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SOTF v4 Mafia, Game Thread
He could have, but a vague vote like that is still an easy way for scum to jump on a bandwagon.

SOTF v4 Mafia, Game Thread
I'll say to you what I said to Vinny: put an explanation behind your vote, don't toss it on a with a vague 'Slamexo is suspicious as hell'.

SOTF v4 Mafia, Game Thread
Reasons which he outlined, I responded to, and he retracted his vote on.

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Okay, what's my motivation to fake such a belief in the first place?

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Right, except I don't believe that anymore; I accepted that was a mistake the second Namira pointed it out.

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I assumed since we stopped having super kill everything hitman then stuff happened and no I didn't think it through. Okay, so Tobe could've been blocking the mafia's killer or a serial killer, or some other role we haven't narrowed down yet.

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I'm trying really hard to reply to you Side, but I honestly don't understand what you're getting at.

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Because the roleblocker stopping the mafia killer is so often brought to attention in our games; it's inexcusable that I would forget that it's possible.

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Roleblockers aren't more likely to block a townie just because a designated killer's not in play; they have as much chance of blocking a mafia member as they do anyone else, their own logic and deductive skills aside, because they can block anyone they target whether or not that target has an ability.

Besides, my mistake was never about whether or not roleblockers had a purpose; it was about that the mafia's kill couldn't be roleblocked when typically they can. It ties in to the usefulness of roleblockers, yes, but as I stated above there are non-killing roles within the mafia as well as third party killers where a roleblocker would be useful even if the mafia kill couldn't be stopped by them.

For that matter, how would me being mistaken about what the roleblocker can do mean that I'm scum? Are the mafia less likely to know than anyone else?

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You're saying that what I was reasoning is not a typical set up; okay, so why would me believing that it WAS the set up make me scum then?


It's possible that you yourself don't believe what you're typing.


No, sorry, you're going to have to explain more thoroughly to me how that works, especially since that sentence was a lead in to the next sentence and not a statement in itself.

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If I was scum, then I'd obviously know that it isn't and not make the mistake in the first place.


Scum sometimes make decisions without thinking them through. Happens to the best of us.


What decision?

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Then explain to me why the dodgy reasoning makes me scum.

You're saying that what I was reasoning is not a typical set up; okay, so why would me believing that it WAS the set up make me scum then? If I was scum, then I'd obviously know that it isn't and not make the mistake in the first place. Whilst the game's have been changing a little with the roles lately, it's like you've been saying: a designated killer in the mafia has been pretty constant.

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Roleblockers are not alternate doctors: there are roles in the mafia that aren't killers, as well as the serial killer who is usually immune to night kills, not roleblocking.

You people are turning a missed step in logic into a justification to lynch a little too easily, and frankly I don't like how Namira played this card in the first place: she gave me the option of explaining myself and then stating that she doesn't like how I've done it, or lying and claiming that I have some magical secondary knowledge I decided to dangle out in front of everyone for some reason.

I'm used to Namira looking sideways at me, she's done it in plenty of past games, but this is a flimsy push even by her standards.

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Oi, let's not let the phase stall out folks. If you have any opinion on anything, share it. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting on Namira to tell me if she's satisfied or not and for Vinny to put some actual explanation behind his casual vote

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TDS is right, I meant OP as in overpowered.

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Hey Vinny, why don't you explain this vote instead of just tossing it on with a terribly vague 'I find him suspicious.'?

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Slamexo
Mar 29 2012, 12:36 PM
I assumed since we stopped having super kill everything hitman then stuff happened and no I didn't think it through.
That was the basis of my original thought; obviously I can't guarentee that decoy isn't using a super kill everything Hitman, but I assumed we stopped doing using after it became obvious it was somewhat OP, like how we discourage allowing role PM quoting these days. Then I went from 'no more hitman' to 'no more designated killer' to 'no-one to roleblock'; not an unreasonable leap of logic, despite the quality of it.

Satisfied?

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Or, rather than knowing more than I let on, I could have thought that the mafia worked the way I thought it did and based my logic in error.

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I'm being grumpy? I thought I was being relatively civil this game.

And what, can't a guy give advice to the moderator that their text may be giving some people an advantage when they're supposed to be neutral? Forgive me if I want to fight on fair terms.

Anyway, you people will have to give me more reasons for why I'm drawing suspicion to myself than a lack of thought on whether or not the mafia can be roleblocked.

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And I'm about to go out for a few hours, so bear with my silence if someone's going to press this.

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I assumed since we stopped having super kill everything hitman then stuff happened and no I didn't think it through. Okay, so Tobe could've been blocking the mafia's killer or a serial killer, or some other role we haven't narrowed down yet. If he was stopping anything, which again flavour text seems to imply.

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I'm assuming the mafia cannot be roleblocked, since they function as a collective entity rather than a single person, and it's unusual to have more killing roles than the mafia, the vigilante and the serial killer. Of course we still don't have confirmation that there is a serial killer, but Tobe's been stopping someone and it sure as hell hasn't been Holly.