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Caught up. Thoughts to come later though--busy again.

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MK Kilmarnock
Dec 28 2015, 01:15 PM
Bikriki
Dec 28 2015, 08:36 AM
I actually do not believe that the blue colouring of dear Backslash is indicative of any particular faction, but simply a neutral colour chosen so we don't automatically assume she's scum or town.
My only problem with this is that we got a town color from Lore. So why only obscure one of them?
Potentially, there's a faction hidden until some trigger is flipped. We did not know of cult until Yugi's death. This could be something similar--revealed only after a certain amount of time/killing a member of the faction/whatever. In such a case, where knowledge of the faction is itself a balance concern (as I presume it was with the cult), obscuring the alignment of a modkilled player makes some sense to prevent the death from being an even greater disadvantage to their team.

That said, I think spending too long speculating on this is unlikely to get us much. I'm assuming something roughly similar to my theory is in play or that i's not too big a deal and we'll get the info in a phase or two.

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dmboogie
Dec 27 2015, 04:29 PM
I can't tell if he actually wants to get lynched or if he's just trying to bait scum into shooting him
Do you see any problems with pointing this out if it's the latter? How does that synergize with Slam's claim that it'd be way worse for town if he died during the day phase?

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MK Kilmarnock
Dec 27 2015, 02:50 PM
If he's utterly kill-proof he has to be town, but I considered that there's a chance he's limited and if it is, he really is scummy and we're in trouble.
Actually, I'm gonna go ahead and say "Not quite" here. There's a small chance for something really wonky with the setup like, say, that Doc is a god and cannot die but loses if he has no influence (that is, when he runs out of cultists, assuming he started with some--town does have the ability to drop at least two players per day and thus can outpace a cult with luck, though IMO such a setup would likely be problematically balanced absent other restrictions). I've actually heard of a vaguely similar game before, where the godfather was revealed to town but was immune to everything until his whole mafia was eliminated.

I don't think that's what's happening here, for the record. I think Doc is town and being legit, based on his play thus far. But I don't think his role alone is proof that he's town due to the high number of potentially weird setups in play.

FYI family is around again and I got mildly quizzed on what I was doing while writing this post. Will be chugging through to the end of the thread when it comes to reading at least, but probably going largely quiet again here for a bit. Sorry. :(

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dmboogie
Dec 27 2015, 04:00 AM
General Goose
Dec 27 2015, 03:28 AM
I agree on the Aura lynch. That post set off all the alarm bells.

And yeah, I'm not going to support a Doc lynch. I want SOMEONE to die today.
I dunno, maybe if we go long enough without any deaths the computer running this simulation will shut itself down out of boredom. That's kind of a win! :V
I do not like this particularly, even as a joke. Why? Because we actually have a faction in play who most definitely benefits from long spells of inactivity (the cult). Not a huge flag, but could potentially be a bit of a slip.

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MK Kilmarnock
Dec 25 2015, 08:56 PM
In regards to Elena, I'm not very suspicious at this point in time. Let me take a quick re-read of some of her most recent posts (seriously, I love this Zetaboards feature. The only way it could be improved upon is by being able to click on a post and have it direct you to where it was in the thread but that doesn't seem to be the case).
You can actually do this. From the list of posts, click view all posts by this member. Then click Post #Whatever to get to the single post. Then you should see something that says "Viewing Single Post From: Whatever Thread" where "Whatever Thread" is a link. Click it, and voila.

No idea why the process is so complex and unclear, though.

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Hey, everyone. Apologies for my absence all this phase to date. The short of it is that family extended their stay and we're doing a ton of all-day excursions, and the living situation is such that I have almost zero time without someone within five feet of me, often commenting on what I'm doing. This situation is fun bu also extremely non-conducive to how I play mafia. I'm starting the phase from the top, but I'm not gonna live-respond as I usually do for anything but the most standout stuff because my time is limited. I'll return t full availability on New Year's Day.

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Wouldn't it be weird if I already addressed that?

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Thoughts:

I do not think Slam is being truthful in his claim, or at least not entirely so. His play does not mesh well with it and Slam tends to studiously pursue specific angles based on his role. His whole manner of introducing his claim feels quite off to me, and given his public claim and his behavior I rather doubt scum will shoot him even if he's telling the truth. His claim is incredibly convenient to both discourage a lynch and explain why scum aren't shooting him (because they're baiting for a lynch).

