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SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
(Oh yes I'm still compiling my opinions so that I'm sure of them, I don't want to disrupt the town with half baked ideas)

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
I'm in favour of all the remaining unconfirmeds doing that idea (I'd like Penguin to join in too). Just remember not to do a direct role PM quote.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
I feel that I should point out that I do kind of have an idea of who might be a scum at the moment, but I also know my opinion's second guessed quite heavily at the moment so I dunno if you guys want it or not.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
Tch, I was just trying to get the mafia to waste one of their kills on me instead of someone who's actually vulnerable, I don't see why you had to kick up such a fuss against it. It's not like the town were going to leave me alone and finish off each other after it looked like we were out of mafia anyway.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
Why would I benefit from saying that the mafia can kill me at night?

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
Oh I can still be killbait. I'm not really sure why, but I'm not nightkill immune or investigation immune (obviously) this game, I don't know maybe Weasel was adopting the model from last time for whatever reason? Still, the mafia can choose between letting me make my vigilante hits or you doing your investigations, it depends which one's actually going to hurt them.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
I understand your concern Penguin, but the thing is even if I was night kill immune it doesn't really make any difference to the town, what with no vigilante or JOAT killing (by Pippin's account). Townies only need to worry about being able to lynch me when they want to.

I am Karen, but I don't really know how I could prove things better than Kami's roleblocking. I guess Pippin could say if he protected karsk last night or not? If he didn't then at least the coincedences might be more fitting.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
I'm not stubborn, I can tell when I've lost. But at this stage I'd rather see the town win than mafia and as a third party I have the lovely ability to support whichever side I want.

If I try to kill anyone, fluff will make it painfully obvious that it was moi so I have no motivation to screw myself over and do so anymore. Let me be the town's sword at night, killing anyone who the consensus decides to (and not killing anyone if there is none!) and taking all the hammers still just in case of a bomb. I'm much more interested in staying in the game than I am in going out in a lynch with raging screams of "CURSE YOU AAAAAALL!"

If you're really not certain and Kami can't decide who to roleblock, she could always keep me in check if it makes you feel better?

And if the mafia decides to kill me tonight, that's one less kill focused on the rest of the town.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
I'd happily volunteer to be the new vig.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
Ah screw it I know when things won't work.

Yes, I am Kira. I mean Karen. Whatevs.


So, what are you going to do now? Kill me? Stop and think on it for a second.

People who've taken down the mafia without a cop and a roleblocker having to pop up at the same time: me. Twice.

People who've only managed to hit the scum after roles got lucky with their targets? The town~

It's true that I haven't been perfect in my deductions, and a few moves were in my self preservation, but overall my record for mafia hunting is quite good at the moment. Truth be told I never really wanted to take down the town anyway. I've been on your side so many times in past games, it's kind of hard to break the habit. So I've spent this whole time trying to focus my night kills on the mafia. Haven't had perfect luck, but the scum would probably have majority by now without me being here lending a hand.

Now, I know you're all thinking "yeah but he's a serial killer and serial killers are eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil" which sadly is a stigma that past serial killers haven't done much to avoid, but even if you kill me just because of the colour of my role then what will that accomplish? You'll have lost my deduction abilities, which now that I don't have to worry about being exposed I can bring full force to the table in the day phase (and believe me I've got a pretty sweet idea on who's scum in this game), and the mafia will be one step closer to having their own majority. I doubt Kami has the luck to block the mafia every night phase so at this point night times will just be a killing ground of useful townies.

Which makes me ask you: what exactly is your plan after I'm dead hm? Just randomly pick investigation targets in the hopes that the mafia don't kill you next night time Karsk? Cause you know, if the JOAT didn't use their protection ability before they almost certainly wasted it last night.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
Accusing me of defending a scum Penguin? How hypocrital. Sides, not like anyone else was thinking Roy might be suspicious either until karsk chipped in.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
ALAS the suspicions it's on me heavily.

ONE I simultaneous posted with Will so I didn't see the suggestion to discuss more. Besides I thought karsk had already decided who he was going to investigate and since when was it a good thing to make your plans blatently obvious to the mafia.

TWO I didn't do anything last night and it's perfectly possible that Karen targetted a protected karsk.

THREE I've been working my hardest to help the town the entire time and this is the thanks I get? The word from a single person who for all we know could've just been a mafia throwing another mafia under the bus and you all turn on me? Could this not be one massive trap?

My heart, she is breaking that you would fall for all this circumstantial evidence.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
And hammering in the nail, because Roy's claim got a little bit threatening towards the end there and here's me wondering (doubting but you never know) if he's some kind of night phase terrorist or some cooky shit like that.

Plus hammering seems to be a bit of a thing now.

Vote: Dr. Roy

I think it's fairly straight forward what we should do if he winds up town, but we can discuss that tomorrow 'n' stuff.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
(If there are five mafias left they wouldn't win with two deaths in the next night phase, they'd only have 5 out of the needed majority of 6)

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
We're stuck for leads aren't we.

You know if we're not certain we could actively not lynch today; it wouldn't get us closer to killing the mafia, but it would keep them further from their approaching victory if we don't get lucky with our lynch. Though there's no guarentee we'll have more hints tomorrow than we will today.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
I was more directed at Whirly.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
We can't dismiss the possibility that Penguin is anti-town just because Kami roleblocked her: she could have a non-killing mafia role (Though it would mean that she's not the SK if Kami's being legit).

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
This might be the drop dead tired talking but how do we know that Penguin doesn't have an anti-town killing role again?

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
That...all makes sense to me.

It wouldn't be impossible to make it up, it'd be elaborate as sin and more prone to counter-claiming than...um, witty comparison, but honestly I'm willing to give Kami the leeaway there. If she's telling the truth she'll end up scum chum anyway unless we have a bodyguard running around.

But I'd like it if she'd organise her suspicions of Penguin when she can. I don't disagree, I acknowledge the fact that everyone Penguin's acted against so far has ended up town and she did defend Decoy, but we still need to be precise with this lynch so let's get some group opinions going on here.

SOTF-TV Mafia: Game Thread
We've been over so many times how claiming to suck at mafia can be an easy scum cover, so nice of you to try to take part in mafia more Kami but it's not going to excuse you automatically here.

The claim irks me. There was some focus starting towards her, but I don't think it would qualify as enough to really drop names, and Sidney DOES strike me as a mafia type if it weren't for her complete ineffectiveness in game (though a very entertaining read). Plus she's Kami's character, not exactly a hard name to dig up.

I don't know what to make of it just yet; normally I'd be willing to apply more pressure but as everyone's reasoning points out worst case scenario we really need to hit scum today if we don't want to have to rely on Karen.