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Twilight Series; Twilight/New Moon/Eclipse/Breaking Dawn
Topic Started: Aug 2 2008, 05:45 PM (2,092 Views)
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Aug 6 2008, 09:38 AM
You people are a major buzzkill.

She wasn't a no-no. She was a living, breathing half-human that could GROW and DEVELOP. Not a bloodthirsty, ravenous little vampire who couldn't be tamed.

Just realized this one. Hee, it was posted a while ago, but still...

This made me realized that Renesmee is a MAJOR MARY SUE! Omg, she can talk already! Everybody loves her! She can control her bloodlust! Hooray! Happily ever after!

And the Volturi FRICKEN RUN AWAY. WTF. Seriously. When will people get through their heads that Mary Sues and Gary Stus are REALLY ANNOYING?!

Actually, Bella's a Mary Sue now, too. She can control her bloodlust too! What an amazingly beautiful creature!

EDIT: Oh, and btw, Bella's also a shield! And she can save everyone! Hooray!

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In all honesty, I didn't think "Breaking Dawn" was THAT bad, considering that Stephenie had a few deadlines she had to meet. She even says in an interview somewhere that she had to finish "The Host" AND "Breaking Dawn" all in one year, just to meet a deadline. Stephenie had to juggle writing these two books, and playing Mom, and helping out with the "Twilight" movie. I'd say she did a pretty d*** good job with the time she had to write it.

Though I do admit, it COULD have been a lot better, and it wasn't her best, but she tried her hardest just to finish it. So sorry for saying this, and I hope I don't offend anyone, but I think y'all are being a little unfair. Seriously, if you had two deadlines to meet, had to play Mom and Wife, juggle interviews, and help with a movie, how well do you think a book will turn out?

Yes, yes I know and agree, the Volturi leaving was totally uncalled for, and the characters between Renesmee and Bella could have been developed a bit more. But I can understand Bella having control over her blood lust. As a human, she was sickened by the thought of blood. So it didn't really surprise me that she could control it, especially since she didn't want to hurt anyone.

I thought Renesmee was okay, and I understand her being able to talk to quickly, etc, considering that vampire hybrids grow exceptionally fast. Her blood lust can be controlled because of her human side. If she wanted to, she could live on just human food, so I understand her blood lust being easy enough to control.

All in all, the book was predictable, but pretty d*** good, considering the time limit Stephenie had, and all the **** she had to deal with while writing this book. It could have been better, but...*shrug* Meh, kudos to Stephenie for working so hard to come out with the best book as she possibly could.

I can't say I was bored while I read it, thats for sure.

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Well, she should have done the responsible thing and said to her publisher, "Hey. There's a lot going on right now and I don't think I can finish in time." instead of rushing to write an ending that sucked.

But that's just my opinion. ^^

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Aug 30 2008, 07:31 PM
Well, she should have done the responsible thing and said to her publisher, "Hey.  There's a lot going on right now and I don't think I can finish in time." instead of rushing to write an ending that sucked.

But that's just my opinion. ^^

It seems like it should be that simple, but really, things are a whole lot more complicated than that. A deadline's a deadline; when one is made, you're expected to hold to it, no matter what is happening in your personal life. If you don't credibility is always lost in some way; and in the case of any other profession you run the risk of being fired.

For a writer, especially if it's one who's livelihood is writing books, that is simply not an option. Sometimes, what the responsible choice is and what is necessary are two completely seperate things.

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Seriously, if you had two deadlines to meet, had to play Mom and Wife, juggle interviews, and help with a movie, how well do you think a book will turn out?

And on the other hand over here, that's all fine, well and good, but the reality here is that she should not have signed on to so many things at once; especially when you consider being a parent is already a full time job as it is. It's a sad truth that far too many of us stretch ourselves too thin thinking we can do more than we're capable of. In said way, we end up making our own bed. In the case of someone like a writer, their product can very often suffer as a result; often in horribly noticable ways.

