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| frungus | Jul 6 2008, 03:03 PM Post #181 |
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Well, surely Teen Titans or Batman have to take place on earth right? |
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| SoniCalvin | Jul 6 2008, 03:14 PM Post #182 |
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Yes, but it is not on OUR Earth, like you said. It is on a different Earth, in the land of comics and other forms of media, not on our Earth. So therefore, Jump City and Gotham City are not real cities, and they do not exist on our Earth, they only exist in fiction. Do not speak unless you know what you're talking about. And while I'm at it, if the DC Comics universe has absolutely nothing to do with Sonic, THEN DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT IN A SONIC THREAD!!! |
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| dl316bh | Jul 6 2008, 05:31 PM Post #183 |
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As much as I love talking about DC Comics, I'm going to have to agree with Soni on this one Frungus. Normally, I'd tell him to calm down, but I can see why he's geting frustrated. I'm having a difficult time trying to make out what exactly it is you're trying to say myself.
I've always personally carried the theory that most of Sonics adventures pre-Adventure took place over a three year period. I use Amy for this. She looked to be about eleven or twelve when we first met her in Sonic CD, which was very near the start of Sonics career. Then we come to Adventure, which is her second major appearance, and she appears to be older, I've estimated by a few years. Three years is far more plausible a timespace for Sonic to have as many adventures as he has, as well, than simply one year. Looking at everything in a semblance of order, we have Sonic, Sonic CD, Sonic 2, Sonic Chaos, Sonic Spinball, Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Sonic 3D Blast, Sonic Triple Trouble and finally Sonic Adventure at the end of it all. Not counting any side adventures he may have had, that's a hell of a tall order to try and spread across one year, but my own three year theory seems far more natural; an adventure every couple of months. Also, Sonic looked different in the pre-Adventure games than he does now. My answer? He also matured, like Amy. He was younger then and he got older, getting sleeker along with some longer and slicker looking spines. |
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| SoniCalvin | Jul 6 2008, 05:56 PM Post #184 |
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That theory is... actually really plausible, if you ignore the characters who had their ages switched around. Okay yeah, I think I might have to go with your theory. The pre-Adventure characters did look younger before Adventure. I think the only characters with known ages before Sonic Adventure was released were Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Vector, Espio, and Charmy. Sonic = 16 Tails = 8 Amy = 8 Knuckles = 15 Vector = 16 Espio = 17 Charmy = 16 And then, with the newer generation of Sonic games came the age switches. Sonic = 15 Tails = 8 Amy = 12 Knuckles = 16 Vector = 20 Espio = 16 Charmy = 6 As you can see, Tails was the only one who kept his age. How can a guy actually lose a year like Sonic? It doesn't make sense, so I'm gonna have to go with your theory and say that the characters simply looked and were younger in the pre-Adventure games, meaning that Sonic must've been around 12 when he first came into the picture, and Sonic 1 must've taken place in the year 2005. Yes, I still think there's a year, judging by Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games. Plus, consider the technology that people like Eggman came up with. Tails, of course, was a lot younger than Sonic when they first met on Westside Island, and he still is younger than him. And the rest of them... whatever, you get it, they were younger in the pre-Adventure games. Now, I've gotta wonder something. Since Mario and Sonic apparently share the same universe, don't you think the Mario characters would've aged in a three-year time period as well? Well, when you look at Mario's sprites from Super Mario World, or some official character art from the NES/SNES days... yyyyeahhh... not so much. |
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| dl316bh | Jul 6 2008, 06:17 PM Post #185 |
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Mario's already an adult, so there's little we would see in three years that would be reflected in sprites. Figure he's maybe in his early thirties, considering the overall fat plumber look. So it still works. On the age discrepancies, I simply go by the newer ages or estimate everything. Back in the old days, game manuals or anything that ever gave such information were never reliable at all. Remember Sonic CD's manual? It had Amy listed as Sally in a vain attempt at a tie in to the cartoon, despite the fact that the two were completely different species. So taking the old ages at face value is not a smart plan, I've learned. |
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| SoniCalvin | Jul 6 2008, 06:31 PM Post #186 |
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And Peach is HOW old now?!? It's a given that official sources in the older generation of Sonic games weren't that reliable, but let's not forget that the whole Amy/Sally ordeal was just a pathetic attempt to tie Sonic CD in to SatAM, they were two completely different characters. The ages seemed official back then. There was an old, official History of Sonic video that was probably in Sonic Jam, listing Sonic's, Tails', and Knuckles' old ages. Plus, the Japanese Chaotix manuals listed Vector's age as 16 and Espio's age as 17, while the English Chaotix manual listed Charmy's age as 16. Charmy's age may not have been that official, because the Japanese Chaotix manual never listed his age, so Sega of America probably had to make an estimate. |
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| dl316bh | Jul 6 2008, 06:37 PM Post #187 |
