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| Iraq War; Think it'll end any time soon...? | |
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| Shadow Avenger | Mar 19 2006, 08:23 PM Post #46 |
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You can't get the troops out yet. Otherwise everything would be in vain. I've heard rumours of troops being out by next year. I know that sounds pretty far away but still, in a year most of the troops could be gone and the Iraqi security forces could be up in control. Not sure about civil war yet. I keep hearing both sides and I'm not sure who is right anymore. I still agree with the war and what is happening in Afghanistan. I almost laugh when I see the peace protests where they have signs that talk about leaving Iran alone. Perhaps if they see a mushroom cloud or feel their body get vaporized they'll think, "Maybe would SHOULD have done something about Iran..." If their Democrats they'll think, "Somehow this is OUR fault. WE did this to ourselves..." |
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| Al | Mar 20 2006, 12:42 AM Post #47 |
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Do you honestly think the US can handle two different middle eastern wars? Plus, the region is already pretty damn chaotic--an invasion in Iran would only serve to further destabilize the region. And there isn't even conclusive evidence that they ARE producing nukes. Hell, we already KNOW there were no WMDs in Iraq--what if the Iran nuke sitch is just another case of our government lying to us in order to get a war for GOD KNOWS WHY. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Mar 20 2006, 09:59 AM Post #48 |
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You must keep in mind that if the US decides to do any action against Iran, Israel and Germany will be backing them up. Lots of the intelligence agencies say that Iran could have nukes already if not later in the year. And if you've got a leader who's anti-Semetic and may have his finger on the button, I would be getting ready to take action as well. But right now, the biggest challenge Iran has right now is Israel, not the US. Truth be told, Iran should fear Israel more than the West. |
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| The Kaiser | Mar 20 2006, 02:56 PM Post #49 |
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It's logically almost-impossible to pull out by next year. I promise if we did, the country is going to swirl down into an abyss of civil war and bloodshed. There's not enough Iraqi Security trained to handle the various factions. The "rumors" you've heard are nothing but that, probably just said out by a political person or two to try to increase their re-election chances this year.
Civil Wars are already starting up in Iraq. Shiite and Shia factions are already targeting each other. The only thing seperating this from an actual civil war is neither of the two factions represent the government versus the would-be government.
Oh please. Iran knows damn well not to use nukes, because as soon as they do so, every single country in the world with their own nuke stockpile is going to go let loose and wipe them off the map. And on the nukes, yeah, it's not the best thing to let countries that could use nukes have them, but since when was the U.S. the world police, running around and telling who can have and who can't have? Technically, any country could use nukes, but guess what? None, except for the good ole' U.S. of A. has, to date, ever used one against any enemy nation. None, zero, finite. The U.S. has no moral high ground on who gets them and who doesn't. And seriously, stop blaming "OMG TEH DEMOCRATS" for every single little thing, considering that it was the Republicans who shot this economy with a surplus budget into the ground, and continue to spend like no tomorrow. Also, I don't see you out there fighting the wars, so it's pretty easy to let your fellow countrymen die in the name of "Security" and say that people against war aren't thinking in correct views or whatnot. If you were in the position to be one of the ground-stompers in Iraq, or a past war veteran, like most of the Democrats, not Republicans, are, then you'd understand why unless the nation's security is directly threatened, war is attempted to be avoided. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Mar 20 2006, 03:36 PM Post #50 |
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Good points...good points. I heard the thing about pulling up from a professor at the local University. English dude, seems pretty smart. Also heard it from a General in an interview he did with Russert. About Iran and the Democrats-first off, you're right, the US is not the police officer of the world. They shouldn't tell other countries who can and cannot have nukes. I assume that would be the UN's job because according to them, North Korea isn't allowed to have nuclear weapons yet we know Kim Jon(g) has them. We've known this for years and they have done nothing. Same with Iran. They've been talking about having nukes for almost 2 years and they're pretty close right now. Is the UN going to do anything? This also goes for the 12 UN weapons treaties that Saddam Violated between the Gulf War and the war when it started two years ago. The way I see it, the UN is just a babysitter who keeps drinking and passing out on the job and so the US has to do something because they're the only superpower left in the world. About the Democrat thing...I was joking. It was a reference to a joke someone posted in the Politics thread. Funny stuff, and if you look at that and my last post, the answers are pretty close so...a joke...I keed! Second, no way in hell am I going to Iraq. Why? Am I a coward? Uhh...yes and no. Second, I'm Canadian. My country is fighting the good fight in Afghanistan. But who knows...now that we have a conservative government and have become "George W Bush's latest conquest" (according to Michael Moore-what a dumb@ss), we may go into Iraq. I doubt we will. And besides, if I were in Iraq, I think you would miss me, Kaiser. Plus I gotta finish Raging Beast Boy and I can't do that while fighting Al Sadar's goons. PS: Al Sadar in the Iraqi language means 'breasts'. Funny |
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| The Kaiser | Mar 20 2006, 03:47 PM Post #51 |
