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I could give it a shot. I haven't played the game but don't care about being spoiled.

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And most writing doesn't do that either, most pick one theme and stick with it, and/or have some others more in the background. To suggest it's an either/or thing where someone either goes "lol it's an RP I'm not even going to try" or they logically must "spend the time to explore 1000000 concurrent themes that simultaneously exist in pivotal moments of our lives" is absurd. If you (and this is mostly a general you) don't see writing here as worth effort, well, fine, but a) I don't see what the point is then, and b) at least show enough respect to not reduce my point to a ridiculous strawman like some individuals in this thread have been trying to do. I'm not saying "grr, there must be this arbitrary number of backgrounds X, Y, and Z," I'm telling people to at least try, acknowledge a bit of goddamn variety isn't going to make Zeus strike them dead on the spot, and maybe put a bit of effort into making their character feel like they belong where they are as opposed to seeming tacked on. "Make their character feel like they belong" is distinct from "make a character that belongs," too - although they're similar concepts, and for sure sound the same, the way I look at them there's a difference in methodology. "Make a character that belongs" would be like, "okay, most people here are plumbers so my character will be a plumber, and since this is a super republican area he'll be incredibly right wing" (side note: we really could use more right wing characters - in general, not just in V6, though I suppose especially here, with how incredibly liberal our fictional demographics lean). Meanwhile, "make the character feel like they belong" is more like, "I have this idea, which might or might not logically be constrained by the setting - let's see how I can mould my concept, even if I have to change some things, to feel like they could actually be someone who lives here." As much as I've disagreed with Wes in the past, his work on Ty is a good example of taking a core concept and shaping it to fit the location, as opposed to either jamming in someone who makes no sense just because, or feeling like you have no room to work with how the setting already is.

Besides, that barely anyone seems interested in taking the opportunity to use the setting to change up their approach a little, and/or would rather just keep using the same few tacked on ideas and backstories as if we never left Seattle, is just really disappointing. I threw around the word lazy earlier, which I meant more as a warning than an insult - variety and self-challenge are some of the cores of developing one's writing after all, even if, say, Stephen King always writes about weird shit happening to some dude/town in Maine. And even if you already feel you're a good writer, nobody has ever been harmed by practise or spicing things up.

Edit: And re: "I'm not saying it's a lack of effort," you more or less are, given earlier despite knowing full well about the info thread - I've seen you browsing it before this discussion - you dismissed people asking handlers to do more research and put more effort in with "It's impossible to find information on Kingman" (paraphrased). Plus, as one kernel that got overlooked a little here, I'd like to point out again what Tre said that not every character needs to be upper middle class or rich - it's perfectly okay to write characters who aren't super well off, they're just as human and deserving of screen time.

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May 22 2015, 04:26 PM
I think that location severely informs how one interacts with the world in a bunch of nuanced and unnuanced ways, sometimes too nuanced to really express in a forum RP.
Not really, considering the writing standard supposedly held here. And to go "it's an RP, thus not really worth the effort" is just a pointless attitude to take into SOTF.

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Cris is obviously Ben's teammate, and would at least try to get on with him; as the likely candidate for team captain, he looks out for all his teammates, and tries to keep the peace. As Cicada says, he'd likely try to get between any spats Ben's attitude causes, though he'd probably suggest Ben try to be more open minded too.

I'll have other ideas in another post, I just wanted to respond to that since Cris got mentioned.

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May 21 2015, 04:49 AM
May 20 2015, 04:23 PM
I'd also like to tackle the assertion that no version's pregame setting has mattered with two counter-examples (both from Mini, so sorry for folks who don't hang out there).

The first one's a bit of a cheat: Evo. Evo brought together characters from widely different locations, none of whom knew each other prior to the start of the game. These places they were from, though, in a lot of cases did come up and tended to inform what sorts of people they were. Now, it's undeniably way way easier to get such things right when you get to choose where your character is from, but it is proof that at least a good number of handlers were interested enough to take setting into account--even in a game where there was no pregame whatsoever.

The second game where setting means a ton is TV1. It contrasts two schools: an expensive private school in a small city in Texas and an inner-city public school in Detroit. Staff were really apprehensive about it at first, but it generally worked out well--the characters from the schools on the whole had notably different assumptions and manners of interaction, and in many cases it got pretty nuanced. I've actually heard an argument (that I won't repost in full to avoid stealing the thunder of the creator) that the conclusion is the result of attitudes reflective of the different socioeconomic backgrounds of the characters. TV1 was also far and away the most proportionally ethnically diverse game SOTF has seen. So it suggests, on the whole, that people do take the setting into account, and that it can create some really interesting results.
Note that in both of the counterexamples that you brought up, there's a common element that's lacking in the games on the main site: in both Evo and TV1, multiple possible background settings were present within a single game. As a result, taking a particular character's place of origin into consideration when creating the character was guaranteed to provide a contrasting element between this character and a nontrivial number of other characters. It differentiates them.

