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Article: Why BB and Raven
Topic Started: Aug 4 2006, 03:18 PM (1,212 Views)
Lizard-Man
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Dl, you can't compare Sora/Riku to Starfire/Raven.

Sora/Riku is a literal plague on humanity.


Perhaps, still doesn't change the fact that there are still people who think Starfire and Rae are gay. Its impossible to imagine that the idea has any feasible evidence. It was made up by horny teen boys, period.

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Also, I think AS Raven could be bi-curious. You never know.


Rigggghhhhtt...AL do you sit around and just think these up, cause your not alone I do it at times to. Like for example that new story I made up. You might like it AL, it has CANON lesbians. Those are ships I can tolerate. You can find it here. Please Review if you want:

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3087812/1/

I don't know what possessed me to that. I think it was because despite the fact that Brain/Mallah is canon in the comics no one has touched it. Probably because its sick and wrong.

I was friendly with the Slash shippers? Considering I called them horny losers who write OOC fanfiction and their reasons for doing so are rather sad a pathetic I can't see how I was nice. If I had more time I would have done an even bigger page on StarxRae, but I believe after a paragraph I made my point.

Not all ridiculous ships are wrong for me. Mostly just slash ships that have no basis in the canon. I remind myself that Raven and Jericho did go out for a time in the comics, even though Jericho ended up as an evil traitor. Still, he was a cool character. If they did a sixth season they probably would have revealed that he was Slade's kid.

I make fun of SpeedyxAqualad whenever I get the chance. I know Aqualad isn't gay, but I get the feeling everyone around him thinks he is. That and he was a sucky sidekick. There is no worse sidekick then Aqualad, he's basically just a clone of Aqualad. And that hero has been downhill ever since they changed his costume. I hate that stupid mullet!

your right about those SladexRae shippers, I shudder too. I can probably understand Slade/Terra shippers...since the comics did have a strange romance between the two. I don't read them however. I'm firmly against pedophillia Fanfics.

If I could change something I did with this article it would be that I saved my explanation for why I like BB/Rae at the end with only one paragraph. The full explanation would be that Beastboy and Raven just clicks for me. Ying and Yang, perfect balance and all that. It works for me because I just can't see Beastboy with anyone else and the same goes for Raven. They deserve each other after all they went through. And deep down I know that Raven secretly likes him. I would have done this in the article, but then it would sound too much like a post then a serious editorial. so thats why its here.

I hope I inspire other people to write about something with the Titans. And once again I'm glad you all liked it.
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Actually Lizard Man, to keep things clear Jericho and Raven never went out in the comics. Actually, you may be surprised to hear this, but Jericho was LITERALLY a ladies man. He was with all kinds of girls while he was alive and it was pretty clear what they were... doing...

But Jericho and Raven did have what I would suppose you could call a close friendship. But no, they never went out. They had a few moments, but nothing serious.

Just clarifying that.

Finally, to be honest, if Marv had kept control of the characters, i think he would have intended for Raven to remain alone for all her life, which I think is crap, because the girl has had enough bad things in her life. She doesn't need to eb alone for the whole thing. Evidence kinda pushes towards the fact that even if Jericho hadn't gone traitor it wouldn't have worked out anyways. I dunno. It seems like Marv just didn't want her to have a succsessful relationship.

Yeah, any lesbian ship that is not canon and has no evidence was made by horny teenage boys, end of discussion. It's why I can't tolerate them either. Canon, fine. Tolerable. Not, then be horny somewhere else, like in your fantasy's, is what I say to those people.
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Actually Lizard Man, to keep things clear Jericho and Raven never went out in the comics. Actually, you may be surprised to hear this, but Jericho was LITERALLY a ladies man. He was with all kinds of girls while he was alive and it was pretty clear what they were... doing...


Checkers, right?

What if you choose to write something completely seperate from cannon? Couldn't you include all kinds of stupid random pairings, like...Adonis/Terra, or Beast Boy/Melvin?

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I suppose, but it would literally be impossible for anyone to take it seriously and then it would be wrote off as a butchery.

Tis the way things work. Thats what fanfictions do anyways. None of it is canon. It IS seperate from the canon, even if you choose to use what happened in the canon.

So, basically, Maybe and yet at the same time not really al.

And no. It sure as hell wasn't checkers (and before you say it, not chess either, as it was more up your line of thinking al and what you LOVE to think about).
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Oh, so it was Scrabble then?
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I liked what I read, I feel the same way about slash ships, but if they want to support them I won't stop them, but still... :scared: That's just my opinion.
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Okay perhaps this starting to seem like a Slash basher thread. So I'm gonna lead it away from slash by just saying it won't happen and its all a delusion made up by crazed fangirls and horny fanboys.

Instead I'll mention some smaller less popular ships that i left out because...well...no one cares.

MalxRae: I left this out because the people who still believe in this are OOC fanfic writers. Malchior was an evil dragon, nothing is going to change that fact. If Raven was stupid enough to actually trust Malchior and start up another relationship with him then she wouldn't be Raven. This ship was dead after one episode.

RorekxRae: This guy is dead! He's been dead for countless years, chances are he probably wasn't anything like Malchior pretended to be. What the hell does Rorek have that Beastboy doesn't it? Oh thats right, a coffin...because Rorek is dead! This ship doesn't even exist in the canon! Hell Rorek never even met her! God this is stupid.

