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| The Silmarillion; Have you read it? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jul 26 2006, 10:17 PM (351 Views) | |
| Loter | Jul 26 2006, 10:17 PM Post #1 |
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Yes, and it's brilliant IMO! Great writing and really detailed. |
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| Alex | Jul 26 2006, 10:17 PM Post #2 |
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I read it. Nothing special, just a load of stories compiled. The Siege of Gondolin was good though, because Glorfindel was in it |
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| Lord Sunnycool | Jul 31 2006, 09:26 AM Post #3 |
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No, but I will |
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| Ariakas | Aug 13 2006, 07:08 PM Post #4 |
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Nothing special? The book is great! It really is special! Have you ever read a fiction-book that is like The Silmarillion. |
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| Lord Sunnycool | Aug 13 2006, 07:14 PM Post #5 |
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Can you explain what is special about it? The language? The stories? I am just curious. |
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| Mordus | Aug 13 2006, 07:34 PM Post #6 |
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It describes everything!! From creation to the beginnings of the ring. It's like the LOTR Bible. |
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| Ariakas | Aug 13 2006, 07:39 PM Post #7 |
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Simply because I have never read anything like it. But to give a more in-deepth answer. It is partly the way it is comprimised. The Silmarillion is, as Alex puts it, not one story. But many different ones. Or rather, in some cases, many tales. These tales/chapters/parts/stories are very different. The first part of the book, Ainulindalė, is written like a myth about creation. There are no mortal characters, all of them are divine. Many consider this part boring, but I think it's very interesting. It's a very original creation myth. And it shows that Tolkien actually did come up with a lot of ideas himself. Music is one of the most creative arts practiced by humans, and in Ainulindalė is created through music. But I don't think we can understand what's really going on in Ainulindalė, that's what makes it powerfull. The characters are divine, the actions are divine and the story is divine. Valaquenta however, I find boring. Mainly because it's just information that I have read so many times already. It's not really a story, rather a piece of info that links Ainulindalė with Quenta Silmarillion. Quenta Silmarillion is the real main part of the "the Silmarillion". The rest of it is just additions. It consisist of at least eighteen chapters (I think), and those chapters are quite different so that there is something for everyone there. The true epics in the book is the tragedy about Tśrin Turambar, and the tale about Beren & Luthien. I love both of these. Both of these are easily read as a stand-alone stories, so that you guys does not have to read the whole book. You could just read the tales here and there. That's worth it. Buy or borrow the Silmarillion and read just one of these stories, and you have already made a great deal. The stories in Quenta Silmarillion is written in a very old-fashioned way. Some people think that the way Quenta Silmarillion is written is very similiar too the Bible, but I don't find it that way. The tale about the Fall of Gondolin is too short in my opinion. That's more like a myth again (considered the speed the story goes with), and it's more like a epic black & white-story instead of the emotional, action/drama-tragedy it could have been. ![]() Read the stuff about the Fall of Gondolin and Tuor in Unfinished Tales and The History of Middle-Earth. Akallabźth is the fourth part of the book. It tells the story about Fall of the Kingdom of Nśmenor. It is pretty clearly based on the tale of Atlantis, and that makes it only more intriguing. To get even more about the story about Turin Turambar read Narn i Hīn Hśrin from Unfinished Tales. But above all else: You DON'T have to read the whole book. You can read a lot of the stories separatly. |
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| Lord Sunnycool | Aug 13 2006, 07:40 PM Post #8 |
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Ah I see - sounds like an interesting read. Indeed unique. So it's a collection of different "divine or less divine" stories about Middle Earth. |
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| Ariakas | Aug 13 2006, 07:44 PM Post #9 |
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Ainulindalė is a "divine story". Most of the stories in the rest of the book except in the beginning of Quenta Silmarillion is about mortal people. |
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| Lord Sunnycool | Aug 13 2006, 07:46 PM Post #10 |
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All right - I get it now. |
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| Hotshot | Aug 13 2006, 08:33 PM Post #11 |
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It is a chore to read. It doesn't read like a story, it reads like a history book. I stopped reading because it never grabbed my attention, it was just a long series of events. |
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| Mordus | Aug 13 2006, 09:02 PM Post #12 |
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Thats what i thought which is why i don't remember much of it. I find the enigma behind 40K fiction much more attractive and enthraling. |
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| Lathaon | Aug 14 2006, 03:58 PM Post #13 |
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I voted "No, it's crap" because there wasn't just a plain "no" <_< |
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| chadden | Aug 14 2006, 04:16 PM Post #14 |
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I started reading it, but I didn't like it so I never finished it. Didn't get very far. Like Rudder said, it reads like a history book. I never found it interesting. |
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| Ariakas | Aug 14 2006, 04:21 PM Post #15 |
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You can't say you read it like a history book. If you read the whole The Silmarillion as a history book, then you read the whole Lord of the Rings as a history book. |
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| Mordus | Aug 14 2006, 04:32 PM Post #16 |
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The two do not read the same. |
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| Ariakas | Aug 14 2006, 04:44 PM Post #17 |
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Yes, but big parts do. |
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| Mordus | Aug 14 2006, 04:55 PM Post #18 |
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Then you'll excuse chadden as he didin't read all of it. |
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| Ariakas | Aug 14 2006, 05:03 PM Post #19 |
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But what part of it is it that really reads like a history book then? |
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| Mordus | Aug 15 2006, 04:47 PM Post #20 |
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I honestly can't remember 'coz it was so long ago. I might find it more interesting now that im older, who knows. |
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