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Well, company's stances change. At which point it comes to the fans to make workable theories. Thankfully, I'm often up to the task. Castlevania had a similar continuity restructuring. For the longest time, every Castlevania game was considered canon. Recently, some were taken out of it and years were restructured a bit. Super Castlevania 4, originally to be a remake of the original Castlevania, was reinstated as what it was intended instead of the sequel it was marketed as in America. The Game Boy games were also removed. Companies do this sort of thing quite a bit. You just have to know how to roll with it. |
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| SoniCalvin | Jul 6 2008, 06:45 PM Post #188 |
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Well that's easy enough, I do that with a lot of the aspects of the Sonic series all the time. But I'm baffled with a lot of stuff revolving around Blaze, Eggman Nega, and Silver. That's the only thing Sega has me at. And I wish they'd resolve all that in a future game. Does Blaze come from an alternate dimension, or does she live with Silver in the future? Is Eggman Nega an alternate dimensional counterpart of Eggman, or Eggman's descendant? Ugh. Going with your three-year theory, you think you could whip up some sort of timeline as to which adventure occurred first, and what happened next, and whatever? You know, this happened here in 2005, then this in 2006, and whatever? |
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| dl316bh | Jul 6 2008, 07:59 PM Post #189 |
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I could probably whip something up in the form of a timeline. Pinning down exact dates is impossible, but thinking in the general sense of years is easy enough. Do you want to do it with the years (2005, etc.) or use a sliding timescale?
With luck, they will. I don't think they really gave much thought for many of these characters when creating them. They intended to use them for different portions of a storyline, but never reconciled where they came from or any true origins. This is why continuity of late can get a bit murky; because of 2K6. |
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| SoniCalvin | Jul 6 2008, 08:16 PM Post #190 |
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Probably best to do it with the years. Specifically beginning with 2005, because as I've stated before, Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games got me into thinking that some of Sonic's more recent adventures took place in 2008.
Yes, 2K6 is definitely where storyline canon got a bit mixed up. At first, with Blaze's presence in the game, I thought, "Oh, well... maybe Sonic Team just did a little story reset, I guess Blaze comes from the future." Sonic Rivals 1 had me thinking the same thing for Eggman Nega. But then Sonic Rush Adventure came in, and it tells me that Blaze and Eggman Nega comes from an alternate dimension. Sonic Rivals 2 didn't help matters, because it goes back to saying that Eggman Nega comes from the future. Again, ugh. One interesting thing I can gather out of all of this is the year Silver lives in. Apparently, 200 years in the future, Silver isn't the only telekinetic around. Apparently, a lot of other people in the future are telekinetics. This would be an interesting subject to dive into if Sega would take the time to sort out the storyline canon. |
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| dl316bh | Jul 6 2008, 08:21 PM Post #191 |
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Hmm. Continuity would probably be much clearer if we were to remove the recent portable games from the equation. For the most part, they've made things just plain murky. For the purposes of continuity, I reccomend that from Adventure onwards, we only count the main console games. That should clear it up. |
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| SoniCalvin | Jul 6 2008, 08:25 PM Post #192 |
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Meh. But I have a sneaking suspicion that the stories of Sonic Advance 1 and 2 take place before Adventure, because Eggman's plots in those two games were a lot simpler than summoning a monster of destruction. But uh... whatever works. |
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| dl316bh | Jul 6 2008, 08:45 PM Post #193 |
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It's not really easy to reconcile all of the portable games from Advance onwards. With the past, it's easy enough. The earlier portable adventures, I'm thinking of the two main Game Gear titles, were generally varied and good enough that they fit in snug within continuity. Lately, however, it seems like the portable games just give a lot of difficulty. The Rush subseries and Rivals, in particular. Some of the elements of Advance don't always jive well either with the tone of their larger cousins. When I do this little timeline thing, I'm going to pick and choose what I think fits in continuity, just so you know. So if I think any of the Advances work, I'll roll with them in too. I don't think the Rushes or Rivals really fits though. |
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| SoniCalvin | Jul 6 2008, 08:48 PM Post #194 |
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So what do you think about titles like Rush, or Rivals, or heck, even Riders or Secret Rings? Are they just minor adventures that Sonic sort of just... y'know, went through whenever? |
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| dl316bh | Jul 6 2008, 08:51 PM Post #195 |
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Of those, I only count Secret Rings. It's sort of a side story game, but it doesn't really clash with anything and fits in fine wherever you want to put it. Rivals and Rush, as we've discussed, just cause problems. And the Riders series is one of those side things that really has no bearing on anything other than being a diversion of sorts, like Sonic Shuffle. |
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