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Iran; More toruble in the Middle East?
Topic Started: Jan 16 2006, 06:10 PM (648 Views)
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Spazz...I already asked (And I did this especially for you) that no one bring up Israel having nukes because Israel has nukes because...well I'll quote that.

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And nobody as the question, "Why is Israel allowed to have nukes?"
Look, I really don't know but the UN security council says that Iran can't have nukes. So take it up with the UN.


And don't ask just Bush why he's doing this. Also ask the female chancellor of Germany why she's considering taking action.
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:oops: Crap, sorry, I didn't see that part. *Edits*

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Well, Suuni Muslims agreed with Ummyad rule over their empire a few thousand years ago with a non-Arab muslum serving as caliph, and Shiite Muslums thought only Muhammad's heirs should be caliph and they've kinda had a thorn in their side for the past thousand years, at least i think.

All main monotheistic religions are intertwined because of Abraham back when the earth was like 7 years old, so we really must come to an understanding. And alotta the extremists are taking the word and meaning of jihad and perverting it into an excuse for murder.


*Sigh* The last part, yes, I agree.

The first part: The Shiites believe that angel Gabriel made a mistake by going to Muhammad instead of Ali. It has nothing to do with the caliphs.
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Does anyone believe that Bush should go in alone into Iran or should he wait and build up an Alliance-Germany, UK, UN?
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I don't want Bush to go to Iran at all. People shouldn't go to war, they should negotiate. =(

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From what I've heard, they have been doing negotiations. This guy doesn't want to give up. He wants his nukes. Eventually, there's going to be a time where diplomacy is going to be an opportunity who's window just closed.
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Well...when it becomes closed, do you expect there to be another World War? Because what this world does not need is World War III.
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There are very few wars that are justifiable in history--WWII and the American Revolution come to mind--and a war to disarm Iran doesn't fall into that category. WWII vets can say with pride that they served their countries to fight for the sake of the world (left unchecked, Hitler would have conquered Europe, and a dual-pronged attack from Germany and Japan likely would have decimated Russia). If there is a WWIII over Iran, there will be a draft, I promise you, and I don't plan to tell my children "Well, kids, we went in there because of a genocidal jackass who wuved his nukes." That doesn't seem right by me.

If there is a WWIII, I don't intend to fight and die needlessly. If I die, I want it to have a purpose, not because of some anti-semetic jerk in Iran bent on the destruction of Israel.

Now, defeating an anti-semetic jerk in GERMANY bent on the murder of everyone who wasn't snow white, that's different.
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Why?

Why do you think that dying for "some anti-semetic jerk in Iran" different than dying for "an anti-semetic jerk in GERMANY"? It's both mass murder, isn't it? It's basically two people (anti-semetic jerk in Germany/Iran) wanting to wipe something off the planet whether it's the German wanting who wants to basically wipe of the Jews, or the Iran person who basically wants to wipe of Israel. So why is it that different that you would die for one thing but not die for the other?
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The real question is pretty much "why did someone make nukes in the first place?" If there wasn't these things people will be a lot happier. Plus, There wouldn't be as much violence in the world.
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The nuclear weapon was invented as the last resort. I don't know why it was built. I'm not that smart. But this isn't really about that.
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It kind of is because the people are using Nukes. And they're Trying to wipe Some thing off the map with nukes. They have a lot to do with the problem.
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Why?

Why do you think that dying for "some anti-semetic jerk in Iran" different than dying for "an anti-semetic jerk in GERMANY"? It's both mass murder, isn't it? It's basically two people (anti-semetic jerk in Germany/Iran) wanting to wipe something off the planet whether it's the German wanting who wants to basically wipe of the Jews, or the Iran person who basically wants to wipe of Israel. So why is it that different that you would die for one thing but not die for the other?

Because the fate of the world was at stake in WWII. There was a madman who had more firepower, more armies, and more tacticians than anyone else in the world. He could have--and would have--taken the world in a matter of years, left unchecked. Iran is, for the most part, a weak nation--it's only asset are the nuclear weapons, and/or the fanatacism.
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You both make really good points-I have to give you that. Iran was much more Westernized with the Shaw in power until Khomeni (think that's how his name was spelt) took over.
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There was actually a coup aided by the CIA that established him, but that's another story.
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If you are referring to the 1953 removal of the Prime Minister then....well let me ask this....did you get that information from Bowling from Columbine?
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