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| Get rid of the Spam Pit; A suggestion | |
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| Mordus | Apr 2 2008, 07:36 PM Post #61 |
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Indeed but you are not allowed to post anything in any way you want, and that constitutes freedom of expression. |
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| chadden | Apr 2 2008, 07:38 PM Post #62 |
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Sunny, you can't see what's appealing about the Spam Pit? Well other people can. If you hate the Spam Pit so much then stay out of it and let others have their fun. It offers complete freedom of speech, and I for one like having that as an option. Off Topic and the Spam Pit are different, and you should know that better than any of us. In Off Topic, people talk about subjects that don't fit into any other forum. In the Spam Pit, people can talk about whatever they want. It doesn't have to be a serious topic, it doesn't have to have any degree of meaning or sanity behind it. Just because you can't see the appeal doesn't mean there isn't one. |
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| Lord Sunnycool | Apr 2 2008, 07:49 PM Post #63 |
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Fair enough - if I hadn't seen that some people would like it, I would not have allowed the damned thing in the fist place. It is when people start abusing it and filling forum pages with topics regarding the same topic that I get pissed because I sincerely see no appeal in that. That is why I brought it up now. I did not give a damn about the Spam Pit, did not visit it untill I saw a topic named Nightwish (or one of the band members - I do not remember) as "most recently posted in" topic on the forum index. I like Nightwish, so I go see the topic. Then I click Spam Pit after that (I always go one step back to ensure I have read everything in any given forum) and then I saw multiple of these topics and that pissed me off. Do you see what I mean? And just a few minutes ago three clone topics were made. Where is the appeal in that? Please tell me, Chadden. |
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| chadden | Apr 2 2008, 08:04 PM Post #64 |
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You really don't get it, do you? The appeal of the Spam Pit, of the whole concept of spam, is simply the freedom to do it. How many people have been offended by the Spam Pit? |
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| Mordus | Apr 2 2008, 08:04 PM Post #65 |
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The appeal lies only in pissing you off Sunny. That much is evident. Don't give in to that though. |
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| Lord Sunnycool | Apr 2 2008, 08:40 PM Post #66 |
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No, I don't and neither do I have to. The poll decides its fate. 50 % want it removed - I do not know how many are offended, but I can see how many do not have anything against it being deleted. If we keep it, however, I kindly ask all those who find the freedom of the spam pit so orgasmatic to not abuse it and not make spam like Lathaon did. As it would limit your freedom, I will not forbid you to make millions of similiar topics (don't want to halt your orgasm), but I ask you not to do it. I hope we can all still be friends :rolleyes: I must say that as much as you suceed to annoy me, Mordus, I still enjoyed this discussion, because it reminded me of the good old days of TWC where such discussions happened all the time. Does not mean you aren't an asshole, Mordus. Don't worry
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| chadden | Apr 2 2008, 08:46 PM Post #67 |
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This is your justification for deleting the Spam Pit? You consider the fact that people have nothing against it being deleted a good argument? |
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| Lord Sunnycool | Apr 2 2008, 08:51 PM Post #68 |
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No - that's not my justification. I think we have been through this quite a few times. I am just saying that if a majority want it gone - it goes to the dust bin. Haven't seen you posting a lot in the Pit anyways. As a matter of fact - besides one single topic, I really can not think of much activity by you freedom-fanatics. That is my justification - the only topic that was active was all right for Off Topic. So why keep a forum, which no one uses. By all means - if people really think that they will use it, fine! If they will abuse it (as Jonnathon so artistically has done and B.A. attempted to do as well), then it's not fine! Simple as that. You never answered the question in this quote:
Does that mean that seeing 20 clone topics does not appeal to you? Or have you not made up an answer yet?