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And who was it that gave Saddam weapons capable of high destruction? Rumsfeld, the Administration during the Iraq-Iran war. If anyone shouldb e blamed for Iraq having "Weapons of Mass destruction". it's the people who gave them to Saddam when he was considered a "friend" of the U.S. during the Cold War. And secondly, Iran has been speaking of "Nuclear power" not nukes themselves. Yes, thin line and all that crap, but they haven't been going out and talking about getting nukes themselves, moreso nuclear power. Yet still, who's to say the which country should be allowed a nuclear device, and which country shouldn't? The U.S. I remind you again is the only country to have ever used a nuclear device against another one. Not North Korea, not Iran, not Russia, and not China. The United States. If there's any country who shouldn't therefore be running around saying who can't/can it's the U.S. The U.N. has issued the rules out, if North Korea doesn't follow them, then something should be done. But it should be under the United Nations control, not the President of the United States running hotseat out and ignoring U.N. rules and regulations. The U.N. directed actions in North Korea and Kuwait, not to mention numerous other ones. Despite the mishaps, corruptions inside of it, and ignorings of Genocide in Sudan, the U.N. still should not be ignored just so another country can go to war for a reason not completely justified. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Mar 20 2006, 04:00 PM Post #52 |
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Well I would rather have the US be the police than have to wait for the stench of corruption from the UN to die down enough so that they can help us in the tiniest way. And how was the US to know that Saddam was going to turn around and be a dink? And while they might be partially to blame, how did they know that he would use them on his own people? I mean, would you use a WMD on your own people? And yes, the US did use a nuke and are the only country to do so. But isn't it also true that Japan was developing it's own atomic bomb? |
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| The Kaiser | Mar 20 2006, 04:09 PM Post #53 |
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1st)Uhh, no, it was Germany that tried to develop their own bomb. We dropped it on Japan only because we wanted the war over with before the U.S.S.R. was into Japan. Secondly, the U.N. is a good deal less corrupt than the current Administration of the United States is. The U.S., contrary to most American beliefs, is not the ultimate good guy in the world, especially to their own citizens. Look how many jobs have been lost due to "the greatness of outsourcing" or how the much-vaunted idea that "less taxes, more spending is good!" is thrown around, not to mention numerous treaties the U.S. has not signed for human rights and protection of the enviroment that the U.N. has on the table. And how were the politicians supposed to know Saddam would do that. He's a DICTATOR! Why in the first place were we even giving away weapons of biologicial and mass destruction in the first place?! If these weapons are so horrific, why even permit them to dictators, who aren't going to be held in checks because there are none in his country! You don't do crap like that, they're called dictators for a reason. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Mar 20 2006, 04:13 PM Post #54 |
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I can't really answer why the administration gave them the weapons in the first place. Ah, it was the Germans. I now recall Truman's annoucement, "We won the race of discovery against the Germans." The UN is less corrupt than the Bush Administration? Ha! That's so funny I forgot to laugh...excluding that first 'ha'. Take a look at the oil for food scandal. Saddam embezzled over 32 Billion dollars. Man...you can do a lot with that money...you could...feed a Middle Eastern country. The UN was being bribbed by Saddam. That's why you need Kofi Annan out of there and his son Kojo too. |
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| The Kaiser | Mar 20 2006, 04:21 PM Post #55 |
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And Bush was giving away "aid" money to the Taliban a couple months before 9/11 occured, not to mention we continue to support Saudi Arabia, which is one of the most oppressive nations on the Earth in regards to women's rights. And then there were a good deal of files Bush had hidden with all of his father's dealings in Saudi Arabia. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Mar 20 2006, 04:38 PM Post #56 |
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I haven't found anything about Bush giving money to the Taliban yet so I'll have to get back to you on that one. Look, lots of countries are close with Saudi Arabia as were lots of American Presidents. Prince Bandar has been a bipartisan Washington broker for years and Clinton relied on Bandar's advice to advance his own Middle East agenda. |
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| Bluemage14 | Mar 20 2006, 04:40 PM Post #57 |
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I have a question, The Kaiser. Are you proud of your country? |
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| Shadow Avenger | Mar 20 2006, 04:47 PM Post #58 |
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Wow...I didn't think other people came here. Well, even though the question isn't directed at me, I'd say yes, I'm proud of Canada and the US. They are a shining beacon of freedom to the world |
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| Bluemage14 | Mar 20 2006, 04:56 PM Post #59 |
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Oh good, then I'm not the only one. And TK left, so I guess he kind of voided the question. |
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| Shadow Avenger | Mar 20 2006, 05:03 PM Post #60 |
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Nice to see I'm not the only member of the minority. Tell me, are you proud of your country? And what do you think of people like Michael Moore and Cindy Sheehan? |
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