Doc also told me he was lynch-proof (quoted below). That said, since I generally trust his claim and am town-reading him, I'm totally willing to test it if the alternative is a no-lynch; that way we at least get some information from the phase. Besides, if he's lying, we find out. It's lower priority for me than the various other "Lynch me please"s going around, though,

Doc via Slam
 
"I had passed a longer message on to Murderweasel in hopes of some divine revelation, but it appears he's somewhat busy and in the interest of getting what must be said out this day-phase, I'm going to cliff notes the main points here with the hopes that he'll be able to post the full message at a later time.

Whoopsies, did not realize I was meant to share. Here you go:
Doc via Me
 
"Kilmarnock seems to think passing my suspicions about you on to him is some kind of gambit. The Bastard Pantheon finds this amusing, especially when it was specifically noted that these suspicions were passed to Frogue previously but left unaddressed. Nevertheless, I would like answer his question as to why he was chosen for that particular divine communication, as the reason is rather simple: I have a small ring of my children that I've settled rather comfortably into reliably communicating with for the day when I have something I want the whole town to know, and I"m developing a cycle of sorts for my own purposes to test a few things I have not been granted liberty by the Pantheon to reveal yet. While there is method to my madness, it has little to do with stirring up specific inter-player grudge matches and more to do with who I feel will reliably communicate my messages to the town.

Which brings me to you! I'm curious as to your take on my gut read here. You seem extremely confident for this early phase in the game, whereas when town you often seem more uncertain and leading. I can't help but note this pattern with some trepidation. Wood you perhaps spare some consideration therein to elaborate on your confidence that individuals such as myself, Bikriki, and Vyse were initially running some sort of gambit rather than being restricted in our methodology?

I will try to spare the pure-hearted of this town some time with this push on my celestial personage: lynching me is, in the surest sense, a complete waste of time. I am a tree. You cannot hang me, only cut me down. To be more blunt, I'm claiming lynch-proof. If you wish to test me, you may do so, but note that it will only result in my first priority message being a collage of DX highlights sent first-class to whomever happens to hammer me when they find me disappointingly alive and synthesizing.

Here's a curious note about Pippin that I would like to highlight from Kilmarnock's response: Pippin is bemoaning the fact that he doesn't seem to have a bastard/non-standard role so far. To my knowledge, he's the only person to openly admit that so far. And in the kingdom of mad bastards, the normal, the simple, and the contrite are the true invaders, are they not? And if madness is infectious in the land of the sane, can it not also be said that sanity is infectious in the realm of the mad?

Cultish perhaps, even?

Something to think on, perhaps.

Praise be me,
DuckyB"

Quick note that unless I'm explicitly instructed I'm erring on the side of not sharing with town. Please let me know when you want stuff passed along!

Also, Frogue, thanks for reiterating my poke to Aura. I am very interested in the answers to those questions to Aura and Decoy, next phase if not by the end of this one.

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Frogue
Dec 18 2015, 03:57 PM
Well some of us use zeta original and can't read the yellow text Vyse, so I'M SORRY
Why formatposts on Mini make me cry.

Prim
 
So I'm going to change my vote.

How come?
Ricky
 
Any reason we're all suddenly voting for Slam? I mean besides the fact he's being supremely unhelpful, his arguments lack any substance, he's largely abrasive in his responses...

...

Any reason OTHER than that, though?

Slam
 
Anyway, my rebuttal to Tobe's accusation:

MurderWeasel
 
Overall:

I really do not like Slam's vague claim. It's super bad news because he's drawn a target on himself for scum for no discernible reason. Like, his warning about Yugi makes no sense in light of his own claim, and his volunteering afterwards to be shot is just weird. It's a ploy of some sort, and I feel it is likely not a town one.

UNVOTE
VOTE: SLAM

This is a great strategy and I heartily endorse it. Vote for Slam! (Or shoot him tonight, either or (ideally the latter but at least I can see progress towards the former))

Slam
 
No clue who 'cause Slam didn't attribute it
 
Slam - because what the fuck is he doing



I'm trying to freaking die geez.

Slam
 
Yes let's ALL vote Slam. I will hammer myself, for added candy.

