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Screw it, I know you'll just ignore it but I'll clarify the others for everyone else's sakes.

And if Iíve misinterpreted anyone here, then by all means, clarify.


Well Iím not even going into this one this one because I donít think anyone would call it a hop.







Reason: I looked keen to see Penguin dead for her Miller claim, which Fiori didnít believe was that risky a claim.

He's explained himself and his reason is valid. Not an inherently scummy vote.

I must agree with Toben here. Poor Slammy has been acting very suspicious and since my initial suspicious have been cured, I must follow through with this action. I do apologize if you take offense to this.



Reason: what Tobe said.

A hop? Absolutely: anyone can say ďWhat they said.Ē But, I was only saying my favourite three, so there we go. But hey, now Jimmy can replace Laurels in the list of bandwagon members I dislike, so kudos to Jimmy, let's have a look at him later when the current matter is resolved.

VOTE: Slamexo
I thought I voted him before .-. Time sure does fly when you're staring at you gorgeous face in the mirror. Anyways, he's most likely to be scum IMO. I mean... I can understand Slam's opinion since I did the same thing to Bro last game, but he's experienced with these games. He knows what he's doing, so for now, I think it's unlikely that he just messed up.

Reason: didnít believe I would get so stubborn about pursuing Penguin given my experience.

Nice and elaborated on. The vote itself isnít inherently scummy, at least as far as I care.

Now Iím going to go lie down and clear my head after thinking about all these blood and guts and having to listen to you stir shit for the last ten posts.


And now you're trying to change the subject again, because *that's what you were doin'.* You suspected Espi for not being sure you were scum, and now you're sayin' that we don't need to be sure? Pick a tone and stick to it, sweetheart.

Wait, what? I never said I found Ruff suspicious. In fact I was pretty firm early on that I didnít see any point in pushing a lynch on him.

Iím not even sure how your first two statements are even related. I found Espional suspicious because their only explanation behind their vote was that they wanted to see a lynch.

That's just complete bullshit: The point was that your reasons don't make any goddamn sense. What sets those three apart from anyone else? They all did it for the same reason. You haven't explained it for half a second, and you're just trying to dodge it. How is this not completely fuckin' obvious?

Long story short? Slam doesn't have a good reason for any of 'is votes or suspicions. They're all playing on the same card, and I'm not going to pretend that makes any goddamn sense.

Oh so I guess this never happened.

And you know, it's not like I didn't justify my initial vote on you.

Also, stop including Laurels in that list because he's not a part of it anymore.

At this point, I am so sick of you ignoring everything I say whilst having to repeat myself more and more. And when I'm already sick from the bloody violence this is all leading to, that's not an attitude you want to take, so, this is the end of my post ping pong with you. If you want to find a nitpick with this post, go ahead, but I'm going to let everyone else make up their own minds in these last few hours, or maybe give you a chance to dig up some new info.

Throwing votes left and right? Kid, you've got a real skewed since of perspective. I voted twice on two people who looked like they were ready to carve us up(one of which ain't exactly pretending he doesn't want to see us all spit-roasted), and your logic doesn't add up. What your'e saying is that I held back on you, who is apparently a big fuckin' deal now, but when I joined the wagon that you were pushing like a Red Ryder to freedom that didn't matter? All I"m getting from this is that apparently you were wasting our sweet time earlier and now we should be pressuring you, even though you're not giving us shit. Jesus, you're a complete schizo, ain't ya?

You held back on me, which is a wagon with actual momentum, whilst voting flippantly on Penguin, whoís only real pusher was myself, as well as joining in the Dom wagon, which was divided from day one. It shows less of a commitment to put your name down when things might actually come to a lynch, which I hope is clear enough for you now.

Because we've got a whole lot of information on who's scum and who's not on day one. Here, let me ask the detective, oh wait, they haven't had a chance to do shit yet. We've got no clue whether anyone is actually scum yet, sweetheart, so the point's pretty moot. Somebody needs to die anyway, and right now you're painting a nice little target on your ass.

I hope you donít depend on a cop roleclaimining to decide if someoneís scum or not all the time, because if you do you look like a right hypocrite right now and youíre probably screwed if the cop turns up dead. Personally, I try to do my own detective work at times like these.

Here's another good inconsistency: You want to finger Espi as suspicious for voting for you in favor of a lynch, but then you turn around and finger me for not voting for you right out the gate because I was still more suspicious of Ruff and Penguin. Now, which is it: Should we all be voting for you, or is anyone who watches your train-wreck of a thought process supposed to assume that everything's peachy and not dare to question your crazy rambling? You can't play it both ways. It's one or the other, but you keep trying to swing it to where everyone's suspicious except you. That won't fly with me, sweetheart.

