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I've had enough of this shit... (PLEASE READ); The kid in the corner lashes out...OOOH!
Topic Started: May 16 2007, 05:36 PM (1,142 Views)
Croco
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Before I begin this rant, lemme clarify that I'm not singling out any one specific person, 'kay? That's just mean and mean's not my style.

Now, onto the main event. When I first heard about SOTF, I was really impressed by a couple of things. First and foremost, I can admit to having fantasies of killing and torturing some of my classmates in high school as I wasn't exactly in the in-crowd. Add that to having the creativity necessary to participate in such an endeavor and you've got someone that's one dirty look away from going totally ape shit and leaving a trail of blood and bodies for a full mile.

And secondly, I was impressed with how everything just flowed along perfectly and was spontaneous...almost, dare I say, random? Characters went about the island, interacting with each other and killing without thought. It was almost like "Hi...are you looking to die? Why, yes; I just got rolled and I need to kill (insert name here)...you wanna do it? Sure, why the hell not...let's talk about how we're gonna do this." Well, not quite exactly like this but you kinda catch my drift, right?

And now that we're well into V2, I find that the ship has done a complete about-face. I come into a scene and play along...but when things start getting good and I can sense an opportunity to jump in, someone has to come in and..."Oh, I'm sorry...you can't step in because me and so-and-so having been working on this for weeks." I'm like, WTF? Where's the spontaneity...the randomness that made the last go-round so entertaining? I've just about bitten my tongue right off my damn face keeping from ripping these people a new asshole because I've been wanting to get me some of this, only to be told that this is something that's been planned out for a couple fucking months now.

I don't really get this shit at all, and I'm fed up with it. Back when V1 was winding down and we were pregaming with our V2 characters, I thought we were just establishing friendships and who'd be out to get who and shit like that. What I didn't think is that it turn into one big planning party where those that weren't in the know would be kicked to the curb. I had plans for my main character to be a insatiable terror once he got his first taste of blood; it's been, what...three months, and he's still got only one kill? And even then, I was unnecessarily handcuffed by the other player...saying, "Oh, you're not doing this right...you need to do this, you shouldn't have done that..." There's no "proper" way to kill someone last I checked, you just did it and were done with it. Meanwhile, I've looked at the kill lists on the wiki and the majority of the kills belong to only a few handlers...what the fuck gives? It's just like that song by Bowling For Soup called "High School Never Ends" (which I'm listening to as I'm writing this, and you should too cause it's so true and it kicks ass)...the popular kids bask in the glory while the rest of us have to fend for the scraps. I didn't expect this shit to go on here of all places.

And why, do you ask...why is this going on? Because everything's being preplanned to the point where it's not even that much fun anymore. And if something like this becomes more like work than fun, then it's a lost fucking cause from where I sit. Having said that, I don't think I'm gonna even bother with V3 unless there's some drastic changes...and the first one is to bring back the spontaneity to the game. I may peek in to read a few of the topics and to bullshit on the non-game boards; let's face it, a lot of y'all are good friends of mine. I'm not about to throw that all away just to be pissy over not having more of a hand in something that's 1) a game, and 2) a work of fiction. This seemed like fun until everyone started getting serious and I was still wanting to have fun...if that doesn't change, then it'll just end up being the same six or seven of you guys on the actual game boards while everyone else is either in the Other Roleplaying forums or just fucking around on the General boards. I can guaran-damn-tee you that right now.

I can also guarantee that I'll be ready for any rebuttals, so bring it on.
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B44: Michael Neely - CONDITION: Deceased
B20: Peter Rosenthal - CONDITION: Deceased
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Same boat here, Croc.
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You say that last line like there are going to be some harsh words exchanged. This isn't the first post that's been up about a problem like that. It seems logical though, that you would PM one of the staff team rather than rant it all out right now.

There are some people with alot of kills because they're the ones who take over for the kids who don't write anymore. If everyone went by the rules and wrote their deaths when they were rolled, you wouldn't have people writing 3 or 4 deaths seemingly 'taking all the kills'.
Yea, people are going to agree with you, and some aren't. You have a point, and I'll give you that. It's really a matter though to take up with the Admins, seeing as they set the rules for the site. All that's going to happen here making a post like this, is start a semi bitch fight.
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I agree with you Croco don't get me wrong, and I'm guilty of the planning bit and I know it. However where I believe you are most correct is with the 3-4 people racking all the kills. I know for sure one or two of them have gotten their kills from the game itself and interactions, however a few of our "main players" seem to have this kind of "untouchable aura" about them. Thats been my only real frustration with the game. That and the fact I couldn't re-write the death I had written in Word for Seth Mattlock. But for the sake of starting a bitch fight for fun:

No way, you're wrong, wheres your evidence of this planning! I call shananagins (and bad spelling).
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You're such a pain Sciph ^_^
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I believe I've brought this to everyone's attention before, but here's the thing. Yes, it's a matter to be taken up with us... sort of. Yes, we do make the rules. But seriously, am I supposed to make a rule that says "You aren't allowed to preplan anything. You must interact with every handler who enters your topic, and if somebody PMs you with a plot idea, you must agree to it." First of all, that's just unrealistic (not to mention contradictory), and I realize that you're not saying we should do THAT. I find the whole preplanning thing pretty frustrating too. It's annoying to attempt to enter a storyline only to find out that "You can't participate because so-and-so and I planned out a private storyline".