I mean, this isn't why I'm voting him, but he's certainly not trying overly hard to not get lynched right now.
Decoy
 
Yeah, I'm not buying it. Granted, I've had to rush through all thirty-nine pages, but as of yet, there's nothing to confirm that Slam is scum.

Aura
 
Yeah, Slam's not ringing any bells for me either.

Why is this bandwagon happening, exactly?

I find these two responses quite curious. Not the lack of jumping on Slam--there are actually some solid reasons I can see for holding back there, even if I don't hold with them--but for the total lack of acknowledgement of anything off about his behavior, in light of the above quotes (which weren't, like, cherry-picked sarcasm being spun or anything but complete posts).

Can you two look over the above again, maybe give the rest of Slam's posts a read, and then comment further on your take on him? I'm separating you two from Ricky, for the record, because even though Ricky's thoughts seem pretty much the same as yours, he's giving off much more of an impression of having weighed the entire issue.

@The lord of trees: I have received your message and will expand to some degree ASAP but am posting this in my few minutes before bed so this may be incomplete. To everyone getting half a conversation, sorry, and if Doc so desires I can post his end but will not do so unprompted at this time.

As to my play early in the game being seemingly more confident than normal, I honestly can't say. Vyse is on me for being less confident than typical, so it seems to me that something must have been lost in translation. I think a big thing on my end was a rather uncommon brevity prompted by RL things giving me less time to post and thus forcing something of a stylistic switch. As to my confidence that a gambit was in play: Basically, I didn't take post restrictions into consideration because I don't have one and I didn't find obvious evidence of anyone else having them--I didn't figure out what Vyse was claiming until he spelled it out, and didn't grok what you were dealing with fully until a bit after you explicitly told me. I do, however, know how both of you enjoy gambits from time to time, and thus applied Occam's Razor incorrectly. As to Bik, well, I couldn't figure out any reason to post what he did--I still think now it was a bad move, but can understand where he was coming from.

On your other point, it's definitely strange and has certainly crossed my mind as potentially off, though I note that we have evidence now that certain facets of roles may be hidden from their bearers.

Finally, a quick note for everyone: I find it highly unlikely Doc is scum based on his play thus far. Yeah, part of it is that it's oddly obvious even for a game as screwy as this one. A bigger part, though, is that Doc has struck me as searching, both in his private messages to me and in those posted in the thread, in a way which does not ring of his typical scum play. I'll expand a bit tomorrow if possible--everyone here is going to bed so I basically have to leave off mid-sentence. :(

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Deamon
Dec 17 2015, 07:34 AM
Tobe I also want your reads on me, Vyse, Lore, Prim, Ricky, Elena and Frogue when you come back or now, whichever since I want something from you that isn't this tunnel fight aka the thing I was trying to avoid.
Sure thing! Pressed for time so these may be varying shades of cursory or inaccurate. Ended up out longer than expected.

I think I've covered Vyse at length. His claim is insane for non-town outside a very small possibility he's a lyncher, but I honestly don't think that's the case. If it is, he's misplaying uncharacteristically unless he kicks it tonight (or mmmaaayyybbbeee tomorrow) and has to succeed before then. If that's the case, it's pretty immaterial and we'll know quickly anyways. Pretty sure he's confirmation-biased town.

You strike me as more town than not. I actually have a really difficult time with your style because you tend to engage off things you take for granted as good/bad ideas and not dig into them in extreme detail--this then runs int trouble when other people are running off contradictory ideas. However, in general your tone is more town than scum; you're being snarky and somewhat aggressive in a way I've come to associate with your town play.

Loretta: Anytime someone says "Shoot me" I say "kay." Loretta's seeming lack of vote doesn't necessarily mean much, though I tend to say it makes her more of a liability than an asset if she counts towards determining votes-to-hammer. In general, she's made herself highly suspect in a seemingly deliberate fashion, again, and while after last game I think there's a high chance that's evidence of misplay, I don't think it should go ignored. The only way her play strikes me as good, pro-town play is if she's some form of tree stump--basically, I once heard of a role that's ability is being immune to everything (full bulletproof lynchproof ascetic) that in return has no vote and no other abilities and effectively is just there to talk at folks. In such a case, baiting a Goose shot both proves Loretta's claim and gives him a safe target to aim at every phase in which he doesn't want someone to die. In short, I feel we should take a shot/lynch at Loretta the second nothing better is going on. Scum read or very misguided town.

