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| Drake2 | Apr 17 2011, 09:34 AM Post #16 |
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I found a historical list of Russia's population in less than 5 minutes, so for most nations, it shouldn't be too hard (especially as any nations under imperial rule would most likely have had some form of census). I was also planning on basing it off of the population around 1900-1910 because of our steam engine-driven technology increase to about the level of WWI.
That the problem, any new players to NS will be pretty screwed in a world full of economies like that.
I don't want to be able to steamroll over everybody else either. What I do want is to have a realistically large empire that has some power on the world stage instead of being limited to North-Eastern Europe. |
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| The Raj | Apr 17 2011, 11:00 AM Post #17 |
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Well, I'd be fine with that, but what I meant was for new fictional countries, like Chroshak. Russia's population would be easy enough to find, sure, but what about the population of those three regions which you actually claim at the moment, or if a nation claimed (for example) one region in France, one in North-West Italy, and one in Northern Spain? It would make using RL populations a lot harder. However, as I say, I'd be able to do it fine, since I alone have claimed (almost) all of a RL nation, the British Raj, so RL census population will be easy for me, I was just considering some of the strange nations which may form, and those that will only be made up of certain regions. I got 250 Million for British India in 1900, and 132 Million for the Russian Empire in 1900, but that was all of Russia. Do you know how many actually lived in your claimed regions? Because using the RL populations, Chroshak is going to be a big, empty nation with an economy that is largely non-existant, and no means of power projection with which to expand. Edited by The Raj, Apr 17 2011, 11:12 AM.
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God Save His Imperial Majesty, by the Grace of God, the White Maharajah, King-Emperor Victor-Ji IV of the Kingdom of Bengal and the Indian Empire, Khan-Sahib of the Dominon of the Holy Raj, Kaiser-I-Hind. "It is only when you get to see and realise what India really is - that she is the strength and greatness of England - it is only then that you feel that every nerve a man may strain, every energy he may put forward cannot be devoted to a nobler purpose than keeping tight the cords that hold India to Ourselves" - Lord Curzon, Viceroy of India, 1898-1905. | |
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| Drake2 | Apr 17 2011, 01:58 PM Post #18 |
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Most census reports have the results broken down by region, the Russian Imperial Census (Link here) that I'm going to be basing things off of has a breakdown. And if your nation combines several former empires, then you should be able to combine regional censuses.
See above.
Yeah, for some nations, we'll have to do some making up of numbers, but its still better than NS population (unless your NS population is reasonable, which probably means that you've been playing for less than a month.) Edited by Drake2, Apr 17 2011, 01:59 PM.
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| The Raj | Apr 17 2011, 02:39 PM Post #19 |
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Well, in that case, I am happy to use the RL population of British India in 1900. As for the proceedure for claiming land, working out the results of wars, and economic strength, I still feel that we need new systems for these issues. |
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God Save His Imperial Majesty, by the Grace of God, the White Maharajah, King-Emperor Victor-Ji IV of the Kingdom of Bengal and the Indian Empire, Khan-Sahib of the Dominon of the Holy Raj, Kaiser-I-Hind. "It is only when you get to see and realise what India really is - that she is the strength and greatness of England - it is only then that you feel that every nerve a man may strain, every energy he may put forward cannot be devoted to a nobler purpose than keeping tight the cords that hold India to Ourselves" - Lord Curzon, Viceroy of India, 1898-1905. | |
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| Zraeln | Apr 18 2011, 04:28 PM Post #20 |
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Um...so why did we not...i dunno, take the massive well developed and nicely divided map they had on the other steampunk forum? I'm playing with my territory from that map, or I'm not playing. |
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| The Raj | Apr 18 2011, 05:49 PM Post #21 |
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Well, when you attempt to access that old forum, I get a message saying that it doesn't exist... but I wouldn't mind, so long as I get India still... |
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God Save His Imperial Majesty, by the Grace of God, the White Maharajah, King-Emperor Victor-Ji IV of the Kingdom of Bengal and the Indian Empire, Khan-Sahib of the Dominon of the Holy Raj, Kaiser-I-Hind. "It is only when you get to see and realise what India really is - that she is the strength and greatness of England - it is only then that you feel that every nerve a man may strain, every energy he may put forward cannot be devoted to a nobler purpose than keeping tight the cords that hold India to Ourselves" - Lord Curzon, Viceroy of India, 1898-1905. | |
