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Spider-Man 3 Teaser
Topic Started: Jun 28 2006, 02:17 AM (755 Views)
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This was one of the movies I want to se from a long time ago, the black suit for Spider man, all the moral conflicts inside his mind (power vs right) and of course Venom, an awesome character, I can`t wait to see this!
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I'm eagerly awaiting this myself.

I must say though, I'm still a little worried about how all this is going to translate in this movie. Normally these things are an hour and a half to two hours if we're really lucky. For this one, how long it is will make all the difference. I mean, we have at least six subplots running through this one. We have the symbiote suit, Spidey fighting between the violent tendencies the suit is giving him, Eddie Brock getting his life torn apart by his own doing, Sandman, who's apparantly now Uncle Bens real killer in a VAST departure from the comics, Harry as the new Green Goblin and of course, Venom.

Thats a lot of stuff to cram into a movie that may not even go past the two hour mark. This is Sam Raimi doing it, so I have much more faith in this then I did in X-Men 3, which was a terrible adaption of the Dark Phoenix Saga. But still, those are six plot threads, at least three of them easily able to fill a feature length movie with their depth. It may well be possible to fit all of them in properly, but still, it's worrying.

I'm hoping they can pull it off though.

I do get the feeling lately that so much was crammed into this because this might well be the last Spidey movie, at least as we know them. Far as I know, Sam Raimi doesn't think he's gonna be on for a sequel, Kirstin Dunst isn't on board for another and Tobey himself says he doesn't think he's gonna be on board for another, unless there's a great script and Sam Raimi is on board. All this might contribute to them thinking that to get all the best plots in a quality movie they might have to cram it into what's possibly gonna be the last Sam Raimi movie.

But then again, who knows eh?
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Well, they did say they might do another film, if there are any stories in the movie left unfinished.
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Yeah, they DID say they might, but you know Marvel is not going to just drop one of it's biggest movie franchises simply because the main team who made the movies great is leaving.

But again, will it be the same? Sam Raimi is a very capable director to handle franchises. If he goes I'm half afraid we'll get someone like Brett Ratner directing future movies.

Strangely, I don't see what they mean about not being enough decent story's to tell. There are plenty left. The Lizard is one. His friend and teacher, in his quest to figure out how to regenerate lost limbs, makes himself into a monster and he has to fight it. Quite a bit of drama there. Mysterio always makes for some good fun, and there's even the added bonus of some added barb exchanges between the two. Scorpion's story is quite a psychological one.

There's plenty to do. I mean, damn, just because the biggest fish on the totem pole are used doesn't mean there's nothing else great to use there Mr. Raimi.

Oh well. I hope they stick on for another one, but I figure Tobey probably wants to move on to other things and Sam Raimi obviously isn't sure if there's anything left to build on. If the big ones leave after this, hopfully we'll get good replacements on the franchise. You just know Marvel isn't going to stop at number three.
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The movie was a TOTAL and absolute PWN. Better then the first and second one. YOU will LAUGH, you WILL CRY. Oh.. just so awesome.
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Warning: Heavy Spoilers. If you have not seen this movie, read no furthur.

I just got back from seeing Spider-Man 3. I was quite lucky to as well. Most of the showings were sold out. Thankfully, I managed to get tickets to the 10:45 slot at Crossgates.

Overall impressions:

By far, this is the best of the trilogy. No doubt. The movie has the perfect blend of the action, comedy and emotional moments. After being let down by two, I'm happy to report that the third Spidey delivered on almost all accounts.

The adaption of the comic storylines was top notch. In general, some things were changed around, of course, but it was acceptable. Flint Marko was never really a sympathetic villain in the comics, but he was more then a one note wonder here. Harry Osbourne also had a change or two in the flow of his story, but overall it was done well. The final scene with him reminded me heavily of Harry's death in the comics, where he broke free of the insanity that gripped him and before he died, he told Peter that Pete would always be his best friend. Utterly awesome.

The symbiote was well handled as well. The whole symbiote suit and what it did to Peter was handled phenominally and really did it justice. The agression Peter recieved due to it reminded me of the comics and the nineties Spidey series, where Venoms storyline was quite literally one of the best from the entire show. Once Peter gets on the bad boy attitude, laughs abound. It was just too funny.

This time, I was actually pleased with the acting. One of my biggest problems with Spider-Man 2 was that a lot of the time, the acting seemed rather wooden. I actually checked my watch during that movie, and that should not under any circumstances happen in a movie for a character so iconic. It failed to convey the emotion needed for such a drama heavy story, which really brought it down. It didn't seem like Tobey was even trying in 2 and Kirsten in particular had a rather unflattering performance. The best thing from 2 was Alfred Monila as Doc Ock.

