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decoy73
Sep 30 2015, 03:29 PM
I was going to suspect Prim, but I am thinking that he is new, so didn't realize that MW's vote was a joke, so he gets off easy. Same with Lore.
Can you elaborate a bit on your Prim read?

I have some more detailed stuff to say, but have to walk a few miles to pay rent and such so it won't be for a few hours.

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Un-Persona
Sep 30 2015, 02:59 AM
At least someone suspecting there's a lie detector every game is better than someone expecting a jester, if equally tiresome.
Fortunately, we know from the signup thread that there are no jesters or lynchers in play.

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Primrosette
Sep 29 2015, 08:04 PM
My vote is still on Unpy because I don't want to randomly change my vote to someone else unless I have a good reason to vote for someone else. And well, I kind of getting a suspicious vibe off of you (MurderWeasel) mainly because you've seem to be focused on me a lot. Why did you vote for me anyway, MurderWeasel?
I picked you arbitrarily during the joke vote phase because you phrased something weirdly. It was a nonsense vote at the time. Interestingly, you developed some patterns of behavior that piqued my suspicion, so I never removed it like I otherwise might have.

I'm focused on you mostly because I've gotten results that way so far, which help me to calibrate my read. You're a comparatively unknown quantity to me (along with Lore, who's been easier for me to get a feel for thus far). Everyone else in the game, I've played with at least once before and often many times, so I have understandings of how they work and what they look for. All I have of you is the handful of posts thus far.

Which brings me to a few more questions:

What would constitute a good reason to change your vote?

Why did you apologize in this post?

Why is it important that your vote actively be on someone?

Do you find Un suspicious? Why or why not?

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Imehal
Sep 29 2015, 06:30 PM
No real change on my reads at the moment, but I am curious as to what you (MurderWeasel) think about the others who are helping Primrosette and Lore (myself included) in regards to some of your suspicions regarding Flare.
I noticed you doing it a lot, and am definitely watching, but it's quite in keeping with your general style and as such doesn't mean much to me one way or the other. When it comes to you, I have a slightly different set of scumtells I favor, and even though I tipped a lot of my hand there in our scumchat last game, I still have some things I think I can judge you more effectively on, whereas helping folks is a null read for you personally. Right now you are trending mildly town for me, but it's super minimal.

I'm more charitable at the moment regarding coaching of Lore because Lore has seemed more genuinely confused.

Semi-related note: Prim, why is your vote still on Un?

I'd be down for everyone saying they're town. Rephrase it if you want ("My role is town-aligned." "My win condition is town victory." whatever) if you're concerned about the voodoo doctor thing that got brought up a few games back. I think on the whole it's a supremely useful practice in an unlikely situation (we actually have a lie detector and there's nothing to prevent them from playing cop), a minimally but still useful practice in most other situations (squirming too much about claiming you're town when, like, the whole game is allegedly trying to be seen as town is pretty suspect, and worst case we torpedo some third party role), and at worst useless in a pretty harmless way (everyone tacks "I am town" onto the end of their first post and we shrug and move on--it takes like two seconds to type even if you're slow at that like I am). If we do it day one, we're not even likely to get TPKed by a voodoo doctor since they won't have had a phase to set up a phrase (if my admittedly almost nonexistent understanding of the role is vaguely correct).

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DuckyB
Sep 29 2015, 04:50 PM
At work right now, but since we're starting this lie detector train and dealing with Vyse(who is certifiably insane), maybe consider the possibility of a scum lie detector? Giving one faction the ability to weed out scum and town might not be in our favor. I'm not sure one way or the other, but I think we should at least talk about the possibility.
That's an interesting thought, though I'm not actually so sure it'd be to town's detriment for that to happen. A scum faction presumably knows who all its members are (barring traitors, Juadses, etc., none of whom would be distinguishable via lie detector anyways in a confirmed multiball setting in any fashion I can think of), so all this would let them do is ferret out other scum, who they're presumably trying to get rid of too. In most situations, I feel it's in a scum team's best interests to get rid of opposing scum fairly quickly to reduce the chances of getting wrecked overnight. There are specific niche situations where I suppose it would be to scum's benefit to gamble by leaving opposing scum alive, but I'm stretching to think of one that doesn't involve tons of qualifiers. In general, I feel like outing members of one scum team to the other is at worst neutral for town (trading the weakening of one opposing force for the strengthening of another) and at best useful (getting rid of scum is getting rid of scum, after all).

