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| Al | Jan 23 2006, 07:30 PM Post #31 |
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Mmm, there's a funny story behind that: Way back when, President Reagen--or was it Carter? Eh, they both sucked. Anyway, one of them gave the order to train disgruntled people in Afghanistan and/or Saudi Arabia to fight and to arm them. The one who trained/armed them? CIA Director George H.W. Bush. True story. And, oddly enough, WE were on Saddam's side in the 80s. We helped coordinate airstrikes against "insurgents." Funny how things change, ain't it? Sorry, I got off topic. Won't happen again, I swear. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Jan 23 2006, 08:56 PM Post #32 |
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To be fair, they never received any 'training'. They were just given artillery by the US government by Carter (he REALLY sucked) and Reagan (Greatest US President ever. If you can beat Communism, you're pretty good) supplied them not as muchas Carter. They were supposed to give them back and they never did. We helped them beat the Soviet Union and they repayed us by trying to kill us because we are infidels. Tell me, who is more of an infidel, the original infidel or the infidels who need their help? We've learnt that we can't really trust them anymore. Yeah, we helped Saddam but that was because he was fighting against the Commies as well. Look, I'm not sure if you know this or are denying this...but Communism is evil. Pure evil. Just as bad as the Nazi's and they were a bigger threat and if it weren't for Ronald Reagan, chances are you'd be living under a hammer and sickel instead of the Red White and Blue. |
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| Windshear | Jan 23 2006, 10:01 PM Post #33 |
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Oh, God. Can we not waste space with politics? I hate politics. I'm never voting. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Jan 23 2006, 10:57 PM Post #34 |
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Sorry, it was election day here and I had to vent. Anyway, I think things are going very well in the world. Although I am slightly concerned more about war in the Middle East. Sure you're thinking, "Shadow, there IS a war in the middle east! Ever heard of Iraq???" Yeah everyone knows about Iraq but I'm talking about Iran. Apparently Israel is ready to take action against Iran and Iran is a force to be reckoned with. I hope nuclear war doesn't break out. |
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| craZy | Jan 24 2006, 08:16 AM Post #35 |
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Hmm, well Hitler was fightin for his own belief and wants. Depends on u whether you think his actions were noble. But anyhoo... I respect Osama as a muslim figure, who is leading the Al-Queada (spelling??). He led an attack against America, yes and had killed many which is most devasting, but what about those muslims which the American had killed in the past? Americans had occupied many Muslim areas and many people and their families were killed as well. Now as I said it most devasting to watch the news and see all those families crying over their lost one in the US, and I really cant stand such things were people are killed, but I can't really forget about my own muslims people now can I? They as well are crying over their now dead families too. So, its all like that really... |
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| Satans Spawn | Jan 24 2006, 02:16 PM Post #36 |
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oh yeah I know Bin Larden! I just didn't know his real first name. Well back on subject, I think that a big cause of the destruction of the world we be due to neuclear weapons, one country will bomb another, then another government will say "oh, we've got one of those too! Let's bomb this country!" BANG! And so on and so forth. You get the point XD So in other words we'll destroy our selves with selfishness. I think some leaders can be too big headed for their own good... |
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| Shadow Avenger | Jan 24 2006, 04:09 PM Post #37 |
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Well I don't think we're going to destroy ourselves. I don't think we're that crazy as a race. I do think however that leaders sometimes need to be bigheaded. It's all a matter of ego. You have to look strong at times. |
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| Al | Jan 24 2006, 06:59 PM Post #38 |
