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Zersch's Top 20 Albums; (or How I Learned to Love the '90s)
Topic Started: Thursday 8-05-2008, 07:55 (2,535 Views)
Ectopants
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I want to applaud you on having a mixture of artists for your top twenty. I believe the Smashing Pumpkins is the only artist to appear twice and the rest only appear once. I tried making a similar list in word and there were at least three repeats, which is why I'm holding off making an official list for now.
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Awesome listing.
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luciferxsage
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What if you got everything you ever wanted, and it still sucked?
iirc Fred Durst was a bitch who incited nothing. when you see footage of him crowd surfing, he's got about 100 security people under and around the board. i'm pretty sure they came on before Korn on day 2. the riot level hadn't hit critical mass until Zach from RATM lit the south stage on fire. nearly got killed sticking around for RHCP. they were the last set, and the fire had made its way completely around to the concessions. the only way out was to follow the river of tipped over latrine goop...
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What if you got everything you ever wanted, and it still sucked?
not to brag, but i've probably caught around 50 shows in the past 15 years. half the "tour life" stories i tell are from WS99. after a show that intense, no line is too long, no resource too scarce, no crowd too intimidating. (except for the brawl at Ozzfest the year Sharon finally had it with Crazy Town and put them on after BLS. BLS has a large Hell's Angel/SS tat following. i had the good sense to go back to the car for that set. i wasnt about to get a 4ga. chain upside the head over Shifty...)
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Fuck Crazy Town, did the Hell's Angels rush the stage and beat them down? On second thought don't tell me, I don't feel like cumming in my pants right now. The stories I always heard involved shit going to hell after Durst encouraged everyone to literally begin breaking shit down during his performance of Break Stuff, but I wasn't there so I'll take your word for it.

Thanks thekidwiththefa and thanks yet again Ecto. It is quite hard to put together a listing when you have more love for one band than another because then you find yourself slapping all of their albums on there and the rest basically becoming filler.

I'm going to watch Iron Man and then I will begin writing the last entry.
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What if you got everything you ever wanted, and it still sucked?
you can't really get the scale of things unless you were there. Durst may have started the breakage, but hell there was so much shit to break that it took a day to snowball to the point where shit was downright sketchy; walls of flame and rolled over trailers.

hell, originally Metallica was going to play on one stage and Megadeth the other, same time. they decided to change Megadeth's set to another time at the last minute to avoid a confrontation between two 100,000+ strong fanbases. smart move IMO.
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What if you got everything you ever wanted, and it still sucked?
the thing with the bikers at Ozzfest was weird. they basically rushed to the front and did the same thing Klingons do to dishonor a family. arms-crossed, backs turned. the only people they let thru the line were 15 year old girls. any Mangina that tried to get near the stage during Crazy Town got beat down. great show that year all things considered. Sabbath Reunion. that show was actually the one where Manson had a hissy fit and stormed off stage b/c a fan kept throwing things at him.
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Awesome picks, Z. A few surprises and I luff that you mentioned GWAR. One of my first encounters with you was a convo we had about them in Ecto's "What Are You Listening To?" thread back in 2006, respectively.

I have a soft spot for many of the albums you mentioned, chiefly your nods to The Smashing Pumpkins. They were the first band I truly marked out for.



& Ecto I care about your musical tastes, sir. You've become one of the ePeople I like most due to our various exchanges of musical opinion, tastes and knowledge.
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Can't wait for the last one.

~>_>~
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#01
Tool
Ænima (1996)
"My fear begins to fade recalling all of the times I have died and will die. It's all right. I don't mind."

