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| SparkyX | Jul 26 2006, 12:34 PM Post #1 |
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Ever heard of the term "butchery"? Wondered if the Teen Titans animated series were copied or merely adapted from the 80's New Teen Titans comic book? dl316bh has the answers in our first article. The article talks about the changes which had been made by the creative team who put together the Teen Titans animated series. Check out the article here, and don't forget to post your thoughts on the article here or e-mail the author. |
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| Al | Jul 26 2006, 04:14 PM Post #2 |
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The man has conviction, and I respect conviction. That and tatoos that look like barbed wire. Give him time, maybe dl could own the rights to the show, and he can do it how he wants. |
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| Hunter17 | Jul 26 2006, 09:29 PM Post #3 |
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He has a point, the End trilogy really annoyed me, as it should have been WAY darker, Trigon looked like a bloody fairy to me. Anyways, i still like the show, hey it got me here, didnt it?Anyways, dl, i respect your opinion and I too will be waiting for a show giving the Titans their proper stance and personalities. |
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| Hyde12 | Jul 27 2006, 03:03 PM Post #4 |
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Hi. It’s my first post here and I have to say I think it’s really cool that this site is being so professional about everything. I especially like the fact that dl316bh is able to post an article with his opinions on the cartoon show. That doesn’t stop me totally disagreeing with what dl316bh has to say but he’s explained his stance perfectly and you can understand why he is “miffed”. In my opinion what the writers have done with the animated series is very clever. They have adapted TT to a new medium and aimed it at a new target audience effortlessly and I think you only have to look at the huge fan base it has to see that if kids are being treated as stupid, they don’t really care. After all who do the writers want to please? The old fans? Or their target audience? It’s a fun show. It doesn’t need depth because it simply isn’t that type of cartoon. The whole appeal of it is in the simplicity as Glen Murakami explains. “We wanted everything to be really, really, iconic. Like, 'Oh, there’s the robot guy. There’s the alien girl. There’s the witch girl. There’s the shape-changing boy.” * It’s a more economic style of writing that fits in with the simple style of the show. Sure it may not go into depth or explain back-stories as some old school fans may have hoped, but to be blunt, big deal. It’s not for the old fans. Who are the older fans to tell fans of the animated series the show is wrong? The cartoon is based off the comic but it is not the same thing. I do have more of an opinion on this but I've written more than I wanted as it is. I can't wait to see what the next article will be about. *Quote obtained from wikipedia.org on the Teen Titans (animated series) page. |
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| Lizard-Man | Jul 31 2006, 04:18 PM Post #5 |
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In Hyde12 you are right. But that there in lies the problem with the series. Its geared towards kids. Maybe at times to geared. The original comics were deep and intricate and were very popular. The style of what they did for the series was decent but I can never help but feel how it could have been better. I don't hate the show, its one of my favourites, but I can imagine them doing a better job on it. Perhaps being more faithful to the comics would have given them a larger audience with young kids and comic fans. Thats really all DL would have liked out of the series just a little more faithfulness to the comics. If you ever want to know how I would have made the series better if Muramaki let me take the helm of the series simply ask me. I'd love to answer. |
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| Nikkilove06 | Aug 1 2006, 08:56 PM Post #6 |
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I agree with Hyde12, but dl361bh did make some very good points, in my point of view the animated show did have some things that the comics have they steered the story a different way, a very different way. |
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| Hyde12 | Aug 3 2006, 03:29 PM Post #7 |
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I'd be happy to hear how you would have made the series better Lizard-Man. It's always fun to "compare notes" with other fans. I do understand what you are saying though. The cartoon is definitely not what some of the older fans wanted but that’s the thing…sometimes pleasing the older fans is taken as the crucial factor to success with a lot of comic adaptations and I don’t think that’s always the case. The TT cartoon isn’t what some fans wanted, but that doesn’t make it bad because many other new fans adore the show. I love the cartoon. I find it refreshing because personally I’m not a fan of a lot of the modern comic book movies. A lot of critics celebrate them for being “dark” but I find them really boring and pretentious. “Look how black Batman’s costume is this time, Wow he means business”. I much prefer the comics to any comic book film. If I could redo the cartoon there would be a lot more BB X Raven hints I can tell you that. Oh yeah and the episode with Robin and the talking bear would be dropped like that. Am I the only one who thinks a talking bear, excluding Yogi and Boo-Boo, is really dumb? |
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| dl316bh | Aug 3 2006, 06:04 PM Post #8 |
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I have no problems that you like it. I have said many times before that I do not begrudge it's fans or any of the people who enjoyed it. My problem has always lied with how things were handled in the series itself. The style... I could let that go. I may not like Beast Boy's costume or the fact that it basically a japanese anime conventions rip off, but hey, the style has been handled worse. My problem is this. Did they really need to forsake the comic fans like that? I know they were targeting kids, but almost ALL the fans of the comics this series was "based after" were but kids when they came out. The concepts need not be watered down for them. Some of the very same people converged in comic shops as kids to talk about what went on in that months issue or what the future may entail. They weren't idiots. Not saying that todays kids are, I just personally feel they are treated as such. But even so, all that aside, lets say that most of the old comics WERE too mature or gory or something for kids these days or even back then and they aimed for kids. Would it be fair to forsake the comics fans COMPLETELY? I mean, there are ways around many things while keeping the story and themes intact. Was it necessary