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V4 Part 2 Mafia Game Thread
I don't really expect boogie's claim to be fake. That said, I also don't think that we'll lynch anyone else today, and at least this time our lynch will have people behind it to talk about, as opposed to those four dead bodies who we can't exactly deconstruct the hell out of.

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Sad truth is that it's pretty hard to get info from the people we killed, so we basically have to rely on yesterday's information or kill the quiet ones. At this point I'm willing to pressure people on the down low just so we get some conversation going, because otherwise people have no motivation to talk with nothing to say and nothing is gained.

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(Sorry typo, my statement was meant to be that you keep suggesting Ciel knows more than he should)

I'm not really sure how you expect Ciel to know who the roleblocker is. Whilst I personally wouldn't admit it if I kept getting roleblocked, I can see where he's coming from if it happens twice in a row. Though I will admit that knowing the mafia has a roleblocker isn't exactly the holy grail of information, and it does obviously give Ciel a lot of cred, with my chain of reasoning probably happening to it.

Honestly, unless I have reason to believe that Ciel is lying about being roleblocked, I still think it helps reaffirm his innocence, but I don't want to get too much tunnel vision here.

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I don't really think you're scummy, you just kind of poked your head in but then went quiet again so I can't really tag you as either with confidence.

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Deamon - Has gone a bit quiet for a while, can't really decide anything.

Un-Persona - Leaned scum for me a bit yesterday, but at the moment I'm not as concerned. Not really convinced town, but not as suspicious of either.

MK Kilmarnock - Hasn't really set off any warning bells, but I think he has been tending to be a bit opportunistic. I'd have to reread posts to really get a better idea.

Kalopsia - No comment. Can never decipher his behaviour enough to get a read period.

Doc - I am still not leaning very nicely towards Doc; the fact that he is taking free pot shots to suggest that Ciel is scum, by way of knowing more that he shouldn't, doesn't ring well with me on top of what went on yesterday.

Ciel - Still think he's using logic and valid reasoning. I don't consider changing his mind after Vyse made such a drastic change of the nature of his reveal to be opportunistic (I did the exact same thing), and on the whole I get a town vibe from him.

Naft - Still largely a null read, but I don't really appreciate how much he wants Ciel dead whilst ducking his line of questioning. Could swing towards scum in a pinch.

Psychadelic - Don't really have any reason to suspect them at the moment, but otherwise not really thinking anything.

Everyone else - Eeeeeeh null reads. These are just the fore-runners.

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Also I really dislike the argument that someone is suspicious because they only started talking when someone started trying to make them look scummy. If they don't say anything, then they look scummy anyway! Morton's fork!

Also, the fact that Ciel came forward is kind of a plus on the town meter. If they were a scum with a night action, then they no longer have a reason to worry about it with Decoy gone, so why risk the power by calling attention to it? I'd rank a power role for scum as more valuable than a tiny bit of town gain when they were already under a lot of scrutiny, but that's just me; I can't speak for every train of thought.

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Why would a mafia/SK target Skraal in the first place? And why would they then attempt it again when attempt one failed?

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I think he's saying that her character fits all the roles except for being town aligned.

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Also I would like to reaffirm that if Ciel was blocked by a mafia roleblocker, that would go a long way to reducing his scumminess. Whilst we can't guarantee that it wasn't Decoy, I don't like to rely on fluff since most mods know better than to reveal important info in it, and my chain of logic still favors Decoy targeting Vyse.

But then I never thought Ciel was that scummy in the first place, so maybe I'm bias. That or just open minded.

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The one shot bulletproof is a notable concern. It means that we either have someone who can pierce protection, Skraal was one of the missing kills on night one (why they would target her twice brings up questions), or we have a FIFTH kill.

I favor option two, but I am not closed to option one.

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I really don't understand why everyone's so driven to pin stuff on Ciel.

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If we go by that theory though, then the only other candidate would be that Sickness targeted Vyse, and I still don't see why a hider would choose a PGO as their hiding spot, unless they assumed they'd be safe to do so but anyone who tried to kill Vyse would die instead and they'd be basically invincible. I could see the thought process behind it, but I don't know if Sickness would take such a wild risk.

Even if that is the case, then that means we don't have one, but two unexplained kills.

Though it does occur to me that in a game this large, we may potentially have two mafias AND another killer. HOWEVER that makes me wonder where the third party's kill went on night one, since I find it unlikely two would pick the same target, and one of those targets picked by anyone that night would be protected.

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That more or less confirms the presence of a roleblocker that isn't Decoy then.

Of the people killed last night, Decoy's role as a roleblocker suggests him as someone who targeted Vyse and paid the price. Sickness probably had a plethora of better choices for who to hide behind than Vyse, and no-one else last night had any active abilities.

This raises an interesting concern though. There was only one death on the first night, but four on the second? I find it unlikely that any vigilantes we have would opt to act on night two but not night one when no new information had come out, and I don't see why a JOAT would blow their kill on the list of relatively minor names (sans Penguin, who could easily pass for a high priority target), that we had running around. I'm willing to let it fly that the mafia and other killer may have both targeted Aura on night one, or one targeted someone protected (more likely), but that still leaves us two unaccounted kills last night. Like I said, I'm willing to bet that Decoy targeted Vyse, but this makes me wonder about where the fourth kill came from.

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Ciel were you blocked on night 1 or 2?

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I will be back in about three hours to comment on stuff and I really hope there aren't 80+ new posts in that time.

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I would just like to point out that my question regarding info from a Ciel lynch was more directed at Naft. I am on Ciel's side here, since he just seems to be adopting new stances as new information comes to light. That's generally considered a good thing by me and is being done by, like, half the talkers here. Cause, you know, they're being logical.

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Question! What information will we gain exactly from Ciel's lynch?

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We are going to wind up with a split vote and no lynch here.

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This is critical mass mafia.