I really can't believe she let herself get into such a situation to begin with. She should be cut some slack for all that was on her plate, for sure, but absolution of blame is pretty much impossible.
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I really can't believe she let herself get into such a situation to begin with. She should be cut some slack for all that was on her plate, for sure, but absolution of blame is pretty much impossible.

I agree with that. I don't usually play the blame game, either way, and I'm a pretty simple minded person. I can read even a really bad fanfic, and not be bothered, so long as the grammar is good. So, all in all, I rather liked the book. And I preferred that our Vamps and Werewolves(Shapeshifters. Haha, I laughed at that one) were able to STAY ALIVE at the end, though I admit it would have been a good plot twist.

But, often, we all make the mistake by taking too much onto our plate. She learned from this in the end. But now, thanks to some idiot who took Stephenie's work and posted it on the internet, we can't even look forward to "Midnight Sun", 'cause she stopped writing it. *kicks the stupid people*

She DID answer the question as to why the Volturri didn't get a fight, though. I think most of the book was entirely planned, especially the outcome.

Read it, friend. Arm yourselves with knowledge.

This certainly answered MY questions. *nodnod*
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But, often, we all make the mistake by taking too much onto our plate.

This is true. But still, I'm kind of baffled at her workload. I mean, really, half of those things at once, I could understand, but I don't get why she would sign up on all of that at once. When you look at that, you know there's no way you can do all of that at once without your work suffering.

I'm just confused as to how she got herself in such a situation. It seems so odd. I mean, each of those things is something that practically requires your full attention as it is.

I don't read the books or anything, but I would be interested in reading about how she got into such a mess if she ever talks about it in an interview. I'm curious now.
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Bah. I looked at the FAQ. Okay, first of all, Steph, there should have been some bloodshed. I don't see how she comes up with 90% casualty. That's very strange. Anyhoo, it's really lame how she pretty much gave the fans what they wanted. It just hastily tied up some loose strings and ended up turning out very badly. Once again, my opinion. ^^

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Bah. I looked at the FAQ. Okay, first of all, Steph, there should have been some bloodshed. I don't see how she comes up with 90% casualty. That's very strange. Anyhoo, it's really lame how she pretty much gave the fans what they wanted. It just hastily tied up some loose strings and ended up turning out very badly. Once again, my opinion. ^^

Well, I can imaging that 90% of both sides being destroyed in that battle. The Volturri is supposed to be an UNSTOPPABLE force of nature, even Bella's shield wouldn't do much. So I can see how she comes up with THAT outcome. The Cullen's may be strong, but they ain't THAT strong.

The bloodshed came from Irina's brutal death, but I figured it would have been something like, "An eye for an eye". ONE of them should have died, and I say it should have been Aro. Aro is a B******!! But that would have turned into a full out slaughter, leaving few of the Cullen's AND the Volturri alive. If anything, the survivors would be Carlisle and MAYBE Bella. But other then them, no one else.

And I doubt ANY of us are CalislexBella shippers. :rolleyes:

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I'm just confused as to how she got herself in such a situation. It seems so odd. I mean, each of those things is something that practically requires your full attention as it is.

I don't read the books or anything, but I would be interested in reading about how she got into such a mess if she ever talks about it in an interview. I'm curious now.


And I understand that Dl-Sama. But, who knows? Maybe she thought she was SUPER WOMAN! DUN DUN DUN DUUUUUNN!! XDD Naaah, I doubt it.

Maybe it wasn't HER choice and, rather, she was forced into it by her editors and publishers, etc. I'm sure "The Host" had a deadline, too. And then Stephenie couldn't skip out on her interviews or helping with the movie. Its HER book! She would want to make sure the movie is going like she wrote. *shrug*

I dunno. Maybe I understand it more than others, since I tend to do the same things she does? But then again, I don't understand crap. So I just come up with every possible solution until I DO understand. XD
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Sep 1 2008, 08:42 PM
Well, I can imaging that 90% of both sides being destroyed in that battle. The Volturri is supposed to be an UNSTOPPABLE force of nature, even Bella's shield wouldn't do much. So I can see how she comes up with THAT outcome. The Cullen's may be strong, but they ain't THAT strong.

