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Rooster Teeth Mafia Game Thread; LEEEEEEET'S PLAY
Topic Started: Mar 20 2016, 12:59 PM (4,621 Views)
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I will try and not leap towards a certain conclusion, but Frogue strikes me as fairly trustworthy. Claiming the miller outright is a common strategy, I think, so this doesn't strike me as some sort of ploy.
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Unless Frogue knows that it's a common strat and is seeking to emulate it. I dunno the culture of Mafia psychology on this site because noob but taking an immediate stance on something strikes me as mind gaming more than it does being legit. I'd argue that miller as a role stands to benefit more from not revealing themselves initially than revealing, dependent on what other roles Paige has tossed into the mix.
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Mar 21 2016, 06:06 PM
Unless Frogue knows that it's a common strat and is seeking to emulate it. I dunno the culture of Mafia psychology on this site because noob but taking an immediate stance on something strikes me as mind gaming more than it does being legit. I'd argue that miller as a role stands to benefit more from not revealing themselves initially than revealing, dependent on what other roles Paige has tossed into the mix.
I... disagree heavily with this.

The thing is, if a miller claims after being investigated, they look like mafia trying a gambit to live. If they claim day one, the cop has the option of instantly sanity-checking (because whether the miller is lying or not, they'll detect as scum), and the seed is planted. Millers who claim still tend to come under suspicion for precisely the reasons one might expect, and by claiming they set themselves up as a great option for a compromise lynch on an otherwise-quiet phase. If scum fake-claims miller on day one, they're a. gambling there's no real miller to immediately counter-claim (one-for-one on day one is about as awful as it gets for scum) and b. drawing the spotlight onto themselves when they could otherwise just coast with regular play. All to facilitate a gambit with pretty low payoff even if stuff otherwise goes fairly perfectly. And that's not to mention that, if there's any form of third party, a "confirmed town" miller is likely to end up on the chopping block anyways.
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Yeah okay see I legitimately did not know half of what you cited was a thing so
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That's fine! I'm not coming down on you for it or anything (if I was there'd be a vote attached :P). Just trying to explain the situation and why I'm reading it how I am.
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Yes, I get you! I'm still not one hundred percent convinced but I'll observe and try to get a feel for how mentality in SOTF mafia games tends to skew.
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Since neither Paige nor Vyse will play, this will be fairly mellow.
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Wait what happens when they play exactly
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Just want to say that from my experience in TWG miller is a... really easy claim for scum to make since it can excuse an investigation. I distinctly remember in one game I played three people (including me) claimed miller to somebody, and two of those three people were scum. Another thing that happened was that everyone thought another miller was the real one because they produced a fake investigation on me which basically led us to losing the game.

So yeah, I don't particularly like miller claims. Also if you're the real miller you should probably counterclaim frogue.
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EBWOP: Also if frogue's lying and you're the real miller you should probably counterclaim
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Wait what happens when they play exactly
https://gyazo.com/cbdb3646c7427b14c959da6f2ed86129 this happens

And really, Doc isn't that bad when it comes to analysis. Like, his posts are actually readable. It's Toben we should worry about there.
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Mar 21 2016, 07:59 PM
Since neither Paige nor Vyse will play, this will be fairly mellow.
Hey, I feel left out here.
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On miller claims: a lot of this is down to game setup and what exactly what info is provided to what factions. That said, the following strike me as generally safe assumptions:
  • A twelve-player game is exceedingly unlikely to have multiple millers in play.
  • A town miller, if one exists, gains little to nothing from not counter-claiming Frogue in the event that Frogue is lying (miller being a negative-utility role).
  • Frogue is too savvy/aware a player to claim miller blind as scum in any event (whether or not this is true has little effect on anything else, however I feel it bears noting).
  • Thus, if Frogue is not counter-claimed this phase, I find it highly likely that either Frogue is telling the truth or Frogue, as scum, knows that there is no actual Miller in play.
  • If the latter, scum presumably have safe-claims that encompass both fluff and roles, as Frogue offered a fluff claim unprompted and was likely prepared to deliver.
Overall, though, I think Frogue is telling the truth, because scum having miller as a fake-claim would be really powerful even for a fake-claim encompassing a role.

Also, Cicada, could you maybe drop an answer to Frogue's query here?
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Not a lot of experience no. I've only played mafia IRL but that doesn't really go the same way.
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@Cicada thanks, best luck! Could you explain this post for me, please? What made you think people would be RWBY at that point?

@MW I shall hold flavour for now. Appreciate the vote of confidence in my abilities :p
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