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open the mafia topic so I can say I told you so
Topic Started: Thursday 6-05-2010, 23:42 (347 Views)
Judge Doom
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the lack of talking on my board really killed this game for me. >_>
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Yeah the mafia boards were way more boring than the last one was.
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ValkyrieRyu
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Choco
Friday 7-05-2010, 00:00
Also...


THE STREAK SURVIVES OWNED TOWN OWNED
Imo, you have to be alive AND on the winning side to win. Your streak is broken man. :V
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Judge Doom
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MCP had 4 posts. 4! TW had what, 9? and BYA had 21?

I seriously considered leaving a fuck you note on the forums and just pming my decisions without their input >_>
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ValkyrieRyu
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Regarding fairness the only thing I'm not happy about is the fact that 317's dead buddies were allowed to help him out a bit. (http://s1.zetaboards.com/MML_Pirates/topic/3253545/9/)

I'm going to post snippets of what MWD and I were discussing after we died. :3 I might just do it here.. because I want to post the snippets then get started preparing my game. :3
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Now that you mention it I should have banned/restricted from posting the dead mafia members.
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TacoOfTheOpera
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Yea after i was targeted by Choco i had a big WTF on me and decided to just to go with it, but was pissed that by the time i had gotten home from the concert i was -2 so i stopped caring because of the mistake by choco.
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Judge Doom
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like you did on my board? Posted Image
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Choco
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YEE-HAW!
Ryu
 
Imo, you have to be alive AND on the winning side to win. Your streak is broken man. :V

That is absolutely not how it works. Mafia won, thus my streak continues.

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Now that you mention it I should have banned/restricted from posting the dead mafia members.

Wait, what? Since when can dead Mafia not talk on the scum board?
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FraN
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In Knives' Mafia we couldn't...
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Dead town players aren't allowed to give input, don't see why it should be different for scum.
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FraN
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Thus scum loses!
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Judge Doom
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no, other scum wins!
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FraN
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Other scum had dead tips as well... >_>
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Judge Doom
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what dead tips? other scum board was dead minus me, and I was alive the whole time
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ValkyrieRyu
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I swear this is way better than the scumboards

I can't remember the days exactly so I'll just put time stamps (times are in PST btw).. starting with after MWD and I found out we died:

MWD, May 3 2010
10:41 AM
i didn't think Choco would actually be the one though but i'll take a satisfying kill. they must be saving their full-time killer for Endgame.


Ryu, May 3 2010
10:41 AM
anyways I think 317 might be a pirate.. he's been a little strange almost to the point of ferocity.. definitely not how he plays as town.. I wish I had said that last night.. :c

Hence my last RB was him. I was thinking, well it's more likely a strong player is godfather, so then 317 should be sent out for kills.. In any case I was right in thinking he was scum. 8D

Ryu, May 3 2010
10:46 AM
Yea I wouldn't send Choco out either.. he drops tells like a toddler eating mushy peas but he's definitely more skilled than half the players.
The only reason Choco would be sent out is if only the Godfather is left. Hopefully that's RLD.

You can see why I thought it was RLD since RLD was hanging on Choco's every word.

MWD, May 3 2010
10:52 AM
i keep telling him [Choco] his personality is night and day when he's on opposite sides, but he doesn't listen.


Ryu, May 3 2010
10:53 AM
Kriem can't be scum unless she's SK since she went with us against Choco.. and I think Fran is clean too because he called Choco out on the 2 mafias thing.. I seriously think the 2 mafias thing is a ploy to make us feel there are more of them than there really are..

I was right on her too~~ You see, my towniedar is about as good as my scumdar o:

Ryu, May 3 2010
10:58 AM
Ssactly.. and the fact that Choco was sent for kill means either every other pirate is a power player (which would basically leave it down to RLD and TW) or there is only the godfather left.. or both. But I think it really comes to balancing of power players.. which would point to TW also being town [this was obviously a Typo.. I meant to type scum as you can see by my little list].. since without me:
Garm & you & knives
versus
RLD & Choco & TW

That would make a looot of sense.

