack at a reboot of the Castlevania franchise. I'm so ****ing there. ************************* It sounds like Nintendo had a much better conference this year, but that's not saying much. I'm not wowed at all though; if anything, it was still lackluster. Plus, let's be honest, last years horrifyingly bad conference would have made anything look better this year. The only thing that practically dropkicked me and made me take notice was Metroid: Other M. I had basically resigned myself to another long drought without Metroid, considering Nintendo has almost never given the franchise the respect or treatment it deserves. It's nice to see I was wrong. I was right about a new Mario game, it seems. I'm... kind of baffled though. It sounds way too samey. For all the bad things I've had to say about Nintendo lately, I could always say that that kept innovating with Mario. They never seemed to just sit on their laurels with the games. A main console iteration that just follows what the last game did instead of serious innovation just seems so... un-Nintendo. Everything else was barely worth the time. Three of the decent showings were things we already knew were coming for a while now. Another sounds like it'll be based off a DS game that came out three years ago. Miyamoto apparently had some words on the next Zelda, but nothing I can find was shown. Yeah. To be honest, the Wii's outlook doesn't look all that much better now than it did before. If it weren't for Metroid: Other M the conference would still have been a complete bust. What happened to you Nintendo?
Oh f*** me. I was hoping they weren't going to do that again. Why can't they just make the online offerings their own side series? Bleh.
If we're lucky, lots.
Two reasons actually. "Immersion" and laziness. I'm being dead serious on both, but you can note the quotation marks if you want to know how seriously I take it. I hate the "silent protagonist" cliche with a fiery passion and to be frank, I'll be glad to see some stalwarts drop it. It's a useless trope in video gaming that's needed to die forever. Nintendo's one of the few that's still been doing it. I'll be glad to see them stop. Besides that, you're seriously worried about bad dialogue? Come on man, seriously. If Nintendo had any hand in the old CD-i games they wouldn't have been so bafflingly bad in general, much less dialogue. I'm convinced of it.
Why not? Dude, she's only been a silent protagonist in the original game and that's just because Nintendo kept that Samus was a woman tight lipped for the surprise at the end. She's had lines in every game since; maybe not voice roles, but dialogue from the character herself onscreen in the intro if nowhere else. They couldn't do voices aside from the grunts and all that in the old days. Cartridges were a stifling, clunky format with horribly limited space; space voice-work would eat up, hence why few DS games have much if anything in the way of speaking. There's a reason everyone save Nintendo abandoned the format completely a long time ago. The only games she was technically "silent" in were the first two Prime games, and that was just an annoying design direction I'm glad to see Nintendo's going to abandon.
Yeah, it sounds like the PS3 is really picking up steam. It's been slowly getting better as time's gone on and it's starting to be a real heavyweight contender. Internet dickwads just hated the original pricepoint and decided to start bashing the system in general from then onwards. Otherwise it's life so far has mirrored the PS2; slow start with a steady uptick of quality releases. We all know how the PS2 ended things.