SladexRae: I'm fervently against pedophillia, although I think Slade is a pedophile in both Comics and TV I know for sure Raven isn't attracted to him. That and I find it just plain disgusting.

RedX/Rae: I never understood this ship. I think its for people who don't like either BB or Robin and just think X is the next best thing. I never saw once example of Raven and Red X flirting. The closest there was to any sort of interaction was when Raven got knocked to the ground by him and then X looked like he was going to finish her off. Yeah, real romantic.

CyxRae: Biggest. Joke Ship. Ever. People who actually think this is real are morons, not only has neither shown any form of attraction to each other, forget that they have no actual chemistry, forget that they don't spend as much time together, but Cyborg never even dated her in the comics! In fact he apparently had some sorta thing going on with Sarah. She ran a disabled kids hospital which had a lot of kids with missing hands. I don't see any reason that this ship should exist.

Jericho/Rae: Kaiser hasn't been on in months so I feel maybe I have some freedom to say this without hurting his feelings too much. As DL said, they were apparently were just good friends. Although I haven't seen the comics all too much, so I mistook the scenes that I saw as a relationship. Doesn't matter, poor Jericho ended up a traitor and died. So much for such a beloved character. I know a lot of people like him, including Frungus. And he does have cool powers, I wish we got to see more of him.

BBxKole: I only saw one fanfic for it, so its a joke ship. I just thought I'd mention it because I needed to give Beastboy some stuff here.

BBxStar: This ship ain't horrible, but I don't really support it. Mainly because in the comics Beastboy never went more further then flirting with her and Star only laughed back at it all. Besides, it ticks off Robin somewhat. I know it has a few supporters, but not many of them are left. Some just like the idea of it and not the ship itself and they certainly know it won't happen.

I didn't mention any of these ships in the article because not many people actually support them and they never had a large following anyway.
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One of the main problems is that some ships spring from the smallest bit of evidence, romantic or not. Like one you just stated, some don't even have any evidence.

With Cyborg and Rae, it was not even TOO close a friendship in the comics. She related to him a couple times and he treated her all right, but it was never anything romantic and they were never that close. Actually, Jericho and Rae had less moments then that. The ship got it's supporters mainly because most people who watched the show never heard of the comics and just decided to slap her with the last remaining Titan who hadn't been "paired off", mind you, we know how BBxTerra ended up, even if the whole thing was butchered, so BB wasn't really "paired off".

On Jericho and Raven, Jericho was a very nice guy and a cool character, but from what I had seen he never really took women or relationships seriously, what with him being with a different girl every issue or so. Thats and... I don't know, they had "moments", but not THAT many and I never really saw anything there. That's just me though. It's not a completely ridiculous ship like others are, but I've never really seen anything. Though it's not like it matters anyways. Jericho is dead.

And truthfully, I'd rather he stayed that way, because I just want some characters who died to stay that way. I'm getting a little sick of ressurections of late, so I say keep them dead.
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I just want to say that I'm sorry about calling Cy/Rae fans morons and Rorek/Rae fans stupid and Slade/Rae fans disgusting. It was totally out of line for me to attack the people who actually ship the ships. I can't take back what I said but I can offer this as an apology.

The lesser shippers mentioned in my previous post aren't idiots or morons or any form of word that describes them as dumb. What I said was rather offensive and I apologize for that. I guess at times I have a real big mouth and I can't control it. They lesser shippers above have their own opnions about it all. I just can't seem to understand your couples because unlike RobxRae, BBxRae and BBxT, they don't really have any evidence. I am sorry if you were offended and I didn't mean to do so. Please accept my humble apologies.

In response to what DL said about Jericho, chances are Slade will kill him again if he does come back. I remeber that scene with Slade at Wintergreen's grave, telling his son he was going make sure Jericho stayed dead. So if you're worried about Jericho coming back, just hope Slade has his sword handy.

You're right, some characters should stay dead.
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Aug 7 2006, 07:51 PM
I just want to say that I'm sorry about calling Cy/Rae fans morons and Rorek/Rae fans stupid and Slade/Rae fans disgusting. It was totally out of line for me to attack the people who actually ship the ships. I can't take back what I said but I can offer this as an apology.

Actually, you CAN edit your post LM.
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Well if I edited I'd be denying what I said ever happened. I think an apology is slightly better then just denying I said something wrong. I can make mistakes too you know.
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Yep. You may eat carrion, but you're not a lying mutant genetic abomination.
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Yes, that exactly it. I mean do I even remotely resemble the mythological creature that supposedly resides in the swamps of Georgia? And even if I was how could I possibly get a computer to work out here in the swamp. Which is not where I live. And if I did lie then I'd be a terrible liar because whenever I talk about this my mouth runs off and I start saying incriminating things such as what I have just written. Not a genetic mutant abomination. Human, totally human. And carrion can be any dead animal right?

(Seriously, I just love messing with you guys about my species, at least until I finally show my face. But I really am human I swear.)
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Well first of all I want to state that it was well researched and well written. Almost free of any mistakes. Second,ly I liked how you went into everyone's past as far as couples go. Therefore you really know you TT history. I respect what you wrote and stand by it also.
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