He really is like night day right?! I mean he coompplleeetely contradicts himself! That inactives thing.. that was the real reason we managed to win Pokemafia... and we said after that, well if we're town we're not going to go after inactives like this because it really destroys the town..
Right about TW being scum. Not right about RLD, but then again, RLD was just asking for it, especially after Choco flipped scum.

MWD, May 3 2010
11:00 AM
Kriem is easily led. i wouldn't put it past Scum Choco to keep a few ringers in the crowd. you never go all-in until the last night.


MWD, May 3 2010
11:02 AM
when Choco is Scum, he plays abusively. he badgers people, and generally acts like i do in every game. when he's Town, he does a lot of soft-positional bargaining. he actually asks people what they think instead of trying to bully people into seeing things his way.


Ryu, May 3 2010
11:03 AM
True but.. if Kriem was with them that Kriem would have done a night kill. UNNLESSS. They have double kill, which is likely. Though in that case it was stupid of Choco to go after somebody who might be protected rather than Raven..
Yea I still thought that there was only one scum group. And as a response to Choco, since I didn't get a chance to respond to his statement about if my logic would change if there were 2 scum groups would basically be:
"You think I'm not even entertaining the fact that there are 2 mafia groups? How about you not even entertaining the fact that it might be a cult.
Frankly I'm disturbed by how much you're pushing that there are two mafia groups. There are only 2 reasons why you would say this: diversion [[MWD and I both thought this was a diversion, since town had no concrete way of knowing until TW died otherwise unless we based off of flavour which is stupid and sucks balls.]] (which would still make you scum), or you know for a fact there's another mafia group (which would still make you scum). Basically, the way I see it, you're scum either ways.
And that "I wouldn't sacrifice my own mafia member!" thing is BS. Okay so if we go with that, all that means is you're on the other scum side. :V"

Back to what we were talking about..
Ryu, May 3 2010
11:04 AM
Yep that's basically the way I see it too.. but in any case he really isn't that great because that change in temperament is a huuuge tell.


MWD, May 3 2010
11:07 AM
well, Kriem has to be a power role, she said she wouldn't play if she got another "lame" role. she just doesn't know how to play protective roles is how i take that, so if she is Scum, she might as well be a Doublevote, because she'll just follow someone else's lead. Choco would have had her vote for him anyway, because he wouldn't want anyone going back to my original suspicion of her.

Though he wasn't right about her being scum, he was right she had a power role.

MWD, May 3 2010
11:18 AM
its BYA and FraN i can't quite read yet. Knives is always good for those lists of his, and it amazes me he lives as long as he does when we've been Scum together. i've learned to ignore his lists. they put too much info out at once, and end up being more misleading that it at first seems.


MWD, May 3 2010
11:20 AM
also, BYA still looks sketchy to me because he changes his vote a lot.
Right about BYA~

Ryu, May 3 2010
11:23 AM
Yea Idk about BYA.. but I'm pretty sure Fran is town. He is giving off a townie vibe.. also he pulled up a very clean point about the 2 mafias, which if he was a part of the mafia, he sure as hell wouldn't do. Of course he could be SK but really at this point anybody could be SK.
Right about Fran too~

Now we're at the point where everybody is pointing at RLD for following Choco and for being under suspicion by me.
Also I'd like to mention that Garm PMed MWD and I his role sometime between these two posts, so we knew he was a confirmed townie.. Just bringing that up now in case what MWD and I said doesn't make sense somehow..
MWD, May 3 2010
05:26 PM
no shit. RLD flipped Town. damn.

http://promboards.com/single/?p=8193320&t=7254399

next hunch is actually Kriem. she's being coached. that doesn't sound like her in that post.

(Wrong about Kriem again.)

To which I said something mean that I wont reveal so as to not hurt people's feelings. :D
We were both super surprised though.

