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Iraq War; Think it'll end any time soon...?
Topic Started: Jan 7 2006, 04:20 PM (13,728 Views)
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Mar 20 2006, 04:56 PM
Oh good, then I'm not the only one.

And TK left, so I guess he kind of voided the question.

I do more things than just argue on the internets, thank you very much.

As to the question, yes, I'm damned proud of my country, and all the good that it's done and continues to do, but that doesn't mean I ignore the bad sides of it's history. Patriotism doesn't have to be blind patriotism.
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I am quite proud of my country, and very fortunate to be in the country that I live in.

And about Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan, well, I respect they're rights to say what they want to say, but I completely disagree with everything that they say or do.
I'm not too fimilar on Cindy Sheehan's full story, but I know she's anti-war and a Bush-hater because her son died in war, correct?
To her, I don't understand why she protests against the war just because she lost her son, because her son willingly went into the military to fight for our country. She should respect that her son died for ultimately her protection.
All in all, I don't think that her son dying in the war is a good enough reason to become "Anti-Bush" and try to stop the war just because her son died. More soldiers have died as well, and what about the Iraqi civilians that wanted no part in this war in the beginning? I don't see anyone sticking up for them. They're more labeled as victims WAY more than we are.

And about Michael Moore, ugh, he needs to be sent to Smack-'em-uptown.
He makes good movies though.

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I agree with you on Sheehan. I've been following her story since last August. At first she seemed like the new face of the anti-war movement but now she's become so desperate for attention it's pretty sad.

Moore...well I'd like to kick him in his Mas y Menos. When you say he makes good films, you mean he makes them interesting and catchy. Not in a way that makes you believe every word he says.
If that's what ur saying I agree. F 9/11 was a good propaganda film but unless you really check your facts and don't question what you see, it's the truth
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Mar 20 2006, 05:36 PM
Moore...well I'd like to kick him in his Mas y Menos. When you say he makes good films, you mean he makes them interesting and catchy. Not in a way that makes you believe every word he says.
If that's what ur saying I agree. F 9/11 was a good propaganda film but unless you really check your facts and don't question what you see, it's the truth

That's exactly what his films are to me. And I wouldn't question the truth, it's there I know.

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As to the question, yes, I'm damned proud of my country, and all the good that it's done and continues to do, but that doesn't mean I ignore the bad sides of it's history. Patriotism doesn't have to be blind patriotism.


Of course. But you seemed to be pointing out all the negative things in your last few posts that it seemed like you didn't care much for this country.
Just glad to clear that up.

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One thing I'd like to clear up to confirm whether or not I'm an idiot.

Did you say Michael Moore's films are the truth?
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I'm with Mike on alot of things. He's not a blind leftist--he criticizes the Democrats for their status as "doormat of America." He's certainly not a moron. He's not an ass, like certain high-class conservatives (cough, O'Reilly, cough, Ann Coulter).

Call me whatever you want--a dirty liberal, a flip-flopping democrat, a pinko commie, whatever (I call myself an independant)--I believe Mike, simply because conservative America has failed so utterly at being truthful.


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I respect your beliefs, Davis. But since they don't agree with mine, I've decided not to let you win this round of The Caption Thread. Better luck next time, Commie!!!!!

I'm just kidding.

Honestly, I could sit you down and point out so many inaccuracies and all out lies in Fahrenheit 9/11. Michael is right when he talks about Democrats but it makes me puzzled as to why he supports them, endorses them and then says that there is no way they can lose? (Kerry)

You're right about Coulter, I find her to be really extreme at times but I like O'Reilly because he's a good man and he's doing a good job with this nut Judge in Ohio-I think.
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Except when he's a hypocrite, when he lies about his past deeds on the show, when he lies about lying, when he bullies people for having opinions that differ from his own, and then there's the fact that he's a closed-minded jerk who thinks that his father earining $35,000 a year makes him "blue-collar," (check the rates of inflation--see how much 35 grand was worth in the 70s). Just off the top of my head.

But we've been going off topic, so...back to the war, I guess.
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Ah...I'll not book that lecture hall then.

Right now on DrudgeReport the top story has a picture of Bush above the caption, "We Will Defend Israel". Opinions?
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I just want to say one thing. It's odd how if a country has atomic/nuclear bombs, the US goes nuts and tried to take them away even though the US is the only country that has ever dropped a bomb on another.

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Right now on DrudgeReport the top story has a picture of Bush above the caption, "We Will Defend Israel". Opinions?


How about, "we will stop the war?" I like that better.
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Mar 20 2006, 05:50 PM
One thing I'd like to clear up to confirm whether or not I'm an idiot.

Did you say Michael Moore's films are the truth?

I think I misunderstood what you said before. I think I read it too fast and had typoed.
No, I don't think that Moore's films are truthful. Just to clear that up.