Prim: I don't like a few elements of Prim's defense against Elena's accusations. Specifically, there are somewhat clumsy attempts at turnaround and at diversion, which strike me as flailing more than actually addressing the situation. That said, flailing can also mean confused town and I see a few elements of last game's Prim on the defensive here. I'd say I have a minor scum read on Prim, but lower than most everyone else I've called out as sketch.

Ricky: A few alarm bells for me from Ricky's court because I don't recognize his play. Ricky is always hard to read in the early stages, but whoever it was who dug through his actions last game has me thinking there's a chance he's pulling a similar gambit. Light scum read but it's all gut here--I'm pretty baffled by his actions this time around.

Elena: I'm out of touch with Elena's style, but what I like is that she's going after something a step to the side from everyone else. I do think Prim is a bit sketchy (see above), but I also think she may be focusing on Prim a bit hard given the magnitude of the situation and the stage of the game. Null read from me for now; I need to get a better feeling for her process again. <fake edit> I do like Elena's longer analysis post later a good bit and it makes some things come clearer but does not necessarily change my idea that she could be picking up on newbieness. But it makes me think she's legitimately hunting for scum.

Frogue: I like Frogue's play. I have a town read here based off Frogue's interaction with my own dispute with Vyse. Frogue has given a pretty good indication of actually trying to sort through the evidence, while at the same time remaining skeptical. It's not the sort of fence-sitting non-committal style I often see from scum trying to feign activity, either. That said, I have never seen Frogue's scum game and could be failing to give due credit. Right now, though, as confident a town read as I have on you and Doc. Bonus points since IIRC Vyse also likes Frogue's play.

Note that I have more relatives arriving at ~12:30 am so this post may truncate suddenly sans full thoughts. Trying to do my best but graduation is tomorrow so I'm just not gonna be around much.

Deamon
 
Frogue I am sorry but stop telling Prim the exact reasons people might be finding them scummy and how to defend themselves. It looks like coaching and may even be coaching but it is really not helping.

Actually, scum have confirmed daychat so I'd say if anything it's evidence Frogue and Prim are likely not allied scum.
RC
 
Maybe we should sometimes make a mafia game with just pictures. I'd love it.

I would be so down for that you don't even know.
Frogue
 
Prim strikes me as a townie who doesn't really know what they're doing. It's more useful to have a townie who does know what they're doing, so I'm trying to facilitate that. Prim giving us actual reads on people rather than freaking out about Nam's vote is only going to be for town's benefit.

The one slightly odd thing here is IIRC we sorta went through this exact same process including explanations last game.

That said, I think maybe after this game it might be a good idea to have some more out-of-game chat on theory and stuff, because I feel like it could really help level the playing field a bit among those who choose to participate. /tangent

Just hit Yugi's role, and the modifiers intrigue me--If I'm reading right, he was gonna eat every action night two and onwards and no-sell anything except kills. A cult in play can change the situation a lot--for those inexperienced, it means that folks may become scum as the game progresses. I've only played with one once that I can recall (Penguin's bulletproof miller vigilante claim, though I forget which game it was). Basically, though, look for changes in behavior patterns and don't assume a town read on a specific phase guarantees that person will remain town.

Frogue
 
Anyway @Nam, would you be able to give short reads on Goose, Bik, Backslash and Aura? Also maybe Slam and MW, if your thoughts of them have changed since last time you posted on them?

Poke me if I don't do this soon. I can't promise it'll be tonight, though.
Bik
 
I actually have the same role restriction as Loretta (or was it Prim? I switch you two up too often). I am unable to vote unless I hammer someone. And since I absolutely suck at Mafia, there's pretty much nothing useful I can do. So I figured I'd try and have a little fun. Guess I can sell that as part of my role flavor.

Why would I want to hammer myself? Well, simply because I feel the majority of lynchings happen when I am asleep, but I want to use my "power" at least once. Which I thought was most viable with my own person.

Simple, eh?

You know... that's crazy enough I can actually accept it. It explains the tone of slight frustration and the ease of claiming to me. Not the same post restriction exactly, and I'm certainly not letting up totally and immediately, but this makes me feel better about Bik.