Wait, what? I never said I found Ruff suspicious. In fact I was pretty firm early on that I didnít see any point in pushing a lynch on him.

Iím not even sure how your first two statements are even related. I found Espional suspicious because their only explanation behind their vote was that they wanted to see a lynch. I pointed out your non-voting because I found several quotes from you chiding people for not doing it on their targets. It had nothing to do with whether or not you wanted to see a lynch, it was simply showing how hypocritical you were being.

Which is real damn convenient, ain't it? You're playing along with the victim game like a champ. There's just one problem: Everyone who's "suspicious" on your bandwagon is suspicious for the same damn reason. The sociopathic ferret is the only one who gave a nice, solid reason for why you're scummy as all hell, but you singled out three random people even though you didn't really have anything to go on for any of them. One you just misread, the other did the most common move of anyone ever in Mafia(which was followed by pretty much everybody else), and one didn't say enough. News flash, sweetheart: so far it looks like Toben and I are the only people in your detractors that are gunning for the Pulitzer. Your logic is as soggy as bridge-builder's lunch and just about as good at holding water.

I don't sling dirt, kid. I notice what's already all over you. You wanna explain why you picked three random chumps out of a nondescript line-up? I'm sure the boys down in lock-up would love to hear how you fucked up their system with what's basically a random guess

Okay, now youíre contradicting yourself: you actually repeat my reasons for the three people I picked, and then ask me what my reasoning was. You accuse me of not paying attention to what Iím reading but I could say you might want to look back over what youíre saying too, hun.

I donít find Toben suspicious in the slightest, by the way, because at least what he said followed through with itself.

No, it's called back-tracking, scumbag, you put it in when you realize you've fucked up while trying to play every side and hoping nobody notices.

No, itís called a florp. Itís where you call something that canít be proven by either side whatever you want to make yourself look right. Or do you happen to write out every single word perfectly the first time when youíre making one of your claims, and thus never have to elaborate?

Horseshit. You say that maybe pushing the Penguin button wasn't the best idea, but it was an overall success. The fact is you didn't draw a single parallel between your situation and hers and you're still trying to sell what you did as good for the town while not having the balls to commit to it. That's flip-flopping, kid, pure and simple.

You could start by elaborating on this part, actually, because I ainít got a clue what youíre saying.

Given that scum can talk to each other during any phase, yeah, you have had plenty of chances. Or did you casually "forget" that detail as well?

(I misread sweet heart, I didnít forget. Ďs a difference.)

And in my experience of playing mafias on this board, mafias talk at night, as does anyone that can do it secretly. Though I know some variants do exist, so I suppose anythingís possible. And yes, including what youíre going to accuse me of from this quote, not that itís true.

Hope that all this was clear enough for you, since Iím just a simple minded dirtbag further addled by all the nausea from this violent argument that involves me having violent urges. Not one to make sense with my arguments or avoid repeating myself, not at all.

Well, at least you confess to hopping on the bandwagon without providing any justification that actually relates to me. It's a breath of fresh air in my otherwise blood induced sickly day.

The General SOTF Discussion Thread
Having just wrote a character that can do martial arts over on Mini (not that she'll be doing it anymore, but hey), I can say that it's really not that big a deal from my perspective. In a sense I suppose it's not that much different from a character who knows how to operate a gun, in that it just changes how the actual post might play out. In the end of the day deaths are pretty much always choreographed anyway, so whoever has the advantage in a fight will only make a difference in terms of how the scene plays out. Important, but also dynamic, which is good..

Let's face it though, most advantages and disadvantages have very minimal effect on how a character performs in the game. Instead they just serve as more of a thing to think about when reading and writing their story, as well as a way to keep kids nice and realistic in that no-one's perfect or perfectly awful.



Fuck, now which is it, am I voting too much or too little? See, first I get criticized for jumping around and voting too often, and now you're trying to twist it around to where me *not* voting for you is a sign of guilt? You can't have it both ways, kid. Let me fix this little quandary for you, though. Vote: Slamexo

Easy. You voted straight away on Ruff and Penguin when any sense of a wagon against them was a little shaky, but against me, the one with a bandwagon with some serious momentum behind it, you were hesitant to leave any clues behind until pressed on the matter. So, throwing votes around left and right when theyíll be inconsequential but holding back when they matter, thatís the difference.