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| chadden | Apr 2 2008, 08:58 PM Post #69 |
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I gave my answer; the appeal is the freedom to do it. |
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| Lord Sunnycool | Apr 2 2008, 09:06 PM Post #70 |
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So you get pleasure from doing it? You enjoy reading it? You are telling me it is fun, right? You are telling me that it's cool to do it because you are allowed to so let's just do that sort of stuff for the sake of it? Because you are allowed to. Woah. |
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| chadden | Apr 2 2008, 09:07 PM Post #71 |
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Clearly my words are wasted on you, so go ahead and do whatever you want. I don't care anymore. |
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"Stand against me if you must, for of course you will. Conflict is just another part of this flawed reality. You need to cling to your concepts and purposes, your feeble honour and glory. None of it serves any purpose in the end. And the end draws close." - Krodalis Thaendil. "It really is amazing; she killed Kelan Wealer, not that I am complaining, but then the order welcomed her as their new leader. It makes one wonder if I were to ram a blade down her throat, would the monks then follow my commands?" - Mordain Thaendil. One of the Last Guardians. Suck it. | |
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| Hotshot | Apr 2 2008, 09:14 PM Post #72 |
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Sunny, you ask why have it...but why delete it? It's not like it detracts from the forum. If you don't like it, stay out of it. It doesn't interest me, so I don't post in it, but it doesn't bother me either. |
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| Mordus | Apr 2 2008, 09:14 PM Post #73 |
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Sunny you dickwad. |
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| Lathaon | Apr 2 2008, 09:22 PM Post #74 |
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Sunny, most of your own counter-arguments could not even be considered arguments. Try putting some reasons in there rather than just basically saying it's pointless, it annoys you, and you do not understand why people appreciate it, and dismissing our own arguments as if they do not matter. We have already said, as have you, that members should not look in the spam pit unless they are prepared for spam. If shouldn't really matter what the topic title happens to be, especially when there is already a topic about Nightwish in the Music forum! So you look in the spam pit, expect the same as off topic, and then you find out that the spam pit is the spam pit, not off topic, and then you blame others for putting this in a place which you created for that purpose! Hey, look! The introductions forum isn't very active, even though there are posts in it from time to time! Let's make a poll and try to delete it! <_< |
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| Alex | Apr 2 2008, 10:30 PM Post #75 |
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This is escalating fast out of hand. Please calm down, this can easily turn from a heated debate into a flame war, and this is exactly what we aim to avoid. The Spam Forum has always been a centre of much controversy and always will be. Whatever side anyone argues for, there are always going to be positives and negatives that are fairly even in distribution. There at plenty of reasons to delete the forum - such as it would possibly improve the quality of posts overall, and the forum itself is not especially active to warrant its own category. On the other hand, there are plenty of reasons to keep it - it encourages people to spam in a certified area keeping things cleaner on the remainder of the site as well as offering people the possibility of posting what they want. However - is this not the role of the Off-Topic forums? In my opinion, there is need for only one change. The spam forum to be abolished and all discussions that were once in there be moved into Off-Topic. Once that is done, we can continue as per normal, though the rules in Off-Topic would have to become slightly less strict to allow some enjoyment whilst posting but also keeping forum fundamentals such as no double-posting, flaming and so on and so forth. We aren't ever going to rid of the spam, so we have to make a choice. Keep the spam forum as it is, merge it with off-topic, or possibly face losing members. |
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| Mordus | Apr 2 2008, 10:38 PM Post #76 |
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I would like to make it clear that I don't actualy care either way. It would not hinder me if the spam pit was to be removed, I would simply carry on with my verbal plague regardless. It is on behalf of the best interests of others that I would like to keep it. |
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| Hotshot | Apr 2 2008, 10:42 PM Post #77 |
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There is no point to deleting it. People have fun in it so let them have their fun in the designated forum. Does it detract from TWC? No. My posts are not lessened by the fact that the forum exists. My activity is not lessened by the fact that the forum exists. Neither is anyone else's. It doesn't have a point, but it's one of those pointless things that people can have fun with. I love pointless things that people have fun with, and even though I don't use the spam pit, I say we keep it because even if you cannot be convinvced to keep it, there is no real legitimate reason to get rid of it. |
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| No Freakin' Clue | Apr 3 2008, 12:12 AM Post #78 |
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While I don't like it, I must say that JimJim, Chadden, Mordus etc make an excellent argument. |
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| Lord Sunnycool | Apr 3 2008, 07:38 AM Post #79 |
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Because nobody posted in it until Lathaon's spam attack. That's why. Noone used it until Lathaon abused it. I don't want to have useless forums. Almost none of the people argumenting for it even use it. Nobody has fun in it from what I have seen. The last post in there is from february. Two months ago. Only that "Ban" topic was active (as I have said a thousand times) and it was all right for Off Topic anyways. You people defend someone else's case. Rudder, you asked me why delete it. I ask you why keep it when no one uses it! IF people decide to have their completely free fun in there, fair enough! Then we will keep it. If people think that posting 20 topics about 20 Nightwish songs, 5 topics about Nightwish band members and 3 topics about the same WHAM song, then that's fine. I find it weird, but if you want it, keep it. But I will take it out as a sub-forum from Off Topic because I do not want to have these crappy topics on the front page of Off Topic. It will be a separate forum at the bottom of the page and if people want to waste time there, they can do it. I am fighting a lone battle and I see that I can not get my opinion through, but now you know what I think and I will do what I just stated. I will wait a bit, but I doubt things will change. You will keep your Spam Pit and the place where peple (if any are interested) can get the spam out of their system. |
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| Mordus | Apr 3 2008, 01:13 PM Post #80 |
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Smells of Hypocricy. We can all see where you are comming from with the argument over forum aesthetics, both visual and litterary, and it is valid. The fact of the matter is that the argument pales in comparison to what is important, i.e the right to express ourselfs unhindered. Wheather we do so regularily or not does not detract from the right to do so. Can you honestly say both sides carry equal weight? I can not. |
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