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Order Of The Stick Mafia Game Thread
EBWOP: Fuck, didn't elaborate more on the first bit.

The reason the first quote sticks in my craw is because Espi never answered the question, and Vyse never pursued. For someone who's so interested in seeing all sides to something, he seems to have cut out any thought of Espi being guilty and that question being outstanding seems to indicate that he's not looking at it as being worth pursuing.

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Big ole case time. Wanted to do it earlier because we're close to lynch-time and I want room to breathe a little.

Firstly, you're very dogged about getting people to answer your questions, I've noticed, which is why this:

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You've seen this debate a couple of times before. Why so hesitant to add your own thoughts?
directed towards Espi regarding his statement of the Miller claim first caught my attention.

Next, this:
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As for Naft, I'm seeing a bit of potential soft-pushing from him, or feelers, if you'd prefer. Not sure what to make of his push on Espi yet, though. That actually seems more like what I'd expect from Town Naft, but I'm going to wait for his elaboration before weighing in.
which seemed to indicate that you saw Townread from me, but you directly contradict that here:

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Essentially, I have a few misgivings about most of your early play, because they all seem potentially opportunistic - offering Town bait to jump on, if you will. The fact that you seem more focused when it came to people I consider potential mislynch bait was also a red flag.


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Also, RC brushed against a point I kinda want to address. The main point of interaction is to get information, be it pressuring, getting a clarification, discussing reads, etc. This is really something everybody should be contributing to, to some degree. Doing otherwise gives scum a ridiculous amount of leeway to control Town.

This strikes me as interesting, considering that the early play you have misgivings about (or not because it's Town-Naft play) I would say falls pretty heavily in this category (IE - Generating discussion and interaction)

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How is this any different from Espi's normal play though? Like, the thing is, we have somebody do this every time.
First instance of providing an excuse for Espi. This is before Espi has had a chance to respond to my accusations (beyond "Please elaborate"). Also laid down this same line of thinking here:

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RC & Espi seem more newbish than scummy. (Yes, they've played some games, but their actual experience level is relatively low.)


It feels really off to me, like feeding them a line or defending them without much basis in content. It's almost appeal to emotion and that REALLY bugs me.

-Voted Bik after Bik accused Espi of being scum without voting. Not voting someone doesn't necessarily mean that you're running a con if you suspect them - within this community, Finger of Suspicion is still widely used and voting is generally shied away from - but it ties into my theory outlined in an above post.

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-I do agree with pressuring Dmboogie & Decoy just on general principal.
seemingly in agreement with my "calling the inactives out" plan but then here you say that it makes you sketched out when combined with my various other postings, which seems a really flimsy brick to your case.

TL;DR? I think Vyse, Espi, and potentially RC are all scum together. If that's the case, Vyse is definitely the priority target due to his ability and experience.

Townblock go!

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Thank you for your input again.

Firstly, I'm confused by your wording re: my case on Espi - tight to the breaking point is weird wording, specifically. If someone has a tight scum case, wouldn't that mean that it's something you'd go along with?

Secondly, regarding you: My read on you at this point is fairly scum, and here's why. You've been more or less feeding Espi excuses while I try to pin him down (That's how he always plays, he's never been a strong player) rather than giving me room to make my accusations and waiting to see how he responds. Espi still, to this point, hasn't responded to me directly other than asking for my reasoning. Day Phase 1 is all about gutreads and following through with them, and you've done a pretty good job of ensuring that all the follow through is as less credible as possible.

I would've felt much more at ease if you kept scumreading me, to be blunt, but now I kind of see what you're doing as buddying after a case fell through. Your interactions with Espi have read to me as scum trying to direct publicly, and if you WERE Mafia aligned, you'd probably be a great candidate to play QB. I'm seeing quite a bit of that.

I want to think that our stronger players (Vyse, MW, Grim) are all town aligned, but Toben is nigh undetectable (especially early on) and Grim is always jumpy. The fact that you've been in three Mafia games with me - two of which I was town aligned for - and seen my early game play and only now have decided to find it sketchy? That doesn't seem right, smart guy like you.

I'll go through and build a big ol' case a little later, but as for now I'm UNVOTING Espi and Voting: VysePresident

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Lynch Slam for sowing seeds of fear.

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Yugikun
Nov 29 2014, 03:50 AM
Hmm. I don’t really think that anyone is scummy, mostly because of a lack of experience with anyone here, and a lack of evidence since this is the first phase (the version I play has night phases before day phases, and the ability to talk during them). I do feel like some people (Gianni, RC, and Ohm) should talk more though, and I would be fine with voting for them if they don’t do anything more this phase.
Woah, what?

You have no reads based on nine pages of content? Are you sure about that?