So, are you saying we *don't* need to lynch someone? Because the last time I tried to run that story it ended in a massive fucking argument and a ridiculous circle-jerk of numbers and theories. See, saying we need to lynch someone isn't "classic bandwagon hopping behavior", it's the only accepted town strategy for early game. I'm not on board with it completely, but it's the most common thing you can say, especially on day one. The day one lynch can be a big tool for the town, and you're slamming someone for contributing to it? That's not elaboration, that's Judasing.

Voting for a lynch because lynching helps the town is one thing, having that as the only justification in your post is another. If youíre going to vote for someone and canít be bothered to explain why you think that personís scummy, then itís hopping. Bonus points if you actually donít even care if that person is scum or not.

In regards to Laurels
Big surprise, your logic didn't work out on this one either. At least this time you could admit it, eh? Hell of an elaboration though, that really gets the town somewhere and doesn't sound like the sort of padding my old lady does before hitting the dive bar for a wild night.

What logic? It was a misread that changed the context of the post. Get over it.

You want to talk about jumpy bandwagoning? I've stayed on the same three targets since we left joke voting: You, Penguin, and Ruff. All three of you smell like an abandoned fish factory, and I haven't let that go for a second. You, on the other hand? You're all over the fucking place. Three random names getting thrown out, one of which you don't have any real reason to be suspicious of and another you're criticizing for playing the damn game right, and now you're jumping on me because you see a convenient bandwagon to pull attention away from you. I think it's real fuckin' interesting how you and Penguin are covering each other like guilty old lovers now when before you were ready to paint each other's houses with your blood. Anybody else just a bit unsettled by that? Because it makes my skin crawl, and I've seen some shit. Let's move on, though:

Letís review: I was asked who I found suspicious on my bandwagon. I said who and I elaborated. Since then, the only other person Iíve slung any dirt at is you, on whom I also elaborated. Now, Iím not really sure how you can call that all over the place when Iím being consistent with who Iím targeting at present, compared to you who still manages to split his efforts in each post. The lovely thing is that even though I will probably look into Espional and Ricky later, I can concentrate on the guy who is presently making his scummy traits prominent by his continued posting, rather than sitting on my hands waiting for two votes to get elaborated on. Not that I donít want to see follow up, but priorities.

In addition hun, Iím jumping on you (not that thereís even a bandwagon to hop there) because I find your efforts to sling dirt on people scummier than an infected leg wound. Now that Iíve gone and made myself ill again, Iíll also point out that Iíve not said a word in Penguinís defence since I backed away from her. I assure you, my vote on you is purely because youíre pressing all the buttons.

Now, I don't see word one about how lynching you is a bad idea in the same way that lynching Penguin is a bad idea.

Itís called elaboration sweetheart, you put it in because it wasnít clear in the original post.

Instead, I just see you continuing to bus Penguin by saying that jumping on her was a good idea anyway, so you don't regret it. To me, it sounds like your saying that pressuring Penguin was a good idea, but pressuring you is bad and you don't have to answer for your shit. That's real fuckin' suspicious, sweetheart.

I also say in that post that pushing Penguin was a bad idea, which kind of seems an odd way to bus someone, especially considering that before hand I was mentioning how I donít consider her scummy anymore. What I said I didnít regret was getting discussion and a bandwagon to watch going, which I still donít regret. Also, thereís a difference between pressuring someone and lynching them: one tends to fish out information whilst the other kind of cuts it off permanently after one final moderate but debatable morsel. Not that finding out if someone was scum or town is good, but it also ends all conversation about that person and let's the scum slide away back into the dark, which is why I advocate being absolutely certain before you lynch someone.

This is just the cherry on top. You try to pretend I give a shit about Vyse or think he's scum all day long, but I didn't say that. I justified why I think P.A. is playing us like a banjo in Alabama and looking to find out just how purty our mouths are at the same time and never said word one about him being scum, just uninformed. Now your'e just imagining bandwagons to throw me on. Or did you misread again?

Youíre right, you donít really finger Vyse in your post (not that I can understand what youíre saying half the time, but I wonít hold that to fast talkiní types). So, yes, between the entire bragging BS that you followed with to make yourself sound super important too, I did misread. It was nice of you to offer your balls up for lynching if it should come to it, though, although I really donít need to think about severed testicles. Would you people just stop with the violence and let me catch my breath already?

My vote is set. I think you and P.A. have been playing both sides against the middle this whole time, but you're definitely the bigger alarm.

