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Wii, DSi Points Not Interchangeable
Topic Started: Oct 8 2008, 05:05 PM (408 Views)
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For those of you who haven't been keeping track, lemme briefly explain what the DSi is. It's not a new handheld or anything, it's just a redesign for the DS, with a built-in camera, bigger mic, and everything. Pretty fancy for a DS. The only problem is that it doesn't have a GBA slot for you to play your GBA games with. So, this new redesign doesn't have backwards compatibility with the GBA. Yeah. Tough sh##, huh? But here's the real kicker, concerning download points, and downloadables for both the Wii, and the new DSi.

http://www.tssznews.com/2008/10/08/wii-dsi...nterchangeable/

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When the Nintendo DSi does come out domestically next year, the new points system Nintendo will implement won’t allow you to share points between the new handheld and your Wii.

Wii Fanboy reports the recent name change in the company’s currency system to Nintendo Points, to reflect the upcoming availability of downloadable content with the DSi.  The problem is, once points are purchased, players will have to commit them to either the handheld, or the Wii.  Nintendo has no plans to allow players a split between the two.

The move may be an annoyance at best to Nintendo faithful, who will either have to adjust their points shopping to accomodate, or leave excess unused points littered between the two.


A-hahahahaha...

F### you, Nintendo.
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God, Nintendo are a bunch of tools lately. There's really no harm in allowing the points to be interchangable; they've already got some pretty good security in place for the shop thing in general. This move just seems like douchebaggery on their part. The best part is that there probably won't even be anything worth a damn for the DS download thing anyways.

The GBA thing is an annoyance to be sure. But anyone with a flash cart can legally get around it. Just dump ROMs for the games you own on there with the emulator and presto. A bit more of a workaround, but hey. Whatta ya gonna do?

Still, it's kind of stupid, as the only real reason I can see for ditching it to begin with is for the slimming they're intending to do with this thing. Sorry, but I'd rather have the true backwards compatibility.
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Amen to all that, brotha.

EDIT: While this doesn't really have anything to do with the matter of Nintendo Points, it is related to Nintendo, and any future plan of theirs. Like, for instance, Re-releasing GameCube games for the Wii, starting with Pikmin.

If this is what Miyamoto meant when he said "We're making Pikmin", I'll die a little inside.
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I just realized something.

This whole downloadable thing for the DSi. How much you want to bet that it'll have it's own version of the Virtual Console shop? With titles ranging from the original Game Boy on to the Game Boy Advance?

When you consider the likelyhood of that, the sudden removal of the GBA functionality seems less and less like a coincidence.

Also, this is the first time in Nintendo's history of repackageing it's systems where it's actually obvious the difference is menial. Nintendo's gotten good at feeding it's line of **** to consumers and having them eat it up, but the usual feature for their "upgrades", slimming the system down, has already been done by the DS Lite. Which makes the other meaningless new "features" have to hold the weight in trying to get you to buy it. Without that added "It's so much slimmer and not like a brick" oomph, those little things seems so much less attractive.

The only thing I think is really worthwhile with this is the slightly larger screens; and that's not enough. There's SD card functionality, yeah, but before this whole shop thing, there was never a reason for the DS to have internal memory, much less external.

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If this is what Miyamoto meant when he said "We're making Pikmin", I'll die a little inside.

It hardly matters anymore. The earliest we'd see a Wii Pikmin is a year and a half from now, much less any other first party titles. The Wii is puttering along without any real, groundbreaking support from third parties and the by the time we get another wave of good first party titles, we'll probably have already gotten wind of the "Wiix2", "Wii-i" or whatever the hell they'll name the next system.

This isn't quite the outright fail that the Gamecube offered, but it's damn sure in the running.
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Oct 8 2008, 08:15 PM
I just realized something.

This whole downloadable thing for the DSi. How much you want to bet that it'll have it's own version of the Virtual Console shop? With titles ranging from the original Game Boy on to the Game Boy Advance?

When you consider the likelyhood of that, the sudden removal of the GBA functionality seems less and less like a coincidence.

If these games were for any other handheld system than GBA, I could fully understand. But I'm not sure about actually having GBA titles in the shop.

...Well, I guess I could see that happening. That'd be just like them, as of late. If they add in GBA games as downloadable from their own shop channel... well then what's the point of taking out the GBA slot then?