I'm reiterating myself here, because I remember saying these exact same words before, but put yourself in the situation for a moment. If you were trapped on an island with a collar wrapped around your neck and told to kill everyone you came into contact with or you would die, would you sit down and meticulously plan out every single detail of every single kill you'd make? Some people would, sure. Most wouldn't. With most, it would be spontaneous. My next question, while theoretical in nature, raises yet another point. There are four schools on this island. There are roughly 8 classes on this island. There are over one hundred people. Granted, the number is smaller now, but that isn't relevant.

Here's the thing: even if you sat down under the nearest shade tree and planned every gruesome murder you planned on doing, what are the odds that the conditions would be absolutely perfect for you to kill that person? Slim to none, I'd say. What are the odds that somebody else isn't going to stumble in on that fight? Next to nil.

On the flip side, it IS very frustrating when you've been roleplaying at random, you're up to the kill scene for your character, and somebody else suddenly pops in and messes things up. A WONDERFUL example of this from the last game was Glenn Hughes's death. It was an awesome scene... at least, it would've been had some random person not popped in and literally ruined the entire thing. There has to be a little give and take.

You can't completely close your mind to roleplaying with someone else. You can't shut other people out of your storylines. If you're going to do that, you may as well just write your own little fanfiction out featuring you and your friend. That's basically what this is, it's one big fanfiction, and it's a lot funner when everybody is participating.

Likewise, sometimes, people have plans. If my character, who I'd been trying to kill off for a while, was two posts away from dying and you suddenly popped in to save the day, I'd be mad. You have to *communicate* with your fellow handlers. Everybody has to be willing to bend and adapt to the other people in our roleplaying community. This isn't just one person's story, it's everyone's story. If somebody wants their character in a scene, let them be in the scene. Likewise, if you have something planned out that you really need to go through with, people need to give you enough respect to let you play out that idea before they enter your topic.

As for the accusation that "some people score all the kills and some of us get nothing!", I'm gonna be really up-front with you guys. I kill off a lot of characters. I don't kill them with my own characters normally, but I do kill a lot off at random. Mitsuko kills off a lot of characters. Baby pretty much hit the nail on the head when she said that if you went by the rules and you roleplayed actively and you got your kills done on time, we wouldn't have to do that. We originally had a system where people submitted their death idea and the staff voted for the best. That doesn't work.

Want to know why? Basically, because the only staff members who actively participate on this forum are Mitsu and I. Believe me, there WILL be a big staff overhaul preceeding V3, but there's no need to do it right now. Two of us voting on the best idea doesn't really work. But that isn't the only reason. Secondly, people were submitting ideas that basically foddered out the character. It made their character look like Superman and the other character look like nothing, and that doesn't sit right with me. I try not to fodder people out. I try to keep them in-character. Some people don't have that same kind of respect.

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, the reason that we rarely offer out inactive deaths anymore is because people take so long to DO them. People will ask for character rights and then sit with their thumb up their ass for days, weeks, sometimes over a month before they ever get around to killing the inactive character. The way I look at it, we can have an inactive sitting on the roster for months because whoever wanted rights "doesn't have time to do it right now", or I can kill them off in 30 minutes. I don't know about you, but I want this game to END sometime, so the latter option looks a whole lot better.

Besides that, if you're interested in character rights, PM somebody and ASK them. Better yet, post in the roleplaying discussion forum asking for rights, that way everybody on the forum knows that character has been auctioned off. Don't just stand around and expect me to PM you going, "Hey Mitsuko, you want the rights to so-and-so?" I don't have TIME to do that. I think I've covered my views on the points addressed, so feel free to chisel away at this as you see fit.
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Nobody asked for my opinion, but it's not like you have a choice! Sometimes I plan shit, sometimes I don't, and I never ban someone from entering a topic (primarily because it demands that tiny bit of effort on my part that I refuse to waste because I couldn't give two shits). I say leave everything open, with the following condition:

Take some discretion when entering a topic that's already got something going down in it. Timing, finesse, and just a little bit of planning are key for making the entrance smoothly.

For example!