to make Slade such a cold hearted pure villain? Was it so very necesary to make Terra just some lost kid? A convention that has been used so many times before? Did they really need to change the endings of said storyline and Terror of Trigon so drastically? Did they really need to turn Brother Blood into such a mockery of what he was? All of those things add up. It looks like they never intended to look out for comic fans at all in many regards and that has angered some of us. The cartoon isn't what a lot of fans wanted. Talking to some comics fans elsewhere (there aren't many here unfortunatly), many of them were extremely dissapointed with how the story's they loved were handled. This is not just me. They also kinda turned the Titans into basic stereotypes. Sure there was some deviation from said labels, but not really enough. The characters ae truely unique enough in their looks that should they have become very popular in the mainstream people would be able to recognize them no matter the form they arrived in. Recognition is fine, but label adherance is not good. No, you are right. Pleasing the comic's fans is not exacty always an essential thing. They got away with it here because the Titans are not like Batman or Superman. They are not as in the public eye as those two are so only the comic fans would stand up and take notice. But the problem is that some of the very same fans of the show then have gotten into the comics, and without naming any usernames, all of those I have talked to prefer the comics because of who the characters are and the depth they have. This leads to the possibility that many old fans will get jaded with it and realize how much was changed. Sure it's popular for a time, but it's possible that popularity will run out. It's like when you fondly remember a show as a kid but come to find out it really wasn't as deep or as great as you thought it was when you got older. Part of the reason the original Timm Batman series is so timeless is because it really keeps to the atmosphere and core points well. Really... the Teen Titans didn't do that at all. It forgoed the serious tone for a more comical approach that would have suited other source material far better. Some things were fine with the current series, but they really should have kept to things far more and payed a lot more attention to several things. The show is full of plot holes and so far away from the comics that many feel it fails to count as a credible adaption. Like I said, some change is acceptable, but there is a limit. Thankfully it doesn't matter much anymore. The series is done with no chance of coming back. They are also going ahead and handing things over to Bruce Timm and the guys who did the story's to begin with so many years ago. So the comic fans will get our good adaption of the Judas Contract and if things go well a new animated series based off of it. But that still doesn't stop someone like me from looking back and seeing so much lost potential in something that could have been great. Had they kept to the comic roots more, changed a few things around but sill kept their own creative liberties with some things, the animated series could have become something legendary, just like the Bruce Timm Batman: TAS that so many people adore. On how I did this article, I like to keep things as professional as I can, with that and my posts. I don't like to go into a debate or argue my points without facts to back them up. I like knowing what I'm talking about and while I personally despise the series, I do want to maintain a certain amount of professionalism to it. I want to argue my points, not be a complete jerk about it, savvy? Now on the comic adaption movies, it depends on what you mean. You seem to mean Batman Begins, but in my opinion it really kept to the tone and did justice to the Frank Millar "Batman: Year One" comic series so well I was even able to forgive the last part. You know, Batman doesn't kill, but he has always tried to save even scum. It's who he is. But I felt that with everything else so very well done and kept too that him letting Ras Al Ghul "die" was a minor gripe I could let go, similar to how I didn't care for the Tumbler Batmobile he was sporting. But if you meant X-Men, that walked a very fine line with me for the first two. It had superb acting, tone and directing, but it had some major changes too it that walked a VERY fine line between acceptable and butchery. But things were balanced enough that this X-Men fan was able to forgive those misgivings and even enjoy them. I dissavow any knowledge of the third one, so I won't get into that. So basically, it depends on the movie. What you basically alluded too, being the public give too much undeserved praise to a certain movie, ties into how I feel about the Teen Titans AS. I hope you can understand how I feel about all this. On the BBxRae moments, they could have had more of that. there were enough in the old comics. They weren't romantic ones, mind you, but they could be considered moments. The problem is that for some reason most of the the crew hates BBxRae, even talking down and rudely to the shippers, and probably regret putting in as many as they did. And yes, talking bears aside from the ORIGINAL talking bear and his little buddy is a very stupid concept. XD |
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| dragongirl777 | Aug 4 2006, 09:55 AM Post #9 |
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dl316bh,you are a jackass. |
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| Moontails | Aug 4 2006, 10:34 AM Post #10 |
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Dragongirl,you are rude.Don't disrespect someone like that. In other news,I finally read it.And I must say it was very well written with a lot of good points. Kudos! |
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| dl316bh | Aug 4 2006, 12:02 PM Post #11 |
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You're goddamn right. Biggest jackass in the valley. ^_^ I'm not even going to warn you for that because I find it so very sadly amusing. Call me what you want. It's probably true to some degree. If you don't like me, well thats just your problem now isn't it? I'm not here to please you or pander to your likes. Get over it. Thanks for coming to my aid Moon Fox. I appreciate that you liked it. =) |
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| Al | Aug 4 2006, 02:12 PM Post #12 |
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You're really more of a burro than a jackass, dl. |
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| dragongirl777 | Aug 6 2006, 08:05 AM Post #13 |
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LOL. |
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| Al | Aug 13 2006, 01:16 AM Post #14 |
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ZOMG LOL OMFG STFU LALZ. There's more to this than three letters of text, ma'am. |
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Anyways, i still like the show, hey it got me here, didnt it?









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