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...Wow. First off, the Russians had no military. They had outdated weaponry, a worthless navy, and no leadership. How the hell were they supposed to conquer America? Second of all, Reagan, God rest his soul, was not as great as some people would say. He was, by all accounts, legally senile. Just read some of the things he's said. He was not a saint--he helped Saddam coordinate air strikes against the Kurds, he caused a huge recession in the economy with his "Reaganomics," and was pretty lax by way of the environment--"If you've seen one redwood tree, you've seen them all." I lived ten minutes away from a redwood forest for twelve years, and let me tell you, there are few things in life that can compare with the natural beauty of the California wildlife. I'm not a hippy or anything, I'm just saying: If you look at the big picture, you'd see that he was far from the best President ever (That would be Lincoln). And Communism? Not that threatening. It's a bloated, ineffective system of government. As far as I'm concerned, it's no threat to national security--and by the way, the kind of communism they practiced wasn't real communism from what I've heard and read. Sorry to get off topic--we need a politics thread. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Jan 24 2006, 07:07 PM Post #39 |
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You start it and I'll be there. Al Gore is writting another book about global warming. Is he beating a dead horse or is he trying to get people to wake up to a possible danger. |
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| The Kaiser | Jan 24 2006, 07:54 PM Post #40 |
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First off, Thank you, Al Davis 4 President. Second off, it's learned. There is no such word as "learnt". Living under the Hammer and Sickle? Give me a break. Either you have a poor grasp of history, or you've been fed lies. The only thing that Reagen truly did to stop Communism was spend so much on our military the Bolsheviks couldn't keep up. He didn't beat Communism on his own, the Soviet Union was already falling apart. The Satellite States were demanding freedom, the people themselves wanted freedoms, and the general economy of the Soviet Union just wasn't cutting it. Reagen was a factor true, but he didn't beat them. Second off, Carter did NOT suck. Who was it that had friends to tell the Iranian Terrorists to keep the hostages until after the elections. Oh, Reagan's close circle! Carter may not have had the best economy, but he did a lot more for this country, especially after his presidency, than Reagen ever did. Communism evil? Pure and utter bull. Comparing it to Nazism is nothing more than a sad fit of hyped-up hysteria. Tell, what's more evil, trying to help workers all live better, or letting businesses outsource millions of jobs to other countries? Get your facts straight. Communism is not *evil*. It is a different form of economics. There is God Willing NO SINGLE WAY you can compare Communism to Nazism. They aren't the same category. Communism is an economic system, Nazism is a belief in racial superiority. Do us a favor and take a class in history to learn the difference. And again, Communism was at it's biggest apex by the 1960s, during the Kennedy administration. By the 1980s, they were slowly dying off, little by little. They weren't a threat anymore, and if anything, would have fallen regardless of Reagan. And on this water animals thing, sure, something's bad is going to happen. Something bad happens everyday. As humans, we learn to deal with it, and solve the problem. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Jan 24 2006, 08:16 PM Post #41 |
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OK, now we really need to start a politics thread. I mean, whoa this is getting big. You don't think Communism is evil? Come on. It's only killed 100 million people. Do you think we shoudl give it another chance? It's not like I'm saying that Communism is worse than the Nazi, but I think that they are all both pretty bad. I mean...100 million. That's a lot. |
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| The Kaiser | Jan 24 2006, 08:26 PM Post #42 |
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... ... Where do you get your information?! This is the most ridiculous claim I have ever laid my eyes on. There weren't even that many people killed in the Second World War, which was the highest amount of casualties in all of human history at 61 million! Please, for the sake of others, research before you speak. Provide links, just do something. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Jan 24 2006, 08:41 PM Post #43 |
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I'm a bit insulted that you make me out to be some sort of conspiracy theorist. I'm a lot smarter than that. I haven't found the book where I found those Communist statistics but I found a website-one among many. http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM "In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987." Let me find that book...I know it's around here somewhere...ah, here it is... The Rise and Fall of the Soviet Empire by Brian Crozier, page 513-in case you want to buy it. |
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| The Kaiser | Jan 24 2006, 08:51 PM Post #44 |
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Pull me up a non-biased site, and we can talk. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Jan 24 2006, 08:54 PM Post #45 |
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Well what about the book because that's where I also got the numbers. |
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