I love how you think me and Penguin can play off each other on the fly, because, you know, weíve had every chance to secretly co-ordinate in this first day phase. Itís actually quite a compliment.

Call me erratic or flip-flopping or whatever else the fuck you want, but when I read scum I've got the balls to say it

You pushed Penguin hard when we had all the time in the world, and now that we're running out you throw out three people and don't give a one of 'em a question, a vote, or even an FoS?

What exactly strikes you as innocent from someone claiming they're part of the town but can't prove it, then immediately trying to throw suspicion on two or three people without having the guts to actually vote?

For someone who advocates voting on your suspects, I fail to see a vote on me at any point. What a nice way to push a wagon without joining it.

Stop accusing me of deflecting suspicion when I was asked who I find suspicious, especially now that Iíve followed it up with elaboration.

In fact, stop saying Iím not doing anything to defend myself without actually responding to my statements, period. It reeks of just ignoring everything Iím saying in order to paint a bad picture of me.

It seems pretty fucking stupid to me to stick around on them when Slam's claiming we shouldn't lynch 'em because he's important. Why? That's a hell of a claim to make early on. If you're actually important, you might as well hang a big fucking neon sign around your neck saying "HEY! MAFIA! SHOOT ME IN MY STUPID FACE!"

Now what exactly does this serve, except perhaps soft gloating and/or painting me as a night kill target? I donít even remember saying I was important, just that lynching me would be a bad move, in the same way lynching Penguin would be a bad move.

See, instead of going out and just claiming that somebody's scum, you're trying to get other people to do it for you. You don't have the balls to stick your neck on the line and see if the 309 takes it off, do ya?

Again, I donít see you sticking your neck out on the line with a vote for me. All youíre doing is putting people me in a bad light whilst the wagon around me seems to have at least slowed; seems a little too keen to see me dead, quite frankly, but with all the disguising dressings up of a leg wound. Bloody, bloody leg wounds.

No! Canít pass out from that, have to keep deconstructing!

It's a tall order, but right now I'm fingering the Penguin and Slam for the job. They're both a little bit too eager to jump on each other. One of 'ems probably innocent, and one of 'ems probably guilty

Also this logic is hella destructive. I fell into that trap with Elena way back in Pokemon mafia (I think, donít quote me on that), and it accomplished nothing. Itís false logic that one person in a lynching back and forth must be misleading or scum, and setting up that scenario could only lead to more problems in the long run.

For someone who criticises people for shifting accusations around, youíve been pretty eager to keep your attention divided between me, Penguin, and Ruff at first, and now youíre even dragging Vyse into your game of Chicago Fingering. This is all just putting suspicion on people without following through on any of them, which paints you a nice fallback if things turn sour. You may have slapped Ruff and Penguin with a vote, but you also pulled those off before things even turned serious. Why has my lynch, the one pursuit of yours that has spanned several posts, suddenly lacked a paper trail?

No, I find Docís bandwagon hopping and lack of follow through in his own accusations whilst being way too eager to paint people as guilty too much to put up with. Even if my head is constantly spinning from all this sickness, I can see someone being shifty when I look at them hard enough and am sitting down, preferably with an open window nearby.

Vote: DocBalance

Doc, you say I'm not giving much reason to justify not being seen as scum, but I guess those last four posts explaining myself weren't enough by your books. Anything else you'd like me to shore up on, sailor?

I'm not even sure it can count as deflecting when I was asked who I find suspicious on my wagon, but hey, elaboration:


I no I am wishy-wishy and wagoning. But slam is the good bet now, and wee need too linch sumwon.Better slam, then no linch wich is only good 4 the mafeea.

Saying that you should lynch someone just because you need to lynch someone is very classic bandwagon hopping behavior, usually attributed to players who'd rather see someone lynched than care who gets targeted. it's an attribute commonly associated with scum.

*sigh* Well, see, I did vote for Slam as a joke, and I was thinking of changing in case I found a real lead. Unfortunately, I feel like I'm somewhat certain in my vote now that Slam has proven to have some bizarre ways of thinking and weird accusations.

*sigh* Of course it would come to this.

Truthfully I misread Laurels the first time into thinking that it said that the vote had been supported by someone else's bizarre ways of thinking and yada yada, rather than my own bizarre ways of thinking and yada yada. I don't know, blame the post restrictions of my ever present nausea over all this violence. So, hey, less suspicion on Laurels, a misread on my end.

MK Kilmarnock
Welp, if we're going to get somewhere, might as well start being serious. I hope this illustrates the fact that I am awesome, something you all seem to be blind towards.