Vyvyan and Rick are in the middle of a fistfight, which their owners have, yes, choreographed a little through PMs and have a basic idea of how they want to end. Rick is planned to sustain an injury that leaves him with an embarrassing speech impediment. However, before Vyv can deliver the curbstomp in question, Neil runs out from the bushes and yells at them to stop (without any consultation with the other two handlers as to whether this was a good moment to enter the scene, or even just the action in question). Seconds later, Mike appears, declaring that he is the king of no pants.

Suddenly the initial scene has deteriorated; maybe something that could have been really boss has been spoiled because someone didn't respect someone elses creative space enough to ask if this was a bad time. It goes both ways, as these things tend to do. We need a solid effort from both (or all three, or four, whatever) parties.

And for the record, maybe it would have been a good idea to use a less "I'm actually going to do something" title. It's misleading.
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Croco
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To The Sciph - I've got evidence in the form of PM I got from someone I'm involved in a plotline; as for who it was and what it is, I won't say to break the anonymity. I'm not really hiding in the corner; in fact, I like to think of myself as a fella that's easy to find, so if you wanna discuss, then shoot me a line. As for the whole untouchable thing...I'd have to say that my main character has proven untouchable, yet he's only got one confirmed kill, which really irks me because I was hoping that he'd turn into a savage. But again...this would be better off discussed in private.

To Baby_g - Touche. I can honestly say that I'm guilty of planning and slacking off when it comes to killing off a rolled character, so who the hell am I to say anything, right? I'm just a little sore that it seems that everyone else can plan things out, but when I come to someone with a plan, I get the door slammed in my face. As for the last line...I put it in there expecting some harsh words and I'mgonnakickyerfuckinassanI'mafuckallayallupyafuckin'sonmbitchesand... *pant, pant, pant* ...I just put that in there to ensure that it wouldn't just get set to the wayside.

Which brings me to Meggles...y'know to be honest, you were the last one I was expecting to post here on this matter seeing as how this was spawned from the AIM chat we had today(yesterday?). But I can't entirely disagree with ya...I know it would suck if I had something really good going and someone comes in at the worst possible moment. Kinda reminds me of something else that takes a long time to build up and would fuck your day up if someone butted it at the absolute last second...I'll give ya guys three guesses as to what it is. ;)

As for the voting on death ideas, it kinda reminds me of another RP endeavor we participated in a while back where violence was abundant. That would never work and whoever thought of that idea should really be slapped silly. But I doubt that taking up a topic to say "Hey, so-and-so's in the hotel and he's in the mood to kill someone...any takers?" would work either. As for the actual killing...you know me. I try to take what I get and use it to the best of my abilities...but again, back to the point of this whole rant...what can I use if there's nothing for me to use in the first place?

Again, I'd feel more comfortable sorting out details in private, but I just HAD to get this off my chest before it ate at me any more.
THE HIT SQUAD
G16: Brittany Ashworth - CONDITION: Deceased
B44: Michael Neely - CONDITION: Deceased
B20: Peter Rosenthal - CONDITION: Deceased
B23: Vesa Turunen - CONDITION: Injured

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Corbin Barrett, Kazuhiko Takeda
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May 16 2007, 10:09 PM
Vyvyan and Rick are in the middle of a fistfight, which their owners have, yes, choreographed a little through PMs and have a basic idea of how they want to end. Rick is planned to sustain an injury that leaves him with an embarrassing speech impediment. However, before Vyv can deliver the curbstomp in question, Neil runs out from the bushes and yells at them to stop (without any consultation with the other two handlers as to whether this was a good moment to enter the scene, or even just the action in question). Seconds later, Mike appears, declaring that he is the king of no pants.

YAY!! The Young Ones!! :wub:

Vyvyan is my hero ^_^
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Croco
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baby_g
May 17 2007, 07:01 PM
CycoKiller
May 16 2007, 10:09 PM
Vyvyan and Rick are in the middle of a fistfight, which their owners have, yes, choreographed a little through PMs and have a basic idea of how they want to end. Rick is planned to sustain an injury that leaves him with an embarrassing speech impediment. However, before Vyv can deliver the curbstomp in question, Neil runs out from the bushes and yells at them to stop (without any consultation with the other two handlers as to whether this was a good moment to enter the scene, or even just the action in question). Seconds later, Mike appears, declaring that he is the king of no pants.

YAY!! The Young Ones!! :wub:

Vyvyan is my hero ^_^

That's the part where you (if you're Vyv) say "Fuck you, Neil!" and beat Rick stupid anyway, then laugh at Mike's manhood...or lack thereof when you see that he's wearing no pants. *snickers, then falls over laughing* Guess it's a matter of personal preference; I, for one, prefer to go with the flow as they say. I like to plan a little, but not to the extent that I've seen.

