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Battle Royale Mafia Game Thread
Topic Started: Jan 26 2017, 10:53 PM (13,718 Views)
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Gonna VOTE: VYSEPRESIDENT because eeeeeeey, we might as well get the inevitable over with, right buddy? :3

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Kinda side-eyeing Deamon to be honest. This is pretty typical Lore shenanigans and I'm not reading it as the beginning of anything serious. Deamon's post seems to suggest he thinks it's an indication that joke voting is already over and Lore/Zetsu are seriously going at it. It's a little bit of soft reframing that feels potentially scummy to me.
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General Goose
Jan 27 2017, 04:02 PM
Have I ever admitted that I've never actually watched/read Battle Royale before

because here it is
Oh goodie are we finally airing out this sin? I read like half of the manga before finding SotF through its tropes page and becoming waaaay more interested.
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Brackie
Jan 28 2017, 06:38 AM
Don't have anything to say yet but I will point out that asking a bunch of pointless questions and having people respond to it is a very good way of drumming up what looks like activity when in all actuality you're not doing anything. :)
Gonna defend this a bit actually. Asking these sorts of questions cares less about the actual answers and more about how you answer. It's a game within a game. The activity it drums up helps get a feel for what kind of style everyone's bringing to the game this round and where their head's at and lets you draw some meta conclusions from there, and gives you a sort of neutral state to test them against later on when things start getting real heated with giving and taking pressure. It's also a good way to catch scum eager beavers who wanna earn a lot of town points and be a Totally Normal Citizen, Yo way too hard.

Brackie could be scum, or could be rusty, or could just not play the meta game. Right now I'm leaning towards A or C. Shade's fun and all but throwing critiques about activity without alternatives is either a bad town play or a good scum play because it knots up discussion. So far he's at the top of my suspect's list 'cuz I don't really care about inactives at this phase and the rest of the people pinging me are the usual crew below.

I'm a little less suspicious of the cut of Deamon's jib at this point since it seems like it's just Deamon doing Deamon things. Grim's pinging me but it's another one of those cases where Grim ALWAYS pings me and he's almost always town when I'm riding him so I'm willing to just let that one lie as a gut instinct for now. Same for Frogue, Gramps is just a slippery creature that's hard to keep a finger on in any context. All three have potential to flip scum in my opinion, but that comes with a big ol' scoop of salt because, like, I think they're scum every time.
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Unvote: VysePresident

Vote: Brackie.

Scummy non-committal bullshit is scummy. ;)
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Getting some maximally ungroovy vibes from this random push on Zetsu. Among Riki, Vyse, and Gramps, somebody is scum. 99% sure of that. Hard to tell which one, good reasons for all three, someone please poke me if I forget to expand when I get home tonight.
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So, quick and dirty breakdown. The absolute best option for scum during a dayphase is a mislynch, and good scum are always looking for a chance to start pressure on somebody and get a good train going. Especially somebody relatively new, because they might just crumple under that pressure. You waste some town time, and if you're lucky you can get that golden mislynch out of it. I think given the immediate response from Gramps and Biki to Vyse's initial push, somebody in that group is scum looking for that mislynch.

Vyse Scum Pros: Vyse starts this kinda random push on Zetsu and opens the door for more pressure. He's super good at this kind of thing and it's a very Vyse tactic, especially because Zetsu is giving him some pushback. Vyse doesn't go hard on this particular push, so it leaves a lot of room for over-eager town or other scum to over commit and get the work done while his hands stay clean.

Vyse Scum Cons: I think Vyse is coming off genuinely real confused. That could be good acting, but there's a difference between Vyse when he's pretending to not know what's going on and when he just straight doesn't. I'm feeling the latter case right here. He also doesn't nurse this as well as he should and backs off of it a little too easily. There are two good reasons he might do this: he's town who is fishing, or he's scum and other scum is on the train and getting too hot. If Vyse flips scum, I really wanna look at Frogue as a suspect as well.

Gramps Scum Pros: There are two big things here. The first is that Gramps follows up on the push that Vyse starts and gives it most of its momentum. He goes real hard on this, and it feels like proactive scum gunning for the lynch way over-eagerly. Before it was just pinging me, but with the committal that went on afterwards this feels really strongly like a scum move to me and Gramps has become my prime suspect for day one. I am not liking what I'm seeing one bit from a town perspective.

Gramps Scum Cons: So, here's the thing. Gramps is kind of an argumentative uppity git in general, and usually for literally no reason? Like, I can't count the number of intense arguments we've had where it turns out neither of us really knows anything or gives that much of a shit about the position we're defending. So I look at this with a grain of salt and have to wonder if he's actually trying to accomplish something with the Zetsu thing(because if he is, it's almost definitely a scum move), or he's just being himself and getting into a fight because there's somebody willing to fight back and he really wants to be right. It's hard to say, but I'm leaning towards scum for safety.