Ricky
 
this thing grew by 6-7 pages WHILE I WAS AT WORK FOR FOUR HOURS

RL is calling me away for sometimes whole days. Feel my pain. ;-;
Ricky
 
I think that if Yugi's role worked the way I think it does, he should have waited to be killed at night (thus absorbing any kills that the mafia would have tried to rain down on town).

He actually didn't know anything but what happened on his death, if I'm reading correctly. Also of note: roles have hidden components.
Boogie
 
Maybe Vyse was trying to say that Goose is confirmed town but he might be cult? Or that even though that death cleared Goose, that makes it even more likely that he'll be targeted to be culted next night phase?

Actually, we have a lovely piece of info on Goose. We've seen that we get alignment from kills. Goose must kill ever day. So if he misses a kill, it's evidence that something screwy is going on, and if he's all purple when the kill goes down, well, that's also pretty clear. Unless there's something that keeps him showing green while killing for the cult (which is not outside the realm of possibility but strikes me as of lower likelihood) he'll constantly reconfirm his affiliation through the magic of color-coding.

Relatives arrival imminent, therefore leaving it here having caught up.

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EBWOP: I actually have to go to bed for realsies now. Will be back tomorrow night. May have time for brief check-in in the morning, but will probably be sleeping instead.

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VysePresident
Dec 17 2015, 07:13 AM
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VysePresident
Dec 17 2015, 07:03 AM
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You just quoted two totally different things. Goose shot Yugi. Yugi claimed PGO. Then admitted he was joking. We're just waiting on Maddie for the flip.

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VysePresident
Dec 17 2015, 06:57 AM
MurderWeasel
Dec 17 2015, 06:50 AM
VysePresident
Dec 17 2015, 06:32 AM
VysePresident
 
MurderWeasel - Is powering through the day.

Trying to use my words by asking for this post? Then kill? Dunno. Worth.
Me
 
Also, to save Vyse some words, I believe he was asking if you viewed being riled up as an inherently bad thing to be.

Me
 
I don't particularly think you're scum, so I don't get anything out of sparring with you beyond wasting your word limit, which does neither of us any favors.


But okay, if you really want to...
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Vyse
 
No.

If scum, then random = his choice + lying.

Use on Yugi.

I think this is indicative of the careful attention you're paying to everything outside your pet cause.
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VysePresident
Dec 17 2015, 06:32 AM
VysePresident
 
MurderWeasel - Is powering through the day.

Trying to use my words by asking for this post? Then kill? Dunno. Worth.
Me
 
Also, to save Vyse some words, I believe he was asking if you viewed being riled up as an inherently bad thing to be.

Me
 
I don't particularly think you're scum, so I don't get anything out of sparring with you beyond wasting your word limit, which does neither of us any favors.


But okay, if you really want to...
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Vyse
 
No.

If scum, then random = his choice + lying.

Use on Yugi.

I think this is indicative of the careful attention you're paying to everything outside your pet cause.

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I really want to dissect this in depth, but I have to sleep for RL stuff tomorrow, so you get cliff notes:

Vyse
 
Leading statement. Conclusion makes little sense. Lynchbait?

Saying it doesn't make it true. It's a big enough deal we already saw a tunnel fight over it--one where Bik still refused to just spell out what he meant.
Vyse
 
Sweet nothings. Leading statements that are silly.

Bad.

Neither does saying it twice. You didn't like my breakdown of it but I'm right. If Doc were making a play instead of post-restricted, ignoring it is negligent without strong suspicion he's town. You didn't have that, I believe, as a. Doc had only posted his context-free vote so you had no other behavior to judge on and b. Doc explicitly told me he hadn't contacted you, so I know you weren't running off private information there.
Vyse
 
Framing narratives, much?

Seriously?

Point 1: Why did you not point out Doc's behavior? That may help us get to the bottom of this.

Also, I'm framing the narrative... to point out that I dislike your playstyle re: Doc's gambits (and his in conducting them)? Because you'll note that I drew no conclusions whatsoever from it and explicitly state as much. I think it's bad play outside of very specific circumstances. This is not news. There's a lot behind it, but the short of it is that it benefits only the one conducting the gambit unless they can leverage that.