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Professional Reviews:
All Music Guide: 4 1/2 out of 5 stars.
Alternative Press: 3 out of 5 stars.
Entertainment Weekly: (A-)

Top 3 songs on this album
1. H.
2. Stinkfist
3. Hooker With a Penis

And here we are at long last, staring at my number one album released during the ten year span this list covers; Tool's sophomore effort*, Ænima. Lucifer actually called the inclusion of this landmark album, giving him his first and final point. I forget how I came into posession of this CD, be it the actual album or a burnt copy of it, but it most certainly happened around the same time I also received the previous entry, The Smashing Pumpkin's Siamese Dream. When I was writing out this list I had more trouble deciding the pecking order of the top five than I did choosing the other fifteen CDs. Once I argued with myself for a while, I came to the conclusion that no matter how much I love the Pumpkins, Ænima is the one CD I can look back at my teenage years and say "Hey, I really loved that fucking CD and probably listened to it so much that my friends now hate it."

Indeed, this recording is my absolute favorite when it comes to listening to Tool, the intermission/ambient noise tracks be damned. Usually I skip right through shit like that when it's as robust in length as the intermission tracks on Ænima, but when sitting down to listen to this album I manage to sit through and even enjoy them. This was the one gripe my friend had with this album (when he was reviewing my list the other night), and I can assume it would probably get on a lot of people's nerves but in my mind the intermission tracks act as glue and a perfect way to almost break the CD up into acts, though that wasn't the intention of the band to the best of my knowledge. The segue tracks aside, every single song on this album is absolutely perfect; moreso than the tracks on White Pony (which was actually originally my number three spot until I switched it around with Rust in Peace) and even moreso than Siamese Dream.

The opening track, Stinkfist, was the first song from the album that received the single and music video nod in the form of the crazy stop motion claymation shit the band was known for at the time, but it didn't become popular under its rightful name, instead being renamed simply "Track 1" to avoid any correlation to fisting an asshole I suppose. Track two, Eulogy, is a ballad about the founder of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard. I wasn't even aware for a long time that a lot of the material on this album was actually written in criticism of the Church of Scientology, but once I read about Maynard going off on rants about Scientology during live shows it all clicked and made a lot more sense. Another ongoing theme of the album was the alienation and subsequent seperation of California from the USA as it sinks into the ocean, the inside of the CD case including a nifty little hologram picture that depicts this after the occurence of a major earthquake. Also worth mentioning is the mention of Bill Hicks in the liner notes of the album, labeling him "Another dead hero." This is the first album in the entirety of my list that went out of its way to give a post humorous nod to Bill Hicks, but it is the second that has been discussed in this sprawling topic, the first being Radiohead's "The Bends" brought up by Ectopants.

Anyway, where was I? Track three is the epic and beautiful song H. which is far and abound my favorite Tool track of all time. The quote for this entry was dragged from this song, and the part of the song quoted is a strong contender for my favorite section of lyrics ever penned by anyone. Forty-Six & 2, Hooker With a Penis, jimmy, Pushit, and the (almost) title-track Aenema are all fantastic fucking songs that I will never, ever tire of hearing. The final track, the thirteen minute sprawling epic Third Eye is a must listen even with the gargantuan track time it sports. Out of the fifteen tracks present on this album, six of them are intermission and/or random noise such as a lightning storm or the sounds of a baby crying. Weird shit, but it works within the scope of the CD. Yes, it has been a long time coming but I am completely content with cementing this release from Tool as my most favorite album recorded during the 1990's. As the second band to appear on my list more than once, Maynard deserves it because, regardless of what anyone else might say, he has been releasing near-immaculate recordings for the entirety of his career. Here's hoping that there is a new release from the band that can achieve the atmosphere and feelings that this little release brewed up inside of me when I heard it oh so many years ago.

Marry me Maynard. *Re-reading this I realized that this isn't really their second album, but it is their second studio album.


The following are two albums that don't appear on my list simply because they were released before 1990 or after 2000, along with a jumbled wall of text dedicated to the cutting room floor:

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1. David Bowie - The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (1972) Here you go Ecto, I told you that Ziggy was infact in the number one entry, and it is. Originally poised to swipe the number one spot on my list, it was dumped out of once I began restructuring the ranking after dropping all pre and post 99-00 records, this release from Bowie is his magnum opus in my mind. Five Years, Starman, and Lady Stardust were to be my three nods from this record and though the other eight tracks are just as good, these three represent the album perfectly in my opinion. Welcome to the fold Bowie, I mean no disrespect in giving the man who sold the world a mere nod on my list.