That said, I'm actually not very experienced at multiball when it comes to full scum teams, so I may be off on the balance. I'm a little leery of trying to dodge the lie detector test, honestly, though I do like the paranoia and the looking for angles here.

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Right now, the folks I am side-eyeing most (and this is unfortunately off a less thorough reading than I tend to like due to the size of the game, and honestly somewhat light reads overall) are Prim and Flare.

I don't like the specific character of Prim's play thus far--it's too eager to please/willing to back down in a way that feels somewhat artificial to me, especially given a few missteps that could be indicative of a new player struggling with playing scum.

Flare tossed some gasoline onto the joke fire without any real discussion and as one of only two contributions of note. The other reads almost as subtle coaching/distancing, but that's complicated by scum having had daychat at that point--why not just handle it there? Flare tends to be somewhat quiet and a joiner, but here he's joining awfully early on what I struggle really hard to believe anyone could take unambiguously seriously, and he's the one making the least of a nod towards the idea that it's a joke.

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RemoteControl
Sep 29 2015, 09:24 AM
>Only post in the game
>Replies afterwards

okay, I don't even know what to think about this.
I'm pretty sure Yugi was joking.

After the past two or three games, I have discovered that the absolute quickest way to throw day one into mind-boggling chaos is to attempt some levity. Like, I can't find it in the bazillion pages of Scrubs Mafia, but I'm pretty sure Vyse made a joke and got jumped over it too. I'm not quite sure why, but there are a lot of folks eager to take everything completely at face value.

As such, I have scoured the internet and offer the following to anyone making a joke they're afraid may not be picked up on:

Posted Image

I chose this one because it has the best grammar.

Like, toss that at the bottom of your post in a spoiler or something, maybe, so we can skip the otherwise-inevitable fallout of day one claiming Saulus and dropping a list of "scum" not actually in the game or whatever.

Spoiler: click to toggle


In a more serious moment, I'm side-eyeing Flare for his response because taking that seriously is a lot weirder from him than from RC, who displayed some genuine confusion about Yugi's comment and who is in the habit of entertaining every possibility.

Looking a bit at Ricky over it too, but he at least a. agreed that it could be a joke and b. gave some well-detailed reasoning behind his answer. But like, I can see absolutely no situation in which "I'm gonna go inactive! Later!" is anything but a joke, especially when it's immediately followed up by more posts.

Frogue gets some town points for blowing past the nonsense. Also for doing meta theory that's actually useful. I don't actually think it's going to become part of the meta in a lasting way for a few reasons, and have chatted with Vyse about the potential issues/imbalances that can be inherent to such a role (basically, lie detector just becomes literally the cop with the right play unless it's limited in some fashion to prevent that, at which point the claiming itself becomes useless). Everyone is by default soft-claiming they are town until they say otherwise, and no scum member is ever going to do so (mmaaayybbbeee "I am third party" in super niche situations, but that'll then get you pressured for a full claim and that will be checked instead anyways). All that said...

I am town.

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Light town points to Goose for explaining the same thing. I'm gonna try clumping stuff instead of spam-posting since this thread is actually blessedly compact for a change and I don't want to be the one to change it, but if this starts getting wall-ish I'm breaking it and starting a new post.

Un gets minor scum points for suggesting informational lynches get better as the game gets longer. While extremely circumstantially that can be true, the cost of messing up also rises a ton. The funny thing is, he's saying roughly the same things Goose and I have, but the delivery feels slightly off to me, the focus on the wrong aspects of the argument.

I found this post quite amusing, on a note of levity. Was that on purpose?

Bik gets light town points for a discussion of the implications of a multiball game, though cautiously so since he was decoding for Un Espi rather than waiting for Un Espi to answer himself. This could swing the other way situationally. But especially since Bik continued Imehal's flubbing of the speaker, I'm inclined to think it a more townie action than otherwise.

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RemoteControl
Sep 26 2015, 03:42 PM
Lynching someone lurky for information > Letting that someone get modkilled with no info

I mean, if you're about to get lynched, you at least try to defend yourself and give away information.
Situationally yes.