He can be like that sometimes, I've noticed. I think it might have something to do with not wanting to show his hand too early. This film's been in development for a while now and any release date has been kind of suspect. Jim Cameron is probably just playing it safe; too much buzz on something too early and you run the very real risk of it burning out before the movie actually hits. |
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| Lizard-Man | Jun 5 2009, 02:06 PM Post #28 |
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Well if thats his stance, fine and good, but a short video teaser that doesn't show anything but brief glimpses of gameplay would probably not hurt him. Nonetheless, he did make me want to see his movie as he seems to have put a lot of passion into it and that is always the sign of a good movie maker. So, while I was dissapointed with his long speech sans gameplay footage, I'm still interested in seeing if this is the move game that doesn't suck. Knowing James' penchant for quality I think the chances are good. I really have no beef with Samus talking, thats perfectly fine. And not all protagonists should be silent, thats for sure. However, at least one needs to be, I always saw Gordon Freeman as mute, he's silent because he has no choice. This way I can project my own emotions at whats going on to him. I wouldn't mind it if Gordon said a line at some point, but as long as it fits his character it works. So I'm not saying I'd be up in arms about Gordon speaking, just that I want him to say something that keeps him in character. Well, after Final Fantasy 13 got multiplatform, I gues Sony had to work hard to make sure they didn't loose another exclusive. Its a good strategy on their part. They know exclusives sell consoles, so they're playing to that strength. Yeah, sorry I didn't report on that. E3 passes by so fast its hard to keep track of anything. But Castlevania by Kojima sounds sweet. I think my favourite conference out of all of them to watch was EA's. Oh sure, they had that annoying "Games for girls" thing at the start that made me puke... but hey the rest of the conference was rock solid. For the big three, I got give the edge to Sony and Microsoft this year. I agree Metroid M was really the only thing that truly saved that conference from being mediocre. I think Adam Sessler said it best: "They like telling people they're bring in people who have never played games. Well, I think you've brought them in, what are you going to do with them?" As for my favourite out of Microsoft and Sony, its hard to pick, Microsoft just kept showing off game after game, never slowing down and they definetly surprised everyone with that Natal project that reports say really does work. They've compared Milo to Seaman in terms of interactivity. Sony seemed slower but equally had as many awesome looking games. God of War 3 looked badass, great way to close a show, and Microsoft didn't exactly have any huge surprises with their games line-up, except Halo: Reach of course, but again not much was shown. So its hard for me to pick, they both had their problems, but they were both enjoyable to watch. I still want to play Alan Wake, did anyone else see that demo? It looks like true survival horror. |
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| dl316bh | Jun 5 2009, 02:33 PM Post #29 |
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The worst film I can remember James Cameron doing was merely mediocre. That's a big sign right there that this should be a fun ride. He hasn't done an outright bad film I can think of.
I generally despise silent protagonists for several reasons. I've been thinking of doing an Op-Ed on it, actually. It's a tired old cliche from video games that has no true benefits; in effect, it actually ends up creating more work in a lot of games.
I think this is more or less a huge sign that Sony is throwing it's weight behind the MMO bandwagon. It's quickly beefing up the systems roster of MMO's to choose from, making it the console of choice for it. Exclusives like DC Universe Online and now this could bode well for them; let's face it, people like their MMO's.
It's cool. I wish I could have helped. I'm extremely anxious to see what Kojima is going to do with this. I have ungodly amounts of faith in the man, faith he's well earned through great game after great game. I just know he's going to bring something great to the table and I'm horribly curious to find out what it is. A setting like Castlevania's offers a lot of leeway for Kojima's crazy ideas. It'll be nice to have the franchise do something else anyways. Aside from Aria of Sorrow (Dawn of Sorrow was a disappointing, clockwork portable Castlevania in every regard) and Order of Ecclesia, the latter of which rocked ungodly amounts of ass, the franchise has fallen into far too familiar a pattern. Now that Kojima's onboard, however, I anticipate great things.
I've genuinely been impressed with EA lately. They seem to be making an honest effort to change their ways as a whole. Their output lately has been ungodly as well. Activision is the new EA, really. If they force a delay of Brutal Legend someone is going to get hurt.
I'm about ready to just give up on Nintendo. I mean, that Mario game announcement was just a major shock to the system. I can't believe Nintendo's stooped to making basically the same game style with new levels. It's really... weird to see. I'm wondering if said game is a move on their part t try and get something going to try and shift back the increasingly unpopular opinion of the Wii. Most of their internal teams have been wrapped up in shovelware, as we know, and doing a Mario sequel like this just reeks of some sort of desperation. Of course, that's just one possible take on it. Like I said, I can barely believe they're doing that.
I don't expect this to really go all that far. Game companies have been toying with this sort of interactive stuff for so long and it still hasn't progressed much. This seems more like it'll be a side diversion kind of thing. I doubt it'll change gaming at all; if it was integrated in games I half expect the industry would collapse from rising production values in games. I really wish Microsoft would stop using Rare for stuff like this and actually have them make games instead. It seems like whenever they have something in the pipeline announced it's either Viva Pinata or something that just makes me shake my head.
I just got back online today, so I'm in catchup mode. Haven't see nthat yet. |
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| Lizard-Man | Jun 5 2009, 03:19 PM Post #30 |
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Well here's the demo they showed to get you aquianted with it. Seriously, it really looks cool. [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNd4W6jjQdg[/YOUTUBE] |
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