I believe what I meant to say is that Moore stretches the truth in his movies.

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Oh, and here's a recent article that was released on CNN today about the recent events in Iraq.

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Bush: More to Iraq story than violence

But Baghdad may be tougher to secure than other cities, he says

CLEVELAND, Ohio (CNN) -- In the face of flagging support for the war, President Bush said Monday that though Americans might be dismayed by events in Iraq, he sees signs of progress.

"The situation on the ground remains tense," Bush told an audience at the City Club of Cleveland. "In the face of continued reports about killings and reprisals, I understand how some Americans have had their confidence shaken.

"Others look at the violence they see each night on their television screens, and they wonder how I can remain so optimistic about the prospects of success in Iraq. They wonder what I see that they don't."

The president cited the northern city of Tal Afar, a former insurgent stronghold that has been largely peaceful recently.

"The savagery of the terrorists and insurgents who controlled Tal Afar is really hard for Americans to imagine," Bush said. "They enforced their rule through fear and intimidation, and women and children were not spared." (Read a full transcript)

He said U.S. and Iraqi forces had retaken the city from insurgents once before, in 2004, only to see insurgents return because there weren't enough trained Iraqi police and troops to maintain order.

Before the second offensive in September, U.S. troops built a berm around the city of 200,000, then allowed residents to leave.

Iraqi troops took the lead in the retaking and rebuilding of the city, Bush said.

"In this city, we see the outlines of the Iraq that we and the Iraqi people have been fighting for," he said. "A free and secure people are getting back on their feet ... are participating in government and civic life."

The strategy that led to success in Tal Afar "did not emerge overnight," Bush said. "It came only after much trial and error. It took time to understand and adjust to the brutality of the enemy in Iraq."

Stopping the violence likely will be more difficult in Baghdad, where 5 million Iraqis live and sectarian violence has changed the dynamic of the security situation in the Iraqi capital.

"I wish I could tell you that the progress made in Tal Afar is the same in every single part of Iraq. It's not," Bush said.

A prominent Democrat said Monday that Bush, instead of making speeches, should concentrate on putting more pressure on Iraqi officials to form a government.

"If his war fails, then America is hurt, America fails," said Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.

On Sunday, the president made a brief statement at the White House, saying he was optimistic the U.S. strategy in Iraq is working.

"And a victory in Iraq will make this country more secure and will help lay the foundation of peace for generations to come," he told reporters.

Bush hailed the political process, which diplomats and military officials have said is key to defeating the Iraqi insurgency.

"The Iraqi people voted for democracy last December -- 75 percent of the eligible citizens went to the polls to vote," he said. "Now the Iraqi leaders are working together to enact a government that reflects the will of the people. I'm encouraged by the progress."

Bush met Monday with NATO Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, and the president said he thanked NATO for helping train Iraqi security forces.

The president's address in Ohio was the latest in a series of speeches on the war. Last week, Bush argued that Iraqi security forces have shown they can handle tougher assignments and have reacted well during recent sectarian violence.

"The situation in Iraq is still tense, and we're still seeing acts of sectarian violence and reprisal," Bush said in Washington. "Yet out of this crisis, we've also seen signs of a hopeful future."

Although the president is upbeat about Iraq, a recent CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll indicates Americans are more pessimistic about the war and where Iraq is heading.

In the survey, 41 percent of respondents said the prospect of a U.S. victory is unlikely or certain not to happen. In a 2003 poll, 1 percent was sure of a U.S. defeat, with 3 percent saying a U.S. victory was unlikely.

Most of the people questioned March 10 to 12 -- 55 percent -- said they thought Iraq was heading for civil war, while 40 percent said the country could emerge with a stable government.

As of Monday, 2,316 U.S. troops have died in Iraq. Estimates of Iraqi dead range from about 30,000 to more than 100,000.



Any interesting thoughts on this article? Opinions?

This seems to be nice to hear since we've heard nothing but violence and bombers.

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As of Monday, 2,316 U.S. troops have died in Iraq. Estimates of Iraqi dead range from about 30,000 to more than 100,000.

I rest my case with Cindy Sheehan

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It's an interesting article
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Hey guys look at this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11971376/
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Rescued by the very people they called occupiers.

I'm not sure if anyone in here watches Bill O'Reilly but I caught his talking points memo yesterday and it showed GWB almost tearing this White House Reporter a new one. Bush really did a good job of taking her down. She kept trying to interrupt him and asked dumb questions like, "What was your REAL reason for going to war."
I can't find a transcript and the video is gone but it was a great thing to see.
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I did see that, but it was on the news. At least he took authority, and answered honestly (I hope).

If Bush does fulfil the promises he made in that press confrence, then I'm happy.
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