And who are these...Young Ones? Forgive me if I seem to have been living under a rock, but can ya fill me in?
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G16: Brittany Ashworth - CONDITION: Deceased
B44: Michael Neely - CONDITION: Deceased
B20: Peter Rosenthal - CONDITION: Deceased
B23: Vesa Turunen - CONDITION: Injured

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check out "the young ones" on youtube.com and you'll find some very very funny clips of the show. it's choice!
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"Just fucking around on the general boards." Yah, one o' those be me. So'z if I was pissing anyone off about it, but honestly, I killed off my babies because of the same crap Croco's talking about. I had plans for what I wanted my characters to be like (Come on, I know you all did. It's what the profiles are for.) but, you know, it's not tht easy to do when entering pre-existing topics is so completely taboo. So I got rid of the boys and gave the fuck up. I may be back in the boards that include RPing for V3, but I really don't see any spontaneity returning, even with so many people pissed nutters about it.
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I was resisting the urge to post here, and I still don't know why I am because this seems like a gigantic slap fight in the making without nobody actually stepping up and taking blame, or pointing it at anyone in particular for the sake of looking like an ass. But I'm sure many of you think I'm an ass anyway.

@Croco: Yeah, I know most of this is directed at me and I think most of what you assume is not what I intend. You wanted for something to happen to one of my characters and I didn't. It has nothing to do with being spontaneous and I don't really have a plan for the character but I didn't want it to happen. I really don't know who you are accusing of over planning, because as far as I can tell no one is attesting to over planning anyway.

@Megami: I agree with you for the most part, but I still think that things could have been dealt with more efficiently by the staff regardless (yes I know you guys are busy, but you could ask for help or even present the issue to the board so that they can help deal with it). A little democracy never hurt anyone (for the most part) and I think that a lot of the active handlers (my activity waning recently because I can't find anyone to RP with but I'm still more active than many) could have help out with things had you just asked.

@Everyone else: I came in to SOTF without a plan and without knowing anyone. Many of you may not know this but I was responsible for recruiting Jotun, Vasjarai and Narfinkool. The later of which have now left because of various reasons (mostly everyone refused to rp with narfinkool because of his inexperience and his two characters were roll almost simultaneously, and vasjarai's character was killed off without his consultation even though he was still checking the boards). But I’m getting off the subject at hand I’m afraid. At no point have I had long term plans for my character more extensive than a rough idea. Still, I think we are all to blame for our own little slice of the problem at hand and obviously I’m not blameless either.

Also @ everyone else: I really think a lot of these problems could be solved if people were just a little more active and if everyone communicated better. That goes for staff too. I really hate that there is a staff board separate from the normal one. If you have to discuss something do it over AIM or whatever. Or you can just let everyone know instead of skulking on another board. It obviously has its purposes, but I think a lot of the problems could be solved by dealing with things on a communal basis. Everyone could chip in a bit so Meg wouldn’t be overworked and we could resolve issues as a group of mature individuals instead of whining about it.

Anyway, that’s just my opinion and you can choose to act or not act on any of it. I’m just going with the flow here as I always have been. I’ll keep doing my thing (whatever you choose to thing that thing is, is up to you) and I’ll be here for a while to come. Whatever changes you do choose to make I’ll go with that and I’ll be sticking around.

PS: For the most part, I’ve been enjoying myself when it comes to SOTF and obviously you all do to or you wouldn’t be around. There are improvements to be made, and I can’t say it’s been spectacular but I think we can all look forward to improving on V3. Since this was a bit of an experiment anyway. Considering the staff changes from V1 and all.

In short: suck it up and do something about it instead of complaining.
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This shouoldn't come off like i'm being a bitch, but if it does I really couldn't care less, because I really am one. If you really think all this shit is true, you've got another thing coming. Do you really think meg and I enjoy killing off all of YOUR inactives? no, we don't. It's both a waste of our time, and we would rather the members get into the action just a tad.

If everyone wouldn't say, "ogh! I want that inactive! let me kill them!", then holds off on it for weeks at a time, or whenm their charecter is rolled, wait for the next roll to happen before acctually kkilling them, then alot of our problems would no doubtr disappear.

Unlike the rest of youi, I will not adress anyone in particular. It's another waste of MY time. If you are just going to complain about stuiff, then do it over AIM. I really don't want to hear it. If you really want your charecter to have a good kill count, then PM someone when their character is rolled and ask, "Can I have the rights to so-and-so?"

What do you thin I do? I constantly ask people. That's WHY I get kills, not because I'm staff and just privladged like that. And don't complain if someone sais no. Deal with it. Don't be a little baby.

Everything ON this site is FOR the members. We make rules to that the MEMBERS can be happy, so the MEMBERS can have fun. So suck it up.

oh, and the staff doesn't have another board, it has a seprate FOURUM. one tiny place to discuss plot ideas, or pregame things, or V3 stuff. We hardly make ANY big decisions without asking the MEMBERS first.

So, as I've countlessly said, suck it up. Don't be a baby.
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