MWD, May 3 2010
05:51 PM
i guess BYA will be the next one in the hotseat if he survives the night.

I can't remember exactly but I think that is indeed what happened.

Then a bunch of mean things were said about various things..

MWD, May 4 2010
04:25 PM
i'll bet that 317 is the GodFather.

Right-eo!

MWD, May 4 2010
04:27 PM
also, Kriem is Scum. she's become Choco's puppet.

Wrong-eo!

Ryu, May 4 2010
09:59 PM
Yea 317 is oooobviously scum. (Paree actually practically confirmed it to me via PM earlier today) And I think Kriem might be an Ancient if anything since.. 317 had to make all the kills and the only reason he'd do that is if he was the last Pirate left. And Choco was Pirate so why would Kriem follow him? Anyways I still need to catch up.

Regarding the Paree PM, Paree was clearly ticked off that 317 was not lynched.. I'll show you allz the PM because I think it might make Paree feel a little better, and give better context:

Paree was not happy that Garm mentioned the night action mistake but I told him that if Garm didn't mention it, it would potentially put him in a sticky situation since he had just claimed, to which he said
Paree
 
Which I am certain he [Garm] is able to do [able to get out of the sticky situation without mentioning Paree's mistake and me mentioning the fact that it could potentially be game-changing info] since 317's argument is shit. Protecting himself at night AND killing someone? Are you serious? I'm surprised no one has caught it yet.

I have faith he won't be lynched today, but he will be killed over night I imagine.

Aaand 317 never got lynched. FOR THAT I BLAME GARM. GODDAMMIT GARM D8<
Garm clearly was wondering about 317 after RLD revealed that I had RBed 317.. I REALLY WISH YOU HAD GONE TO THE END WITH THAT.

Also anger between MWD and I ensued regarding 317 passing by..

Ryu, Yesterday
4:49 PM
Tbh he made a mistake with his claim.. the numbers don't add up.
We've had 3 kills (including kill attempts) every night. He said that there was only one night he chose to use his kill. For that to happen one of scum groups or the SK would have to not kill, which is something they would never ever ever ever ever do. We know for a fact that neither of the scum groups have been destroyed and that the SK hasn't been killed yet. That's a reaallly big hole in his story.
That and his claim is sooo OP, and seems like it wouldn't fit this game since we had a town inventor and jack of all trades is rather similar to town inventor.

Also:
317
 
oh and i think its miss lynch and lose time.

reason being there has not been a pirate godfather flipped. no ancient godfather(fran?) flipped. and there is still 1 other ancient out there. (pirates and ancients should have even numbers)


He just showed that he's pirate godfather. He was thinking Fran was ancient godfather. I'm totally going to bring this up when game is over, because it's sad town missed this..


MWD, Yesterday
4:52 PM
actually, in the last Mafia, we held off on our nightkill the first night just as a mindfuck.


Ryu, Yesterday
5:03 PM
Considering how each of the scum groups (calling the SK a group now xD) is wearing thin.. (1-2-1), they can't afford to not kill. I'm wondering how there were two targets on Leos though.. how did they figure it was Leos and not someone else..? Or was like Leos the first on 317's list?

I'm wondering if the other scum groups have even figured that 317 is pirate godfather.. because they seriously might be oblivious to it which is sad.

Do you think Fran is Ancient Godfather or BP? I'd like to think he's BP because of what Kriem said but wasn't Fran eager from the beginning to lynch BYA? If so then Fran really might just be BP.



And then rage rage rage after that.

THE END.
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Raven
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Damn you all, especially Phazon. I was not acting scummy at all...
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ValkyrieRyu
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I myself am considering this game a draw because if Mikey hadn't been mod-killed things could easily have been different.

That's all I have to say about this game, I'm going to go make a thread and prepare mine now. :3
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Friday 7-05-2010, 01:16
I was not acting scummy at all...
Actually I disagree. You seemed iffy to me and I was mildly surprised you flipped town.
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Hmmm.

Can we post roll info yet?
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