In v6? Saying that the entire student roster comes from a population that is predominantly lower-to-middle class doesn't have the same effect. It's an element that can be worked into a character's biography, but there's little point in doing so because there's no contrasting element within this version. What incentive is there to make a character from a lower-class family if the opposing background has been reined in towards the middle of the spectrum? It may be realistic to give the majority of the characters in this version such backstories, but in the end it just has the result of partially homogenizing one of the ways in which characters differ in a narrative which already has over a hundred other characters that they need to be distinguished from.
Tacking on things that make no sense just for the sake of standing out is pure lazy writing, however, and the kind of thing profiles ought be denied for.

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May 20 2015, 04:23 PM
I'm certainly not going to go, "Nobody liked Kingman? Well, let's set V7 in Anchorage and make them wish they were back in Arizona!"
I find this ironic since one of my location suggestions actually was Anchorage, Alaska. :P It was mostly a joke suggestion, but still. At the time I'd thought it would be nice to pick an unusual state with more character.

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May 20 2015, 02:39 AM
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I don't feel the probability of characters dying excuses laziness in writing, and "nobody bothers taking the setting into account because nobody bothers taking the setting into account" is a lame argument overall. Not to mention, pregame writing is still writing, and it's a time meant to flesh out your character and develop their story, not just faff about until the game starts; it's not inherently less worth putting effort into just because it's before the island. I'm not saying everyone has to be a toothless meth-addled hick just because it's Arizona, but some effort put into variety and at least reflecting where the place is would be nice, not to mention there is nothing wrong with challenging yourself as a writer. At the rate we're going we might as well just go back to fictional cities, and setting really can be relevant and fodder for interesting characterisation if some effort is put in. It's that lack of effort and rather contemptuous attitude towards the very idea of such I'm protesting, not so much that "you should all be plumbers and dirt farmers" or whatever. Besides, isn't it rather classist that barely anyone wants to write anything but rich kids and people spurn the idea of even trying? :P

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SOTF handlers' general reluctance to make kids who aren't from super wealthy families is an interesting topic of discussion in itself.

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Yeah, A) Not every damn character has to be from a rich family, people! B ) Some basic effort researching is all it needs, especially since I went to the trouble of making an info thread for exactly this kind of thing.

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Does every second character really need to have a lawyer parent? There's more of them now than there were in Seattle.

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Apr 10 2015, 10:57 PM
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The feel I get for Vanessa and Rod, having thought about it, is maybe there was a somewhat chilly initial impression but after they got past that they're pretty cool with each other? Like I said, Rod's not super unreasonable unless you've already made him go nuclear, which it sounds unlikely to happen. Dunno if stoner rock is really his thing but he's probably at least checked the group out.

No worries on Cris. For Kaylee, while she can be on edge it's not so much a constantly visible thing as a private strain she feels, as she puts on a front of always being cheery and stuff. Someone close to her might pick up on it but it's not always going to be obvious.

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Relevant question: Is BB's band Peyote Coyote?

If BB herself does stoner stuff, as opposed to just doing stoner rock, Curtis can hook her up. I could see them getting on reasonably well. Maybe he deals to her brother, too? Also, he sings, and very well, so they have the music angle.

Cris is both slackery/stonery and a competent academic in the subjects that still keep his interest! It's possible he's hit on her, up to you if he's had any luck. I could see his intelligence and his simultaneous slacker attitude when not in the middle of important things he cares about either meaning they have common ground and he's not a threat, or that she doesn't know what to make of him.

Rod has some interest in music and I can see her getting him to check her band out. They could either be friends, or her pushiness/forwardness/pretentious streak could put him off, I'm open to discussing it. If Rod thinks she's talking down to him, he will get angry, and he's a scary dude when mad.

I could maybe see BB getting on with Kaylee but making her a bit uncomfortable with her showiness and forwardness and whatnot.


Cris is a teammate of Gary's, and if there's not a big objection or compelling argument for someone else to be, he might well be team captain. I imagine they're swell together.

Kaylee and Gary definitely seem like they've dated. Probably split on good terms, maybe continued a FWB kind of arrangement if that's a kind of thing Gary is cool with. Wouldn't be happening now though because she has a boyfriend currently. Still, athletic, cultured bad boy sort, I can't see her minding a bit of fun. :P

I'm thinking on Rod, let's discuss when you're free.

It's possible Curtis and Gary are workout buddies, depending on how hard Gary hits the weights! Much like Rod, I'm mulling him a bit because I feel like he and Gary could go either way.