Nintendo have done a few different redesigns for both the GBA and DS. The only one that really has me irked, other than the DSi, is the Game Boy Micro.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...Bmicrofront.JPG

LOOK AT HOW SMALL THAT THING IS!!! YOU THINK I'D WANNA BUY SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT CAME OUT OF A CEREAL BOX?! I MEAN, LOOK AT IT!!! IT LOOKS LIKE I COULD BREAK IT TOO EASILY!!!
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The point is simple; more money. You effectively have to buy the same game over again if you want to play it on your DSi or get a system that supports it. Considering how Nintendo has run itself these days, I would not put it past them at all.

It could also easily be a way on their part to push the GBA into the "past" sooner to allow such exploitation. They didn't remove functionality for Game Boy games until the DS. That's a long, long time. The GBA hasn't stopped getting new games until very recently. Suddenly it's being dropped.

I smell a rat.

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Nintendo have done a few different redesigns for both the GBA and DS. The only one that really has me irked, other than the DSi, is the Game Boy Micro.

The super slim Game Boy annoyed me; it was released when the Game Boy Color was just over the horizon and on it's way. It was unnecessary repackaging on the scale of the GBA Micro. On the Micro, who the hell needed a GBA that small anyways after the SP? I thought that thing was sufficiently small as it was.
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I don't mind the points not being interchangeable because I pretty much just buy the points when I want to buy a game and don't really have much in the way of leftovers afterward. Maybe $4 worth? Two coffees isn't enough to irk me.

As for the DSi not having a GBA slot the only people that this really effects is the pokémon crowd because it messes with their trading or whatever (I think). I personally don't mind repurchasing games I already own (I have three copies of Crono Trigger already and don't even get me started on the original Mario trilogy).
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I generally only like repurchasing games if they have a lot of additions to them. Like with the GBA versions of Final Fantasy I-II and IV-VI. They had quite a few additions and upgrades that made the buy worth it.

I'm not really a fan of repurchasing the same thing otherwise though. Unless it's something for an older system that isn't exactly easy to pick up anymore.
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Yet another example of how Nintendo seems to have forgotten the people who got it to the level it is today. Remeber Nintendo: you've only got so many 1up mushrooms stored away. If you keep jumping into holes, you're gonna run out of lives.
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Oct 11 2008, 05:57 PM
Yet another example of how Nintendo seems to have forgotten the people who got it to the level it is today. Remeber Nintendo: you've only got so many 1up mushrooms stored away. If you keep jumping into holes, you're gonna run out of lives.

Best analogy ever.
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Oct 11 2008, 10:44 PM
Best analogy ever.

Thank you! I completely just came up with it as I was typing! XD

I think these guys phrased it pretty well though: http://theslackerz.com/index.php?nav=Comic&Page=97
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Well, forget Flashcarts. The first DSi's are being leaked in Japan. Guess what? No flashcards work on them. At all. So for the moment, it looks like Homebrew on the DSi is going to be nonexistant.

At least until someone finds a way around it. But with the DSi store and it's ability to give constant firmware updates, it might be a bit more of a hassle. Still, it'll happen; it always does.

What does this mean for those of you not into homebrew? Unfortunately, it's not good news even if you could care less about homebrew. Whatever Nintendo's got going in the DSi, apparently some developers are complaining. Why? Apparently, some DS games currently in development won't work on the DSi, from what reports are saying.

This doesn't exactly bode well. It seems we can probably expect whatever they're using to combat piracy to screw with compatability with games for the previous DS iterations. In other words, we may end up with a decent amount of DS games not working on the DSi due to whatever locks they put in it.

Homebrew will eventually find a way around whatever Nintendo's doing - hell, every Wii firmware update is cracked within three days by this point - but the regular gamers, maybe not. Hopefully Nintendo will firmware update the DSi so that there aren't these problems by the US release, or I could see a bunch of gamers opting not to switch up. The advantages of bothering to get a DSi are minimal already; compatibility issues sure won't have any positive effect on sales. After all, this is more or less a very small update (and arguably even an update at all considering the loss of GBA functionality) of the current DS and not a full fledged sequel, so there's no reason to expect games not to work with it.
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