Biki Scum Pros: Biki wears his intent pretty plainly in the one post he gives. It looks a lot like solo scum chiming in trying to get that lynch pressure rolling now that Vyse and Gramps have started to commit. He's not looking to be the driving force here, and he even backs off relatively quickly and tries to distance himself from the wagon, but it's a post with a loooot of maneuverability, and that makes me squint. Had people not stuck up for Zetsu and pushed back with confusion and a need for explanation, it left him in a pretty good spot to keep fueling while maintaining minimal contact. I think if Biki does flip scum, he's probably in it alone and Vyse and Gramps are good. Always a chance not, but that's my gut read.

Biki Scum Cons: He might be telling the truth. His contribution is ambiguous enough that you definitely can't say he pushed as hard as Vyse or Frogue. I don't trust that backing out, but I also don't feel strongly enough to nail him.

So, in order of suspicion:

Frogue

Biki

Vyse

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VOTE: FROGUE
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Brackie
Jan 28 2017, 09:43 PM
Whoops been a long time since I was ninja'd like that, top score.

Anyways, what made me fall off your suspects list, Paige? That in itself actually makes me suspicious.
You're still on it. You're just not pertinent to the Zetsu discussion. You're scum #2 behind Gramps.
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Jan 28 2017, 09:38 PM
Hey Paige, have you got any reads on people other than those three?
Will probably do a full read list tomorrow when I'm not about to go to bed, for now no strong townreads, townleans for Vyse/Zetsu, suspicions on Biki/Grim, scumreads on Gramps/Brackie.
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Chasing Flare is making me more suspicious of Vyse. He should know better by now. This happens to Flare every game and it so rarely ever ends in him actually being scum. I'll need to ISO Flare when I have more free time to see if there's actually something out of the ordinary worth chasing, but for now this isn't looking fantastic.
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Jan 29 2017, 02:50 PM
I also don't like how Doc is auto-townreading weaker players. He should know better by now. -_-
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Not auto-townreading, I just learn from history. Flare may or may not be scum, but he also has a tendency to look like scum no matter what. As such I feel like there's better targets to chase on day one where the town is most vulnerable to an easy mislynch.
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I do wanna reiterate my thing with the Vyse/Flare conflict is less "Flare isn't scummy and we should all ignore him" and more "this is strike 2 of Vyse going hard on a distracting push out of nowhere." I think we've already got good leads, especially with Frogue, and Vyse steering completely clear of him and just kinda blowing off all of that makes me suspect that Vyse and Frogue are scum buddies. I'm a big fan of getting that Frogue lynch today, as I feel he's the one that's most suspicious out of the pair, and if he does flip scum I wanna look at Vyse next.
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Vyse reads his detractors as scum. In other news, water is wet. ;)

Deamon's actually pushing some activity along pretty well, giving a soft town-read there. Flare and Espi are still nulls, I'm having a hard time getting a good pulse on either of them.
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Jan 30 2017, 08:29 PM
Doc reframes me calling out Flare for scumreading a detractor and a vulnerable target as me being the one scumreading detractors. In other news, I knew a cooperative Doc was too good to be true.

(In the spirit of screw the torpedos, and a bonus helping of irony, your Town is in serious need of renewal. You are buddying past the point of reason, and I'm getting really annoyed at being told who I can and can't scumread when you don't even have a read yourself. -_-)

Your reads have stagnated on Frogue, and I'm not seeing it.
Oh honey, when have I ever been cooperative? It's not in my nature.

Still not taking the obvious bait here, though. Vyse is playing a pretty typical scum game for when he's caught off guard and trying to create distractions wherever he can. He's fighting the battle for Gramps, who hasn't chimed in at all since the Zetsu push, while trying to mention him as little as possible and claim any pushes on him are "weak" or "stagnant" or he "just doesn't get them."

It's pretty blatant scum buddying. Don't let him distract you. Frogue's our guy.
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I'm real confused why people keep thinking I'm defending Flare. I've repeatedly said Flare looks weird and my entire objection is the fact that Vyse is super dismissive of the Frogue lynch without explanation while trying to pivot attention towards other lynches. That's sketchy to me and makes me feel like Vyse is playing public defender for the scum team. I dunno if Flare is scummy or not because I've been deliberately ignoring that tunnelfight to try and keep from getting sucked into Vyse's typical game. I think it's a mistake, but if we're getting information off of it then that's better than nothing.
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