The bloodshed came from Irina's brutal death, but I figured it would have been something like, "An eye for an eye". ONE of them should have died, and I say it should have been Aro. Aro is a B******!! But that would have turned into a full out slaughter, leaving few of the Cullen's AND the Volturri alive. If anything, the survivors would be Carlisle and MAYBE Bella. But other then them, no one else.

And I doubt ANY of us are CalislexBella shippers. :rolleyes:

Lol, you said "CarlislexBella shipper." XD

Yes, one of them should have died. But I say a Cullen should have died. Much more dramatic. Like Rosalie? Or Renesmee? *evil grin*

And I still doubt the 90% ratio. Come on. The Volturi hesitated in the first place because of all of the people the Cullens had on their side. I think with all of those people and their abilites, they would have overpowered the Volturi. Not easily, of course. It would require careful precision, which they had been preparing for.

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And I understand that Dl-Sama. But, who knows? Maybe she thought she was SUPER WOMAN! DUN DUN DUN DUUUUUNN!! XDD Naaah, I doubt it.

Maybe it wasn't HER choice and, rather, she was forced into it by her editors and publishers, etc. I'm sure "The Host" had a deadline, too. And then Stephenie couldn't skip out on her interviews or helping with the movie. Its HER book! She would want to make sure the movie is going like she wrote. *shrug*

I dunno. Maybe I understand it more than others, since I tend to do the same things she does? But then again, I don't understand crap. So I just come up with every possible solution until I DO understand. XD

That's not impossible, I suppose. She probably had to pitch the books before she would recieve a deadline though, which also adds to the questions behind such a workload. I know novel writers like Brad Meltzer make a point to wait until they have a book done before they do anything else (Brad Meltzer likes to do some comic projects in between novels).

Of course, it's completely possible that such never started out as it did and just snowballed into something bigger. She could easily have pitched the Twilight sequel and got the deadlin there, then thought she could do the second book too and got that deadline, then interviewers ate up her time and she was approached to help with the movie after. Situations like that, one thing piling after another, tend to happen to us all far too often.

If that's what happened, I can't really begrudge her for feeling like she needed to take part in the movie. I mean, if I had something that was going to be adapted into film, you can be damn sure I'd be taking a part in it. In actuality, if it just became one thing after another, I would end up feeling sorry for her.

It's an interesting situation, to say the least.
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The bloodshed came from Irina's brutal death, but I figured it would have been something like, "An eye for an eye". ONE of them should have died, and I say it should have been Aro. Aro is a B******!! But that would have turned into a full out slaughter, leaving few of the Cullen's AND the Volturri alive. If anything, the survivors would be Carlisle and MAYBE Bella. But other then them, no one else.

And I doubt ANY of us are CalislexBella shippers. :rolleyes:

You have just started a new ship. I bet you anything* that there will be a CarlislexBella fanbase starting up any day now.

*This does not actually require darktitan to take you up on a bet, nor does it require her to give you anything should the fanbase remain non-existant.
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And I still doubt the 90% ratio. Come on. The Volturi hesitated in the first place because of all of the people the Cullens had on their side. I think with all of those people and their abilites, they would have overpowered the Volturi. Not easily, of course. It would require careful precision, which they had been preparing for.


They hesitated because, yes, each vampire had power. But no one would really be able to stand much of a chance against the twins. They'd have to spend most of their time protecting Bella, who would undoubtedly be targeted first. One strike to her, and she loses her concentration, then everyone is dead. Half would be on the ground, writhing in pain, while the other half sit there, motionless, staring blankly at the Volturri, 'cause they'd be unable to see, hear or speak.

