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Twilight Series; Twilight/New Moon/Eclipse/Breaking Dawn
Topic Started: Aug 2 2008, 05:45 PM (2,091 Views)
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The bloodshed came from Irina's brutal death, but I figured it would have been something like, "An eye for an eye". ONE of them should have died, and I say it should have been Aro. Aro is a B******!! But that would have turned into a full out slaughter, leaving few of the Cullen's AND the Volturri alive. If anything, the survivors would be Carlisle and MAYBE Bella. But other then them, no one else.

And I doubt ANY of us are CalislexBella shippers. :rolleyes:

You have just started a new ship. I bet you anything* that there will be a CarlislexBella fanbase starting up any day now.

*This does not actually require darktitan to take you up on a bet, nor does it require her to give you anything should the fanbase remain non-existant.

Actually, Carlisle/bella's been around for a while, now.

Aaaaaand, like I said. No surprise. -.-'

But yes, Dl, I'm sure there is someone completely stupid enough to ship a married Vampire, over decades old, with a young newborn vampire, ALSO newly married, and a new mom. People are THAT stupid.
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I've finally gotten to have the time to read Breaking Dawn since my student preps are so boring, I need something to do... so I finished it this week.
It was O.K. I sped through it and enjoyed it like I did with any other Twilight book. I laughed inside when Irina died (whut a bitch)
I wish it ended better though... my rating 3/5
My order of the Twilight series best to not so good:
1. Eclipse
2. Twilight
3. Breaking Dawn
4. New Moon
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Considering that this is the Twilight thread, I felt that it was appropriate to associate the movie along with it. And I'm sure every one knows my position on Breaking Dawn, and I must say this about the movie:







IT SAVED THE SERIES FOR ME. Oh my God, was that movie GOOD! Hoo my, the movie was spectacular. It stayed true to the book and had a nice balance of seriousness and humor. And a bonus, Stephenie Meyer made a cameo! She was in the diner, typing on her laptop! I TOTALLY LOL'D!!!!!!!!!

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IT SAVED THE SERIES FOR ME. Oh my God, was that movie GOOD! Hoo my, the movie was spectacular.

I've been hearing a lot of mixed things about it from fans. Some like it, some think it's a waste of an adaption and wish Stephanies series had gotten a better one. There are also a few people who think it wasn't bad, but feel it was rushed and could have used a bit more of a running time. Overall, it's far from unanimously praised; if anything, the negative opinions seem to outweigh the positive so far.

My sister is a fan of the books and wants to see the movie though, so I'll probably end up drug to the theaters. She really wants me to go; and since we haven't exactly had much in the way of positive interactions lately, part of me doesn't want to disappoint the kid. Despite the fact that Punisher War Zone hits theaters maybe two weeks later; and I'm far more interested in that.

I'm not going in with any expectations, however. I've seen the trailers and every time I just cringed. Just from what I've seen, the actors aren't putting any heart or real acting into their lines. It's almost like they're there just for a paycheck. I hate movies like that; it's bad acting.
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I only made it New Moon, then I lost interest. The only thing that grabbed me in was Jacob Black, and Meyers versions on Vampire Anatomy, thou interesting, still defies anything true to vampire nature.
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She really wants me to go; and since we haven't exactly had much in the way of positive interactions lately, part of me doesn't want to disappoint the kid. Despite the fact that Punisher War Zone hits theaters maybe two weeks later; and I'm far more interested in that.

Hmmm, vampire romance....ooooorrr Frank Castle going against biker gangs, street gangs, gunrunning militias, muggers, killers, rapists, psychopaths, violent racists,

*takes a few breaths*

sadists, pedophiles, thieves, and corrupt city officials while armed with every weapon known to mankind??? Such a hard choice. X3

heh heh, weapons, hehe. :epic:
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I know, right? How can wonton destruction possibly compare with vampire romance? I mean, seriously? XP

If Frank Castle ever took on vampires, he'd totally slaughter them all. He's just that badass.

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Meyers versions on Vampire Anatomy, thou interesting, still defies anything true to vampire nature.

To be fair, it isn't even just Stephanie Meyer. Vampires and Werewolves are mythical beasts who are often misused in fiction other than the originals. Nobody seems to truly understand the concept of either anymore.
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I am one of those that ADORES the movie, but it could have used a bit more running time. Like, the meadow scene should have gone on a bit longer, and I say that Alice needed a bit more screen time. But other than that, it was wonderful. I adored it and wanted to cry.
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Nov 22 2008, 06:41 PM
I know, right? How can wonton destruction possibly compare with vampire romance? I mean, seriously? XP

If Frank Castle ever took on vampires, he'd totally slaughter them all. He's just that badass.

Well, they vamps in the Marvel universe, so we don't really have to imagine that.
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To be fair, it isn't even just stephanie Meyer. Vampires and Werewolves are mythical beasts who are often misused in fiction other than the originals. Nobody seems to truly understand the concept of either anymore.

Meh, true. But even the BASIC concepts can still be indentified:

Vampires:
-walking dead
-have fangs
-drink blood from anyone or anything that's alive
-hate sun light

Werewolfs:
-transform in a full moon
-have a huge craving for fresh meat
-don't like silver
-has no control when in "werewolf mode"

Both:
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Well, yes. But that's if we're going with the most basic. Usually, movies and books tend to miss the point of both. Lately, vampires seem to be romanticized instead of the charming but vicious creatures they are (Dracula being the moist famous of this) and nobody seems to understand that the Werewolf curse is supposed to be that, a curse. After all, how often do we see the werewolf transformation used to be some sort of a boon instead of what it's supposed to be?

The last time I saw Werewolves portrayed properly was in Van Helsing, which was a rather mediocre movie.