Zero insight or elaboration, just a vote for me because it can be done. The very definition of hopping on the bandwagon. Edges out Espional because I think Espi gave at least a better justification in doing the vote itself, but they both still read as bandwagon hopping to me.

Why I didn't engage with anyone is that I was mostly focusing on picking apart what you were saying to me. Like I said, I got a little bit stubborn in the whole engagement there and it simply wasn't good form on my end. I don't know, blame the blood induced sickness. Still worked out on a whole with posts to read in to as far as I care.

My top three picks for shady jumps would be Espional, Laurels and MK Kilmarnock.

Ricky's my favourite choice though, considering he joined with literally nothing.

I'll be quite honest in that I was probably getting stubborn with the Penguin lynch halfway through. Though I do remain sincere that she was my favourite point of discussion, as, as I said, I don't really feel the Dom point was enough to follow up on and he was the only significant other target people were focusing on. The fact that other people were starting to agree with me may have made me more confident in following through with the Penguin push than I should have been, too, despite its lack of any real grounding apart from being a point of discussion.

Though I stand by egging Penguin on evoked reactions from other people, which is always helpful in a mafia game.

Whilst I always appreciate the benefit of not having to second guess a miller, and in an ideal world I'd still rather live without one, I'm not going to push for the unpopular decision if I don't agree with it 100% myself anyway, hence my backing down. That and Penguin still knows what she's doing more often than not, so if she's being legit (which she most likely is, given the lack of a counterclaim at this point), then it'd be better to keep her around at this moment in time.

As for the short-handing Penguin's argument, well that was just my way of responding. Rather petty, but at that point the entire debate between us had devolved into nitpicks anyway.

And for the record, saying that Elena would probably not put a miller came from me thinking that the general consensus was that they were pointless, although how I attributed that to Elena I can't remember if I ever had a good reason to or not. Wouldn't be the first time I thought someone had said something and wound up using that argument in a mafia post either, though for the life of me don't ask me to go back and sift through hundreds of pages to try and find it. A man needs to rest when he's getting over how close he was to having to deal with his bloody death, and there I go I need more rest now before I throw up, thanks a lot.

I love to watch people hop on my bandwagon who parrot the one long post from Toben. I especially love seeing the people who hop on the wagon without even bothering to type out a repeat of that.

That said however, lynching me would be a bad move period, so don't do it. I mean, don't even get me started how nauseous I'd feel from all the hanging me from a tree in a violent bloody mess would get me. Still, I'm quite happy to elaborate on any further statements if anyone wants them, and perhaps pushing the Penguin button wasn't the best way to start the day, but screw it, I've still gotten discussion going and a nice bandwagon for people to watch formed, so I call it an overall success.

For the record, I vote on people I don't necessarily want to see lynched all the time, and so do other people. It's called putting pressure on 'em, sweet hearts. I don't believe at any point my attitude was 'WE MUST LYNCH PENGUIN RIGHT NOW!'

Now I'd quite like to see Toben follow up on my response, because at the moment everyone seems to want to rally around his opinion as the entire basis of my lynch, which, again would be a phenomenally bad idea.

Oh yes I was supposed to do this wasn't I?


Blame nausea. Pan's Labyrinth was on and all the violence from Vidal just made me have to throw up and get all forgetful about doing stuff like that.

For the record I don't consider killing someone to be an easy way to disprove a claim, since you have to lose the player in the whole process and that just makes the mafia's job easier.

It's a bit much to say I've been drawing the entire phase into this black hole when me and Penguin are pretty much the only two talking about it right now. I think you give me more credit than I'm worth if you think I can manipulate an entire phase into talking about nothing, especially since occasions when I have been scum tended to have me going to the sidelines more than anything.

To be quite frank, I'm pretty much done questioning Penguin anyway. Truthfully I decided fairly quickly that the claim was most likely legit when no-one else counter claimed; I merely prodded the issue as a way to get people talking. Sadly, since as I said, it's pretty much just me and Penguin discussing it, and the poins we are discussing at this point are pretty much nitpicks, there's not much point doing that anymore.

That said, I believe you're overstating how much harm this whole thing has done, considering that the only points of debate so far have mostly been Dom and this one, and the Dom one was a potential case at best. Now if I was distracting us from a legitimate target, well then sure, go for it, but you're painting me up as an awfully devious mastermind right now Toben, considering that all I did was fish for reactions.