This time, it was different. Tobey seemed to be actually trying this time and the acting was far better. He does sometimes go over the top in the movie, but when he does, it's for a good reason. His darker bad attitude Peter Parker was hilariously over the top and I about died laughing. Kirsten put in a better performance too, and the romantic scenes didn't bog down the movie, where I actually felt kinda bored during them in 2, being honest. Sandman was portrayed awesomely, and Topher Grace was the absolute perfect Eddie Brock. He fit the character as well as J.K. Simmons fits J. Jonah Jameson.

But of everything in the movie, one of the scenes with the most epic win is Bruce Campbells practically necessary cameo as a French matre d' aire. It was a great scene that he helped balance out the drama stuff with comedic moments. More proof that Bruce Campbell is epic win.

Though, I have to say it. The most dissapointing aspect of the movie is the part I was looking forward to the most. Yes. I'm talking about Venom.

Much of the problem is simply that he comes in way too late in the movie. By the time we see him, the movie is seven eigths of the way over. Venom is literally in the movie for no more then twenty minutes, which was unbelievably dissapointing. It's like he showed up for the party but had nothing to do.

With this time contriction comes quite a problem. There's literally just no time to show the Venom that comic and nineties animated series fans know and love. No taunting of Spidey. No quips. Not enough time to show the utter viciousness of the character. We did not get the feeling that Venom was quite possibly Spidey's greatest adversary as we should have.

Another problem that the time constraints bring is the overall power level of Venom. In general, during his first appearances, it was firmly established that Venom was far more powerful then Spidey. He literally shalacked our favorite wall crawler and it took Parkers wits to beat Venom, as he was completely outclassed in power. Spidey barely won in the original storyline and if I remember correctly, he never managed to outright beat the symbiote again. The fights were always to a stalemate.

But in this movie, I think the twenty minute time limit was what nuetered Venom. There was just not enough time left by the time he came in to properly do the character justice, and it honestly does feel like he was just thrown in so the fans would be pleased. I would seriously have been able to wait for a fourth film so he would have been done justice. He was not shown as powerful or deadly as he should. In general, there was not exactly any clear point in the fight where Venom truely had the upper hand. The Spidey vs Venom fights have never been that evenly matched, and it feels like a waste of a character that could have held down an entire movie as the villain. Hell, it wasn't even a one on one fight like the trailers led you to believe. Plus, Venom's end, after only twenty some minutes of film time, is horribly dissapointing. Of course, we know the rule of "no body, not dead", but seriously, what a lousy note to drop the character on.

Overall, if Raimi had been signed on for a fourth one, I wish they'd have resolved the alien costume saga with this movie and saved Venom for the fourth, along with another villain like the Lizard. Epic, epic fail.

But overall, I was highly satisfied with the movie. Problems with Venom aside, it was definitely the highlight of the trilogy, and proof a third movie can top it's predecessors. If Sam Raimi comes on for the fourth film, I'll be thrilled. If not... well, what a note to go out on.
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But of everything in the movie, one of the scenes with the most epic win is Bruce Campbells practically necessary cameo as a French matre d' aire. It was a great scene that he helped balance out the drama stuff with comedic moments. More proof that Bruce Campbell is epic win.

As Bruce Campbell humourously said at a Comic-Con a while before the movie's release...

"In the first Spider-Man, I named Spider-Man. In the second Spider-Man, I defeated Spider-Man. And in the third Spider-Man, I'm going to team up with Spider-Man. Be afraid. Be very afraid."

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How long is the movie? 'Cuz I seriously think Raimi should've extended the time length at least long enough for Spidey and Venom to have a one-on-one fight. As much as I respect you as a superhero, Spidey, Venom really needs to kick your ass.
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I thought it was slightly disappointing but I quite liked it. :)
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How long is the movie? 'Cuz I seriously think Raimi should've extended the time length at least long enough for Spidey and Venom to have a one-on-one fight.


Well, I didn't look at my watch once during the movie, so I can't give an exact time. But I'd estimate the movie was two to two and a half hours long. The Spidey movies have always been at least two hours.

Being honest, I wouldn't be surprised if there's quite a bit of deleted material. The movie was long as it was, and as we know, theaters love movies to be as short as possible so they can cram in as many showtimes as they can. Truthfully, I'll guarantee you now that right there is why we always see a decent abundance of deleted scenes in movies.

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As much as I respect you as a superhero, Spidey, Venom really needs to kick your ass.


Agreed. We really needed a Venom fight with our favorite Spider anti hero with the upper hand. It would have taken Spidey's wits to win, not so much what kinda amounted to dumb luck along with an unbelievably even match up, which it should NOT have been, considering the power of the symbiote.