Bella would have to fight alone and, though she is strong and a new born, wouldn't really stand much a chance. Edward, before being killed, would have taken out Demetri, while the others take out one or two of the guards. No matter, 'cause they'd all be dead in the end, anyway. Bella would fight and, maybe, get ONE person killed, before dying herself.

I only said that I presumed she and Carlisle would survive is because Carlisle has had more experience in dealing with the Volturri, and would have been able to escape. Bella, only because of her shield, which she can't keep up forever. The book can end a number of ways.

But if they had fought the Volturri, there is no doubt the book would have ended in tragedy.

And she wouldn't bring Nessie-Chan to life in her book, only to destroy her so brutally in the end. It would have made the book entirely pointless, leaving and extremely depressed and emo, Vampire Bella.


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Of course, it's completely possible that such never started out as it did and just snowballed into something bigger. She could easily have pitched the Twilight sequel and got the deadline there, then thought she could do the second book too and got that deadline, then interviewers ate up her time and she was approached to help with the movie after. Situations like that, one thing piling after another, tend to happen to us all far too often.


Only way to really find out is to some how get in touch with Stephenie Meyer and ask her. I've just been watching the interviews on her site. She had expected people to take the book negatively, either way, because of how she decided to end the book. *shrug*

But maybe you'll be able to find that answer somewhere on her site, since I'm too lazy to look myself. XD


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Oh, that really wouldn't surprise me. People are idiots, now-a-days. XD
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And I still doubt the 90% ratio. Come on. The Volturi hesitated in the first place because of all of the people the Cullens had on their side. I think with all of those people and their abilites, they would have overpowered the Volturi. Not easily, of course. It would require careful precision, which they had been preparing for.


They hesitated because, yes, each vampire had power. But no one would really be able to stand much of a chance against the twins. They'd have to spend most of their time protecting Bella, who would undoubtedly be targeted first. One strike to her, and she loses her concentration, then everyone is dead. Half would be on the ground, writhing in pain, while the other half sit there, motionless, staring blankly at the Volturri, 'cause they'd be unable to see, hear or speak.

Bella would have to fight alone and, though she is strong and a new born, wouldn't really stand much a chance. Edward, before being killed, would have taken out Demetri, while the others take out one or two of the guards. No matter, 'cause they'd all be dead in the end, anyway. Bella would fight and, maybe, get ONE person killed, before dying herself.

I only said that I presumed she and Carlisle would survive is because Carlisle has had more experience in dealing with the Volturri, and would have been able to escape. Bella, only because of her shield, which she can't keep up forever. The book can end a number of ways.

But if they had fought the Volturri, there is no doubt the book would have ended in tragedy.

And she wouldn't bring Nessie-Chan to life in her book, only to destroy her so brutally in the end. It would have made the book entirely pointless, leaving and extremely depressed and emo, Vampire Bella.

I'd like to see an extremely emo and depressed Bella. ^^

Ah, twins. Like Rin and Len. XD I enjoy finding Vocaloid reference in everything (that and FMA, but err buddy know the reference thar. Once again, lol.)

Still. I'd like to see a prevailing fight. Like in Harry potter.

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The bloodshed came from Irina's brutal death, but I figured it would have been something like, "An eye for an eye". ONE of them should have died, and I say it should have been Aro. Aro is a B******!! But that would have turned into a full out slaughter, leaving few of the Cullen's AND the Volturri alive. If anything, the survivors would be Carlisle and MAYBE Bella. But other then them, no one else.

And I doubt ANY of us are CalislexBella shippers. :rolleyes:

You have just started a new ship. I bet you anything* that there will be a CarlislexBella fanbase starting up any day now.

*This does not actually require darktitan to take you up on a bet, nor does it require her to give you anything should the fanbase remain non-existant.

Actually, Carlisle/bella's been around for a while, now.

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Heh. No pairing, however nuts, is nonexistant. If you can think of it, there's probably someone out there who actually ships it.
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