It's kind of frustrating, really.

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Well, they vamps in the Marvel universe, so we don't really have to imagine that.

That's true, I suppose. I think that Frank's even gone against Morbius once or twice. But I don't think he's ever gone toe to toe with a legion of vampires before, however.

Batman and Superman have though. There's a mini going right now with this, in fact. Batman and Superman vs Werewolves and Vampires. XD

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Like, the meadow scene should have gone on a bit longer, and I say that Alice needed a bit more screen time.

Regarding Alice, she seems to be the one thing I keep seeing actually get praise. The meadow scene is a common complaint though among viewers. I have no idea what it is, myself, so I won't be able to compare.

I'm sure my sister will give me a full synopsis after we see it, however. :rolleyes:
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Vampires:
-walking dead
-have fangs
-drink blood from anyone or anything that's alive
-hate sun light

Werewolfs:
-transform in a full moon
-have a huge craving for fresh meat
-don't like silver
-has no control when in "werewolf mode"

Both:
EVIL

Meh. To be honest, I hated those kind of werewolves and vampires. They always annoyed me. I preferred the vamps with the retractable fangs and the choice to be good, rather than damned creatures destined to fall to hell. And my fave werewolves are those who can transform at will and can control it. Those goofy ass cliche vampires and werewolves got on my nerves, and I hated it.

Hollywood never portrayed many vampires as good, which is why I'm glad they made it into a movie.

And yes, Dl, I'm sure she will if she is an obsessed Twilight fan. XD
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Those goofy ass cliche vampires and werewolves got on my nerves, and I hated it.

Actually lil, believe it or not, the things you like in both are the one's that are the cliche's. They've been portrayed far too much like boons instead of negative afflictions. More like superpowers than a curse, which is not how it's supposed to be.

And if we were to go that route, we may as well give them superpowers at that point.

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Hollywood never portrayed many vampires as good, which is why I'm glad they made it into a movie.

You might like the Underworld films then lil, because it has a decent balance between good vampires and bad vampires. Though those films use too many of the Hollywood cliches of Vamps and Werewolves, they still got some other things right which helped ease my annoyance.

One of the things I liked in the first one was the internal conflicts among the vampire houses. You don't see much of that. Usually vampires work alone in films and if they didn't, there wasn't often a whole lot of dissention.

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And yes, Dl, I'm sure she will if she is an obsessed Twilight fan. XD

She is. Honestly? I'm just glad to see her reading in some capacity. Whether it's cheesy romance or whatever. It's nice to see.

I'm not much of a big reader either, to be honest. The last novel I recall reading was Dance of Death, by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child.
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After all, how often do we see the werewolf transformation used to be some sort of a boon instead of what it's supposed to be?

Well, there's Blood and Chocolate and then there's Skinwalkers. Course, those werewolfs are just "vegans" rather then people who embrace Lycanthropy. Thou I do enjoy the native american legends of the the werewolf rather then the classical european beliefs.

I'm just glad what w're getting the Wolfman again next spring.
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You might like the Underworld films then lil, because it has a decent balance between good vampires and bad vampires. Though those films use too many of the Hollywood cliches of Vamps and Werewolves, they still got some other things right which helped ease my annoyance.

I've basically come to think that that's the reason I'm not too much into the Twlight series. I mean, vampires vs werewolfs has been done long before Meyers. Even the Van Helsing movie did a little patch on that. Compared to any of those wars, Twlight (as interesting and entertaining as it is), just seems like a PG-13 goin against an R.
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I'm not much of a big reader either, to be honest. The last novel I recall reading was Dance of Death, by Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child.

*thinking* Why does that book ring a bell???
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Actually lil, believe it or not, the things you like in both are the one's that are the cliche's. They've been portrayed far too much like boons instead of negative afflictions. More like superpowers than a curse, which is not how it's supposed to be.

And if we were to go that route, we may as well give them superpowers at that point.

All vampire and werewolf stories are cliche. I've yet to see one that isn't in the least cliche. No one knows how to make 'em. XD
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Compared to any of those wars, Twlight (as interesting and entertaining as it is), just seems like a PG-13 goin against an R.

Underworld was the most entertaining war of sorts that I've seen with vampires and werewolves. Honestly, I felt like film and even books haven't quite lived up to the potential inherant in such a war. It never feels vicious or brutal enough. Which is what I feel tends to hold them back.

Like I said, Underworld came the closest, even if it did have it's problems.

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*thinking* Why does that book ring a bell???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dance_of_Death_(novel)

It's this one. Second in a trilogy focusing on Agent Pendergast's family, which we had gotten hints of the long history of in previous books. The first book was Brimstone and the last book in the trilogy was Book of the Dead.

I've still got to read Book of the Dead, now that I remember. I was going to, then I somehow got sidetracked and forgot about it. Time to visit the library then.

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All vampire and werewolf stories are cliche. I've yet to see one that isn't in the least cliche. No one knows how to make 'em. XD

I'll agree with you for the most part there lil. Werewolves have generally fared the worst in this respect. Hopefully we'll eventually get that classic werewolf flick I've been hoping for. For the moment, however, it seems just out of reach.
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Like, the meadow scene should have gone on a bit longer,


Any more, and they'd have blinded the audience with Sparkly Edward.

Christ. I've ranted about my hatred for Twilight long enough. The reasons for and why are many and varied, and I'll restate them sometime after Starcraft is installed on my computer again, at which point, I will be happy.

Of Twilight, I'll say but this: my girlfriend told me that after reading it, she had a mini nervous breakdown and began searching all over her house for the plot--under beds, cushions, in cabinets, etc.

That is all.
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