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| Chroshak | Apr 19 2011, 04:17 PM Post #22 |
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Well, if you guys want, Chroshak can be a weak fringe state. I don't really care. I think the Nation states population should be cut, while the Social and Economic factors should be kept. The political factors should be decided by the people. The Populations should be fitting. Chroshak, In my mind is a center for trade. If you guys don't like that or think that's to OP, I'll change it. The reason Chroshak seems appealing to me is with Steampunk technology, I can easily make the land in Chroshak highly habital and industrious. I don't think it would be an Industrious Epicenter, because Zraeln's economy is roughly I'd say 12% bigger then mine, but it could be influenced. Also Kuwait States and The Royal Army and others would be tremendously powerful and industrious for their small country sizes. I mean they have incredible GDP's that in comparison by Capita to me and Zralens, Dwarf us. They are a highly productive people which would help them maintain dominance. Populations are also a negative as with positive if you guys look at the factors of disease and Revolution ect... |
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| Drake2 | Apr 19 2011, 05:04 PM Post #23 |
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I don't necessarily want this, although if you want to try playing with a Chroshak like that, I won't argue, how you handle your nation should be up to you.
I agree with the first and last parts, but I still don't agree with using the NS stats. I don't think that your economy here should be dictated by exaggerated issues that can give you a very strong economy quite easily, but can tear it down just as easily.
This is exactly what I mean by making up your own economy. Having a rough basis (Strong economy, weak economy, average economy, etc.) and maybe some important industries or natural resources. If you want to have more information than those basics (GDP, exact budgets, etc.) then go ahead if that's what you enjoy RPing into your nation; but in most cases, that kind of stuff probably won't come up in an RP.
If Zralen, Kuwait, and Royal Army want to RP as having super-strong economies, then they can, but if they want to be more average (economically) nations that differ from what the NS stats say, they should be able to do that as well.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. |
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| The Raj | Apr 20 2011, 05:40 AM Post #24 |
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God Save His Imperial Majesty, by the Grace of God, the White Maharajah, King-Emperor Victor-Ji IV of the Kingdom of Bengal and the Indian Empire, Khan-Sahib of the Dominon of the Holy Raj, Kaiser-I-Hind. "It is only when you get to see and realise what India really is - that she is the strength and greatness of England - it is only then that you feel that every nerve a man may strain, every energy he may put forward cannot be devoted to a nobler purpose than keeping tight the cords that hold India to Ourselves" - Lord Curzon, Viceroy of India, 1898-1905. | |
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| Drake2 | Apr 20 2011, 11:27 AM Post #25 |
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To quote specific parts you use the "Quote" button at the top. [quote]It should look like this on the screen before you post it.[/quote] And I would be fine with using the RL strength of economies, with perhaps some form of customization to allow people to RP the nation they want to RP. |
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| The Raj | Apr 20 2011, 11:37 AM Post #26 |
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Ah, thank you. I've been wondering that for a while...
Yeah, that sounds fine. As long as they can justify it IC, as opposed to "We found a huge gold mine under portugal, suddenly making us the richest nation in the world" |
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| Drake2 | Apr 21 2011, 12:29 AM Post #27 |
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Okay, it looks like we're running along roughly the same lines here. |
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| Greater-Austria | Apr 21 2011, 07:54 AM Post #28 |
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Sooo, hi guys =D i claim for the Holy Empire of Greater Austria the historical properties of austria-hungary ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Location_Austria-Hungary.png ) plus Northern - Italy, serbia, montenegro, some parts of eastern-prussia and some parts of bulgaria - if this is acceptable. Sorry for my bad english^^ |
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| Drake2 | Apr 21 2011, 10:05 AM Post #29 |
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Once we figure out a satisfactory system for the map, then sure. Also, Chroshak, I just looked at the new map, and why are Sweden and Finland still one territory? |
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| The Raj | Apr 27 2011, 04:39 AM Post #30 |
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Well, that's good to know then. I've been away for some time, have I missed any major developments, or are we still wrangling with the map? |
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