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As Bruce Campbell humourously said at a Comic-Con a while before the movie's release...

"In the first Spider-Man, I named Spider-Man. In the second Spider-Man, I defeated Spider-Man. And in the third Spider-Man, I'm going to team up with Spider-Man. Be afraid. Be very afraid."


Well, I can inform Bruce Campbell that I wasn't afraid, but I sure as hell laughed during the scenes with him. He didn't hesitate to humiliate Spidey, but did team with him in a way, which even ended in a funny moment. XD
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Ah Jayy and I had a good time at the movies!
Here's my story:
We had to buy the tickets, and being the moocher I am I lied about my age. I use my cuteness and young looks as an advantage. Anyways, I couldnt fool her cause she asked me for my age, and I wasnt a good liar and mumbled my age. She gave me the ticket anyways. Jayy made fun of me.
We came a half an hour early expecting loads of peeps in line cause someone reccomended an to be an hour early *cough*Cat*cough*. So we played some video games and killed some friggin zombies.
We got bored and hung outside like we were on drugs cause it was so cold out! People stared at us like we were nuts. We talked about life and made fun of the people that walked by us.
We Then bought loads of snacks... but we did not have enough money cause the genius JC1070 could not count her money correctly. The guy that was serving us was laughing at our faces. =_=
So we see the movie, and I am waiting for the emo parts that Cat told me about. We cracked up and caused mahem when we saw Spidey do the flipey thingy with his hair. And he even wore the tight clothing and such. We cracked up when he ***** slapped Mary Jane.
Someone smart in the movie was trying to clap at the emotional part when he forgives the Sandman about his Uncle's death, but no one else would clap with him/her. We were all like, nice try.
When the movie was over we saw these black guys... I mean African American gentlemen talk about walking down to Burger King. So Jayy had the stupid idea of going too. We went through the terrain of streets and such, in fear of getting run over by an Escalade. When we got there we lingered there until her mom called her. Her mom said that my dad was waiting for us outside...
We ran our asses out of their in fear of getting a spanking. ah that was a very funny moment. I compared that moment like crossing the border feom Mexico to America (there was a little fence we had to climb) We were out of breathe when we got into the car.

And that was my adventure! Tehe
Back on topic..., I think the 3rd movie is the best of the 3. It had some humor in it unlike the others and it had loads of emotional parts that made the audience crack up. I think they were sending a message to emo people... but that's just me.

Ok gotta go to bed... *yawn*
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I saw it on Saturday in Orlando, damn it was crowded.

My friends and I (being the biggest Spiderman fans ever) were a little disappointed. I guess we had our expectations too high. I enjoyed it a little, but the style of the movie seemed different than the other too. D; I didn't like the whole "Spiderman Day" thing, and the "I can be emo and dance!" stuff. Oh well, it's Spiderman so it was cool.

P.S. They didn't say Venom's name! DDD;
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I actually saw it twice.

No 'fence, but it went really slow at some parts, like you wanna just yell out "Oh, Get on with it!" then at other parts it went really fast. Only a few parts where perfect, like the big fight scene at the end.

I think Venom should've lasted longer, seeing he lasted a while in the comics, didn't he?

I hated the ending. Maryjane and Peter should not have broken up. I thought they where going to get married in this one! But no, they ended the movie with them dancing. >_>

I didn't like how Harry died at the end, even though he does die in the comics, so says my dad.

Well, I don't really know. It was a good movie, just it got really boring or annoying at some parts.

Oh, and no need to be rude, but Sparkyx, your description is a tad bit off.
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I hated the ending. Maryjane and Peter should not have broken up. I thought they where going to get married in this one!


Well, not letting the two get married was undeniably a cop out. Kirsten Dunst has said for a while now she doesn't particularly think she's going to return, barring certain circumstances. This is an easy way out. They're not together anymore, so if she decides she doesn't want to return, it's not terribly hard for them to take her out without killing her, which was how some people predicted the Mary Jane situation would be dealt with if Dunst wasn't coming back.

Besides that, being honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel themselves had a hand in keeping the marriage from happening onscreen. It's no secret that just about everyone at Marvel comics thinks the Mary Jane/Peter Parker marriage in the comics was a massive mistake of epic proportions. I doubt they wanted to lock the movie in that way. They're still looking for a way to do get out of the comic marriage without a massive retcon that would massively effect twenty years of Marvel history, a death or a divorce. Some think they may have found a way through Dr. Strange, who's slated to appear in an upcoming storyline with ominous overtones for the Peter/Mary Jane relationship.

If there was a way out of this without a retcon, Dr. Strange would be the character to provide it.

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I didn't like how Harry died at the end, even though he does die in the comics, so says my dad.