That said, Lynching scum and letting someone get modkilled for inactivity > Lynching someone lurky for information

A phase spent lynching a lurker is a phase where our lynch is not directed elsewhere, and if they're legitimately not engaging to the point that they'll get modkilled, the lynch will likely fall into the rough pattern of "He's not contributing so might as well do this for information." "k." which in turn does not actually provide any information. Coaxing a defense is great, but if we're dealing with a legit lurker and not scum, from past experience they seem often enough to not engage anyways and pursuing that over better leads can be risky (though of course ignoring it can leave us in catch-22s as alluded to last post).

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Seth Crimson
Sep 26 2015, 03:25 PM
RemoteControl
Sep 26 2015, 01:19 AM
How am I supposed to talk at 4 am?

Still, a decoy lynch might be a good lynch. Lynch all lurkers? Or liars? Whatever.
That's the thing, it's better to lynch someone who we're sure of being mafia rather than lurkers who'll most likely be modkilled eventually. Though I agree that lurkers are gonna make it a bit frustrating, especially since they won't give us much of anything to work with, targeting people for it is just gonna waste time.
The lurker thing depends on the situation and mod enforcement. Given discussions I've had with Vyse, I expect him to be really strict on activity enforcement. That said, if people start to slide with minimal effort, that's when it becomes an issue. We want to solve that sort of issue before it becomes a case where we're choosing between lynching an inactive for that since we have nothing else to go with on them and actually pursuing suspect actions.

I guess where I'm going with this is, giving nothing to go off of can be a strategy and it's best to be aware of it (and that goes for folks stirring the conversation while playing hard to pin down, too).

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We randomly lost power. I doubt it will recur. If Irene and I vanish 100% in the next few days, though, that's probably why.

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You did a super wonderful job once again, Frogue. Thank you so much for spending your time on these.

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Primrosette
Sep 25 2015, 06:29 AM
I only changed my vote to Unpy because they and MurderWeasel already have two votes. So I thought about voting for one of them and it just happened to be Unpy. I just thought that it would be okay to do that.
Can you expand on this a bit? What prompted you towards this course of action (dropping a vote on someone who already had a few)? Why Un over me?

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Lore
Sep 24 2015, 07:13 PM
It's cool! I actually studied French for six years and while it's been almost a decade, I can still fake it well enough to get the gist. A few of the roles elude me, but it seems to actually have a few notably different assumptions than baseline mafia (like, as far as I can tell, in vanilla the doctor and vig are the same role).

In general, seeing it lessens my suspicion at the day one play you're advocating--the site seems to work a little differently and generally skew fairly casual. If anyone else wants me to take shots at explaining anything from it I can gladly do so, but I really would rather not do a half-baked translation of the entire site.

That said, here's the doctor thing because it's what stood out to me as most immediately unusual:

The Original
 
Sorcière

Son objectif est d'éliminer tous les Loups-Garous.
Elle dispose d'une potion de vie pour sauver la victime des Loups.
Elle dispose aussi d'une potion de mort pour tuer quelqu'un la nuit.

My potentially-dubious translation
 
The Sorceress

Her objective is to eliminate all the werewolves.
She has a potion of life that can save the wolves' victim.
She also has a potion of death that can kill someone overnight.

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...that's Tryndamere? From the icon, I thought that was Soraka.

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Bikriki
Sep 24 2015, 05:50 PM
But why, tell me, do you vote for Unpy now?

What in their behavior do you find worthy of your vote? What do you hope to achieve casting it?
Yeah, this.

Basically, whenever you make an action, it's best to state why unless you have a specific reason not to (and in such cases, be ready for the heat). The vote can be for something as simple as "I don't like his face!" especially in the day one random/joke vote stage (note that most people voted for stupid and/or frivolous reasons thus far), but it's nice to have something, because every little piece can be useful later on.

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Lore
Sep 24 2015, 11:11 AM
(French version of Mafia is called Loup-Garous, which means werewolves and there's a website about it but I'm not sure if I'm can link it)
I think it'd be fine to link! Unless Vyse doesn't want it for whatever reason or it's got porn on it or something.

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Howdy, y'all! As a quick and perpetual note, since the semester has started and such, I am super slammed every week between Tuesday and Thursday. I'll be checking in, but will likely not be as vocal in those three days as in the other four. This state of affairs is unlikely to change until mid-late December, and even with a huge playerbase and long phases, I doubt we'll run that long.

Lore: can you maybe tell us a bit about the French version you played? Was it online? In person? What were the roles like?

Also, VOTE: Prim. Is it good that you have your role? Is it really? 0_o

Oh and I have my role too and such.

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Daystart PMs are cool by me.