But, like I said, no-one's biting anymore so I'm ready to move on. Not that I have anyone else I like to look at right now, but you can only ask a man so much, especially when his head's still reeling about how all the violence that could've sprung from this.

oh look he's backing down when someone puts heat on him gasp he must be scum

Yes alright granted, that answers it fairly preemptively. Although it looks to me that your entire reasoning for thinking that I'm scummy is that I find you scummy, and also because apparently that's the 'easy' option, which I consider a little off. Almost as off as the sight of blood makes me.

Actually you seem quite intent on picking apart every thing I do, Penguin, so why don't you say outright whether you find me scummy or not? Just so we can avoid the bullshit.

Because you know, as it stands, I'm getting pretty sick of this nitpicking back and forth. I was already pretty sick because of my constant self inflicted bloody imagery, but I can get sicker.

This just happens to be the topic I most like discussing. I don't particularly find anything deconstruct-able about the nature of Dom's posting quirk, and we won't know what he meant by a week's worth of prep until he tells us. Doesn't seem to be the sort of thing one can accurately guess on anyway. Do you take offence to all pursuits that actually follow through on their claims, or just the ones directed at you?

Plus I believe my original point was that I couldn't see Elena using a miller, not that she never has. Also, you're insisting that there can be a miller in this game because she's used one in the past, so that's basically saying she'd be basing the roles in this game off the ones in the past word for word. No misrep at all.

Cripes, going around in circles with you just makes me ill. Walking into a blood bank ill.

Can we get back to the important things now, like who else could be scum and why?

Not that I'm letting penguin off the hook, I just don't have anything else to ask her at the moment. Feel free to provide me with questions, hun.

Just because something's easy to do or lazy in execution doesn't mean it lacks effectiveness. Notice all those posts that follow up from your miller claim, quite possibly prodded along by the guy who chased it up? Oh hey, stuff to look at later.

But thinking on it, no, cops investigating Penguin would be pointless. They should not do that. (Though hey look at that you've still avoided investigations for the rest of the game).

Also, "You're wrong because this is how I've said things are"? Nice defence sweet heart, but I'm standing by my theory that you can't base Elena's roles on a game from over three years ago.

Hate to break it to you Penguin, but you're still my favorite target on the scum radar for the time being. If nothing else, you're still a good discussion point.

You're inviting roles to target you, and the only way the role cop can back you up is if they come forwards, and I think we have better use for a role cop than to out someone who's claiming to basically be a townie. A townie who knows what she's doing a lot of the time, but a townie none the less. Course if the role cop has to come forward for any other reason then hey might as well out Penguin at the same time, but sweet heart, you're still inviting more claims when they aren't worth it.

Also, if you're not willing or able to put your cards where your mouth is, then don't claim. All you're saying at the moment is that you can't defend yourself, so we should stop paying attention to you making a big claim like miller. Good way to blend in if you do happen to be scum, but hey, you know what? I like paying attention to things that catch my interest. Call me Ooo Shiny Man.

On the plus side, putting all that out gave me time to get over how sick I was thinking just imagining someone getting lynched violently over this. Oh no, there it is again.

Yes, let's joke Persy for making a pretty much pointless post, rather than, oh say, the girl who's gone and smokescreened herself permanently. If you're a legit, you waste a cop investigation and everyone's still second guessing you. If you're a mafia, then by golly the girl's gone and gotten herself safe for the rest of the game.

And fyi, Elena hosted Board Mafia in 2009. Girl can change her opinion after four years.

Excuse me if you consider me probing the one who's drawn all the attention to herself to be poor form. I'm still nauseous from the thought of all the potential bloodshed.

/points out your claim is scummy
/has a disdain for hunting scummy people

Don't try to put words in my mouth Penguin, that practice just makes me sick. Sick as the thought of bloody murder.

Wow, Penguin's made me feel sick right off the bat. Almost as sick as the thought of blood and guts and oh shit there I go

First of all, I'm rather skeptical that Elena would even include a Miller. It makes a rather lovely cover in the meantime though, given all the faith the claim's been getting lately. It gives me a bad feeling in my gut, and that isn't just because I'm envisioning scum murdering people in night in horrible ways and oh god there I go again

Second, questioning people for contributions this early in the game is rather off, too. Obviously people need to contribute, but given that everything's been rather jokey so far, I'm just confused why you'd bring it up. Confused and still nauseous about the whole blood topic agh.

So, screw it, might as well start somewhere when my head stops spinning.


Vote: penguin_alien

Worst case scenario I still feel ill and we don't have to question a miller for the rest of the game.