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NotAFlyingToy
Nov 26 2014, 08:25 AM
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Not really agreeing with the push on Grim. He's being a bit reactionary here, but that's par for the course from him. I'm also seeing some soft-pushing from Naft myself, so I'm not particularly inclined to go this route.


Why is softpushing bad? At what point does softpushing become hardpushing when I've called my own attention to it?
Vyse, this question I asked on Page 6 is still outstanding.

Espi is squirmy, Vyse's defense of him I find also squirmy, and I'm waiting on more Grim time. My townblock thus far is Gianni and RC, with a tentative invitation to dmboogie. I like all three of their contributions so far.

I think that if Espi's scum, we need to look hard at Vyse and possibly Grim. If he's town, I'd probably reset my reads on Vyse and Grim.

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How is this any different from Espi's normal play though? Like, the thing is, we have somebody do this every time.
It was a reaction test and an explanation given to see what he'd do with the information. His was a brush-off and a read on me, as opposed to a broad view of the game through a wide lens. He's squirming because he's scum and I've pegged him right out of the gate, and is trying to mount a counter-offensive.

Defensiveness and backing into a corner are signs of scum caught on the ropes. If he was town, he'd be defending himself to me while also slinging mud in other places. I'm also looking to see if someone will feed him excuses (and a few people have.)

I like a Bik lynch as a secondary lynch based off of that catch, Vyse.

Slam: What don't you like about our current scum picks? Who do you like as scum?

Espi: I'd like to get a view of the game. What do you think of Slam, Boogie, Decoy, Bik, Vyse, and MW?

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Slam
Nov 26 2014, 08:44 AM
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Why would you think that losing a jester is better than netting a scum?


Never said that.
Elaborate further, then.

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EBWOP because massive Ninja that I totally missed from Vyse:

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Not really agreeing with the push on Grim. He's being a bit reactionary here, but that's par for the course from him. I'm also seeing some soft-pushing from Naft myself, so I'm not particularly inclined to go this route.


Why is softpushing bad? At what point does softpushing become hardpushing when I've called my own attention to it?

Thank you for your thoughts otherwise.

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Hey again, GM. I might be dumb, but I can't see a date/time when the day phase will end. Can we please have a vote count/update on when this bad boy ends?

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Examining a few things in order - this will be a fairly meaty post.

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Also, as a general thing, I'm gonna be after dmboogie and Decoy for activity basically all game. I'm announcing this now because I've been a part of two mafia games where Boogie has skated through as scum on inactivity, and Decoy's also pretty regular with his adeptness at fading into the background.

Me, announcing attempt/veiled threat to 'be after' boogie and Decoy for activity, with implications that they could be scum if there's low activity.

Grim
 
If serious, though: preliminary statement of attempts on Decoy and dmboogie seem cautiously acceptable, but only in lieu of other suspects.

Grim weighing in on my discussion, despite discussion of Yugikun, Espi, and RC floating around as 'other suspects' before and after this post. Note that he utilizes the words 'cautiously acceptable'.

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I think I'm the only person who's cast a stinkeye on those two for now, and I wouldn't call it an attempt. I just know their style as skating through to the next round based on being quiet and would like to avoid it.

Response to above, defending my word choice and general demeanor; attempt to bring attention to Grim's post.

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Unpy: Your take on Grim's seeming inability to decipher the arguments and his comment relating to boogie and Decoy, despite the current pressure on Yugi?

More attention drawing; reaction testing both Grim and Unpy.

Grim
 
Preliminary accusations of decoy and dm seemed problematic to me because they give NAFT a ready push for a lynch, which is something I've seen people gleefully exploit before. I voiced cautious agreement of NafT's plan because a) it might not be an unacceptable idea if no one else springs to my attention and b) it seemed scummy to me and I didn't want him to know he was pinging my scumdar.

The fact that he then used my tentative agreement with his plan to start pointing suspicion at me has now made him leap to the top of my list.

Reaction testing failed. Cautious acceptance has now turned to problematic, push for a lynch doesn't make sense considering both Decoy and Boogie are actually in discussion, the idea of suspicion based off of posts equalling scum makes even less sense to me. This post also included a vote on myself.

Grim
 
Of the current crop, NafT has a) given himself a ready push against dm and decoy on grounds of inactivity and managed to throw subtle pointers in a few different directions.


How is this scum behavior for early dayphase? What about the miller claim, defense of miller claim, RC's declaration that Vyse and Espi are not on the same side, etc etc? I feel like if your big scum lead is someone who's asking questions and slinging mud, we're going to have a rocky town play all game, if you're not scum looking to bury a leader.

You're either jumpy town or scum at this point, and I'm leaning towards jumpy town. Why the focus on me when we have a miller claim that you haven't weighed in on, a pretty suspicious response to said miller claim by Espi, and the game seems fairly interested in Yugi? Can we have your thoughts on all of these things, Grim?