Nate and Kaylee are both in theatre! She'd be all "Guys, stop being mean to him : (" at people picking on him, so I could see them getting along. She lives under a lot of stress though so it's definitely possible he's caught her on a bad day now and then. A fun fact is she's only about five inches taller than he is. She deals with anxiety and self-consciousness too, so she'd have some sympathy. If they're friends she's probably really nice and affectionate to him. She might or might not be uncomfortable if he gets clingy, I'll have to mull on it and it might depend on the extent of it.

Nate's friends with Clarice who's a close friend of Rod's, so he and Rod are maybe familiar, plus Rod is the type most will probably have heard of with how successful a wrestler he is. I could see them being decent acquaintances if Nate isn't scared off by Rod's super serious and intense outward demeanour. He's really ambitious and hard working so he and Nate have that kind of thing in common. They have a shared enjoyment of cooking.

Cris seems like he just doesn't give a shit, and a lot of the time he really is kind of burnt out and apathetic, but he's sharp as a whip and when he's interested he's really competent and hard working. If Nate's seen him in practise or at a game he'd see how intense and driven Cris suddenly becomes when it's time to be serious. How close they are might depend on how sensitive Nate is and if he's tolerant of drugs though; Cris is definitely pro-marijuana, has maybe offered Nate a joint to help him relax before, it's possible he's fired a Tyrion Lannister joke at Nate before or something, but he's someone who cuts out the joking if someone's offended or uncomfortable. He'd definitely take a "you need to stop worrying so much, man" attitude towards Nate though.

I see Curtis as having interacted with Nate before in like musicals and such. He's passionate about his hobbies and is an incredible singer for his age. He does his best to be very cordial to people, and would probably very firmly tell people hassling Nate to behave themselves - considering he's a nearly 300 pound man mountain who powerlifts on a competitive level, people generally listen. He has a scarier side to him, but unless Nate has seriously pushed his buttons for a good while, he's unlikely to see it. Curtis might or might not get annoyed at the clinginess if they're close - it's up to you if they are - but is likely to remain quite friendly even if so; he doesn't believe in burning bridges.


All of my concepts so far make at least some appearances in the party scene, so Vanessa could have encountered any of them through that. Now, for some specifics:

Kaylee is a somewhat common sight at parties, partly because she feels pressured into acting more extroverted than she is. She's pretty and popular and nice to most, she might not like Vanessa's selfishness but if they do become friends there'd be mutual loyalty. She'd go to Peyote Coyote's shows and stuff when she has time!

Rod likes rock, though he's more for the classics, so I could see him dropping by PC's shows if they're any good. He might not approve of the name, something something turning part of Navajo culture into a marketing thing, but if they're good he'll be honest about liking them. It's possible there's been an argument but Rod's not unreasonable about his defensiveness over this kind of thing, he's not going to be a huge dick about it because it's not like they named themselves the Redskins or whatever (if he thought they were actually being racist, he'd quickly be all "Hey, that's racist, cut it out"). There's potential for clashes over Vanessa taking it for granted stuff will just revolve around her, but it's also possible for them to get along. We can discuss it, I'm sorta just blasting all my thoughts onto the page at the moment. Rod is sorta someone where you either get put off by his initial impressions/outward demeanour, or get to know him and realise he's usually fairly chill when he's familiar with you (or, you step on his toes one too many times and he explodes at you). He is someone who tells people exactly what he thinks if it comes up though, so if they know each other she'd better be able to put up with blunt honesty.

Cris likes to support the softballers, though he's busy with baseball so he might not always be dropping in on games and stuff. Between that, shows, and parties I overall see Cris as the one of mine Vanessa is likely to know most. If she's pretty (she doesn't seem bad looking in Frogue's pic, even if she looks like she's stared too long into the abyss O_O) he's probably flirted with her/tried to get with her, though it'd be pretty light and if she said no or acted uncomfortable with it he'd back right off. I don't remember if orientations are incompatible or anything? He's pretty no-worries and nonjudgemental overall, more or less because he just doesn't care enough to get worked up over the small stuff and likes to just generally get along, but if someone's close to him he'll give hell to anyone who gives 'em trouble. Since Vanessa does drugs and Cris is a pot guy, they could always smoke together and stuff too. Depending on how the softball team shapes up/if there's room for NPCs and such/if I throw a softballer into my remaining concepts, I'm reserving the possibility he has dated one of her teammates before because it seems possible.

Curtis is a familiar sight at these things but doesn't go as out of his way to go to them, though he's probably supplied many a party with product. Since you said Vanessa drinks and does drugs, Curtis can hook her up, if he thinks she's trustworthy (he's very careful about his business, and won't approach someone for a deal if he thinks they can't be relied on; their money isn't worth jail time). If they interact, I could see it generally being positive, but he has less immediate stuff to latch on to with her than say, Cris, so it might be up for some discussion. Also I reserve the right to edit this post as ideas come to me!