He does. Being honest, I thought the death was well handled. It was quite full circle for the character to end as a hero. It wasn't exactly as it was in the comics, but I thought it still worked well.

Still, I thought the comic version was far more powerful. Harry was gripped by insanity and desperation, so desperately wanting the love his father never gave him. He had visions of his "dead" father, telling him to avenge him, and Harry snapped, becoming the second Green Goblin.

Over time, Harry was quite the adversary, but the serum took it's toll. Harry tried to upgrade the serum and when he did, he schalacked spidey. Almost killed him. But when the moment of truth came, and the building Spidey was in was just about to explode, A part of Harry deep down realized what he was doing and broke free of the madness. He saved Spidey, but the upgraded serum was flawed, and he slowly died. But before he died, he told Peter that Pete would always be his best friend. Very powerful. At least to me.

As you can see, things were much different, but I think it was still well handled, and the death in the movie reminded me of the comic death in a couple ways.

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P.S. They didn't say Venom's name! DDD;


I noticed that too. That was damn annoying. But I guarantee you it was a result of the fact that the character was only in the last twenty minutes of the movie, only about six of that onscreen. Blah. >_<

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I think Venom should've lasted longer, seeing he lasted a while in the comics, didn't he?


Venom went far differently in the comics then he did in the movie. In the movie, like I already said, there wasn't any one point where you felt Venom had a clear advantage over Spidey. And it was over too soon.

In the comics, Venom was literally Spidey's most deadly adversary, barring the original Green Goblin, who has destroyed Peter's life more times then any other. He was vicious. He was calculating. He was made to be Spidey's greatest challenge. He toyed with Spidey.

In their first true fight, Spidey was utterly destroyed. Venom convincingly defeated the wall crawler with utter ease, the power of the symbiote vastly apparent. Venom toyed with the wall crawler, and it took Parkers wits to win. Spidey won only by using his intelligence. And that was the only time he ever won. Unless I'm missing a particular fight, Spidey never beat Venom outright again. The fights were always to stalemates from then on out.

In all honestly, Venom could easily have held down an entire movie as the villain. He has so much potential and is such a fun character. There is a reason he's one of the most popular Spidey villains/sometimes ally. It's why I feel shoving him in the last twenty minutes just to be gotten rid of so easily was a total waste. You want to talk about fodder for a fourth movie. The entire Venom saga could have made a fourth movie the best of the bunch.

Though, as I've thought back on things, I can't say anymore that I'm terribly surprised by this turn of events. Sam Raimi originally had absolutely no plans to use Venom, and I distinctly remember him not thinking much of the character at all. Later on, he began to grow an appreciation for the character, but now that I think about it, by then there wasn't any other way to get him in but through shoehorning.

Why Eddie was "killed" near the end, however, is beyond me. That was unnecesary. For another thing, I have a hard time believing that damn bomb would incinerate Eddie. I mean, please. Sandman took one of those. Harry took a Goblin bomb to the face at approximetly the same range and walked away with some scarring. Suddenly they're mini nuetron bombs? Sorry Raimi. Don't buy it.

But even though it seems clear cut, don't count the original Venom out just yet. There's a rule in comic books and related media. If you do not see a body, he's not dead. If they wanted to, they could get out of that scene.

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Oh, and no need to be rude, but Sparkyx, your description is a tad bit off.


Well, it happens. That description was from a while ago, when the first teaser hit. If you look at it, a lot of that description sounds like it was referring to the animated series. John Jameson brought the symbiote back in the animated series. It was pretty much an early estimation of how things were going to go.
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Why Eddie was "killed" near the end, however, is beyond me. That was unnecesary. For another thing, I have a hard tiem believing that damn bomb would incinerate Eddie. I mean, please. Sandman took one of those. Harry took a Goblin bomb to the face at approximetly the same range and walked away with soem scarring. Suddenly they're mini nuetron bombs? Sorry Raimi. Don't buy it.

*scene from first Spider-Man film, during the fair. Green Goblin flies toward members of the board*

Green Goblin: Out, am I?!

*throws timed bomb which incinerates members to skeletons*
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Yeah, I know. I remember that. But in general the Goblin bombs seem to be quite inconsistant in their power. First, they incinerated people. Then Spidey takes one at close range. Then Harry takes one in the face and walks away with minor scarring. Sandman takes a Goblin bomb in the same fight and only has a hole knocked out of him from the explosion. Then Eddie is suddenly incinerated as though the things had suddenly become mini nuetron bombs again?

See my point? They weren't that powerful in 3 up to that point. They seem to be inconsistant with the power of the Goblin bomb. I have a hard time believing Harry can take a Goblin bomb to the face with some scarring, yet Eddie is incinerated. Get what I mean?
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