Point 2: You quoted half a conditional statement in the second of three paragraphs absent any context. If you poke through the rest more closely, you'll note that my "Framing the narrative" is in fact a hypothetical breakdown of why Bik's play makes sense as a jester. Do you think I'm wrong?

You've also ignored this:
Quote:
 
It seems to me that what you didn't like was that I didn't have much in my first post. It's true, but I think it's a strange thing to tunnel on when there was not a lot of interest happening. I actually find the complaint unusually hypocritical for you, because prior to its being posted not only had you provided less analysis than the post you didn't like contained, that post has been your primary focus since. Where is all this stuff I should be catching and getting notable reads off of? You don't seem to have found it--you have no notable reads from that same span of posts. In fact, your first real reads post outside the discussion of Elena and me is nearly the spitting image of my "suspect" one: cursory, filled with null reads, and slight town cred given. That's what this phase has offered so beyond, beyond our dust-up... which is entirely prompted by my discussing what the phase has offered so far.

^Should be "so far" and not "so beyond"

I think you're probably being legitimate in pursuing me, but you're also treating me like I'm a way better scum-hunter than you are and everything you have snowballs from the assumption that I could pull information from a clump of posts you were unable to pull anything from. You've decided to selectively ignore, and you're using your post restriction as a crutch. I know how to play the game you're using--it's me vs. Doc in SDR Mafia. The difference here is, I'm right.

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Frogue
Dec 17 2015, 06:23 AM
Murder
 
I responded at great length a few days ago. He's not acknowledged my response and just quoted his vote from before. As I see it, nothing has changed since I last addressed the subject.
So here you say Vyse did a thing you like, and a thing you didn't, here you say he made a solid point, and then here him wanting to shoot yugi suddenly makes him townier to the point that he's all up in your town block? It kinda seems like something has changed, since that's a pretty big like, shift in attitude. I mean, your reads on Vyse seem to have been consistently townish, but not like, solid.

You take the time to mention his eye strain (which like, obviously is very nice of you) but not the fact that he's now actively trying to lynch you? It sends an odd message, I think
^I addressed the lynch. Did you catch my last post? I'm 95% of the way through responding to everything since my last post now, but Vyse had contributed zero since my breakdown at the time besides a picture.

Why is Vyse in my townblock? Because of his generally lightly town behavior coupled with his claim. Vyse picked a flat out idiotic claim if he's lying. I don't think people quite grok what exactly he's saying. I actually didn't get it until I reread his post and found where he said it plainly (which came between posts two and three of your links):

Vyse
 
Also, having realized that this is passive and automatic, I'm both suicidal and essentially Ascetic

This means Vyse dies at Day X (where only he knows X) regardless of what anyone does. X is not going to be a super high number if his role has any meaning. This is not a claim you fake because it gets tested really really fast. As I said, if he's not dead come about day six, it's time to rain the fire of a thousand suns upon him no matter what he says or does. He knows that too, so this is a ridiculous all-in if he's faking and that's not how Vyse plays when unprompted.


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VysePresident
Dec 17 2015, 05:36 AM
MurderWeasel
 
VysePresident
 
Shoot Yugi, lynch for scum.

Doing other is wasting time.


Makes my town read on Vyse stronger.


Even though I do this as scum all the time? I know you know this.

Seems forced.

Slam = Light Townread. Too much dumb risk too fast for him

~170 words left.
Do what? I think we may be missing each other here in what we're catching. It's not you just you pointing out good play that gets town points, but the specific manner and timing thereof.

Slam's play is incredibly erratic for town. Slam plays 100% to his victory condition--it's the biggest constant in his style. That makes waving "Bad things happen if you kill me, guys!" around extremely out of character. He strikes me as working an angle, and I don't think it's one in town's favor. It just does not make sense to go on about how his death is bad news for town and then turn around and volunteer to die... for town's sake.

Can I really quickly get your reads on Frogue, Deamon, and Doc? Just, like, town/null/scum if you can spare the six words (or three if you do them in the same order I'm posting here).

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Frogue
Dec 17 2015, 04:40 AM
@MW, thoughts on Vyse's vote on you? Seems kinda weird your megapost made no mention of it
I responded at great length a few days ago. He's not acknowledged my response and just quoted his vote from before. As I see it, nothing has changed since I last addressed the subject.