I want to note: Grim leading a lynch is fairly town behavior this early, as all we can do is hit things with sticks and see what falls out. I like seeing votes on me early, it makes me smile. On that note, Slam is acting very laid back this first dayphase, as well, and I don't like that.

On to other things:

boogie
 
I'd be more suspicious of Yugi if he wasn't new to this board's mafia, considering how much general shit miller claims tend to bring. But I see no reason to doubt his claim that the mafia games he read didn't involve millers in a very noticeable way, so I'm willing to believe that he wasn't aware that his joke claim wasn't as obviously a joke as he thought.

I like this reasoning. It doesn't clear Yugi completely but it's fairly solid reasoning.

decoy
 
What I've said about Yugi stands, and the same applies to RC - since this is pretty much the first time playing for both of them, I'm willing to cut them a little slack.


How's Espi or Grim look for you?

Yugi
 
Seeing that this is a 15 player game, I'd say that there three to four wolves in total, and maybe a third party.

What logic are you following here? Not a dig, just genuinely curious.

Seth
 
As said above RC's played before, twice in the same game in fact, so he knows how Mafia works at this point.


I'll also point out that RC has a lot of mafia experience via other platforms.

Decoy, with this information, how do you view RC without the slack goggles?

Slam
 
Hell I'll invite it out, if anyone's a jester just come forward now and we'll lynch you for free. (I mean, unless everyone else would rather continue chasing this Grim Wolf/Espi/I don't really know what people are thinking tbh train)


Why would you think that losing a jester is better than netting a scum?

MW: Your thoughts on Grim? Your thoughts on Slam?

Gianni: Are you Espi's scum partner? Can I trust you to join the townblock?

Espi: I think you're scum because you fit neatly to me in that peg of someone who's just gotten a scum role for the first time and doesn't quite know how to play it, leading you to fumble the first post in the joke phase and tip your hand too early. I have a high degree of suspicion for you.

General Video Game Discussion Thread
"Mars War Logs tries to be Mass Effect and comes up a little short."

"comes up a little short."

"a little short."

Mars War Logs is trying to be Mass Effect like Aliens Colonial Marines was trying to be good.

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Boogie/Decoy: Your take on Yugi and RC?

Unpy: Your take on Grim's seeming inability to decipher the arguments and his comment relating to boogie and Decoy, despite the current pressure on Yugi?

Yugikun: How many scum do you think are there (besides Espi)?

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EBWOP: That was a srs vote.

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If serious, though: preliminary statement of attempts on Decoy and dmboogie seem cautiously acceptable, but only in lieu of other suspects.


I think I'm the only person who's cast a stinkeye on those two for now, and I wouldn't call it an attempt. I just know their style as skating through to the next round based on being quiet and would like to avoid it.

MW: Why has Yugi moved down based on that?

Grim: Who's standing out to you right now?

Espi: You're definitely mafia.

UNVOTE

VOTE: ESPI

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MW: Do you find Yugi's actions suspect?

Espi Draws
You should totally draw Matt.

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Also, as a general thing, I'm gonna be after dmboogie and Decoy for activity basically all game. I'm announcing this now because I've been a part of two mafia games where Boogie has skated through as scum on inactivity, and Decoy's also pretty regular with his adeptness at fading into the background.

Paradise
Even if Hansel could've responded, even if he'd not been shot in the face and had bandages wrapped around his head, their stench filling his nostrils and permeating his mouth, he wouldn't have. They were all way past words, now, far beyond guilt trips that added up to nothing more than hot air. Delusions of ever having had the opportunity, the means, the chance of escape did nothing for Hansel but make him feel a small pang of pity for this boy who had apparently believed, this child facing off against him who had at one point been naive enough or dim enough to feel like the power of friendship would see it through.

The rest of him felt anger - not at Zubin's words, but at the idea that he could've come this far, on the eve of the violence ending one way or another, unscathed in body and mind. He stood there unhurt and judgemental while Hansel had been stripped down of his health and beliefs and sense of security. Zubin stood there spewing idealistic bullshit while he was still on the cliff face, still stepping on his classmate's heads to try and reach the top.

So, he cocked back the lever on the Remington and fired repeatedly as he back-pedalled, keeping close to the gazebo, utilizing the limited cover.

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Yugikun
Nov 24 2014, 03:24 AM
UNVOTE

And yeah, sorry about the joke claim, I meant to claim a role who doesn't normally know who they are (Millers don't normally know who they are, right?), probably should have "claimed" townie.


Vote: Yugikun

Hey, Town. Can we all agree that this is super scummy behavior thus far? My favourite lynch right now is Yugi.

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Dark Lord Bunbury
Nov 23 2014, 08:23 PM
Unvoting is required. If I notice double-voting or have it pointed out to me, I will ask the player to re-do the vote before it is counted.
Reasonable assumption that there are double-voters in play, then. Cool info.