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2. Muse - Absolution (2003) Another band I have only become turned onto within the last year or so, meaning I don't have any real personal anecdotes to attach to this album and I don't exactly know much about the band, Muse is a fantastic modern band that would have definitely commanded a spot here not given the restraints I imposed earlier on. Though Black Holes and Revelation's Knights of Cydonia was my maiden voyage into the catalogue of Muse, their third release here is my preferred cut and I absolutely adore Hysteria, Stockholm Syndrome, and Time is Running Out and I find myself having a liking of the lead singer's voice akin to my love for many of the top picks on my list's lead vocalist. He also cited quite a few amazing albums as influences for the album, citing Pink Floyd's The Wall, King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King,and U2's Achtung Baby.


Cutting room floor:
Steve Miller Band - Fly Like an Eagle, Incubus - Make Yourself, Michael Jackson - Thriller, Tom Petty - Full Moon Fever, Jethro Tull - Aqualung, Slayer - Diabolus in Musica, Black Sabbath - Vol. 4, The Police - Outlandos d'Amour, The Mars Volta - De-Loused in the Comatorium, Coheed and Cambria - Of Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth:3, Mudvayne - L.D. 50, John Coltrane - Giant Steps, Buckethead - Monsters & Robots, Iron Maiden - Brave New World, Blues Traveler - four, Iced Earth - Something Wicked This Way Comes, The Killers - Sam's Town, Priestess - Hello Master, Type O Negative - Bloody Kisses, Big Brother and the Holding Company - Cheap Thrills, Korn - Life is Peachy, Machine Head - The Burning Red/Burn My Eyes, Dope - Felons and Revolutionaries, Marilyn Manson - Antichrist Superstar/Portrait of An American Family, Porcupine Tree - In Absentia, U2 - The Joshua Tree.
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May 11 2008, 10:45:34 PM
the thing with the bikers at Ozzfest was weird. they basically rushed to the front and did the same thing Klingons do to dishonor a family. arms-crossed, backs turned. the only people they let thru the line were 15 year old girls. any Mangina that tried to get near the stage during Crazy Town got beat down. great show that year all things considered. Sabbath Reunion. that show was actually the one where Manson had a hissy fit and stormed off stage b/c a fan kept throwing things at him.

Real men would headbutt and shatter bottles in mid-air as they were heaved towards them on stage.


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Awesome picks, Z. A few surprises and I luff that you mentioned GWAR. One of my first encounters with you was a convo we had about them in Ecto's "What Are You Listening To?" thread back in 2006, respectively.

I have a soft spot for many of the albums you mentioned, chiefly your nods to The Smashing Pumpkins. They were the first band I truly marked out for.


Thank you miss C. I was wondering if I was going to have the honor of having you stop in one night while this topic was still current to get your opinion on the list since, as Ecto said earlier, you are one of the main personalities here that has an adulation for music that rivals our own. I remember us shooting the shit about GWAR back in the day, and I love you because you love them.


Well, that's it folks. I'm so happy that I actually stuck with and finished this topic, marking one of the first topics I've started with a purpose and seen through to the end, not abandoning it because of whatever reason. Even though I have done this periodically throughout the topic, I would like to thank all of the regular visitors to the topic that stuck with it to the end, reading my repetitive little write-ups. I was struggling towards the end to try to come up with fresh shit to write and it was killing me to keep saying album over and over again, but I think my little shuffling around of two different synonyms for album worked out.

Now the torch is set to be passed to whoever might want to make their own top twenty favorite albums list, if anyone does. I would love to read over someone else's list and perhaps be turned onto albums that I have for whatever reason not heard of or ones that have been lost in time. I would actually really be interested in a top list from you lucifer, as you seemed to pull for some of my more favorite albums from the list. Of course I don't want people to feel like they have to hammer out two paragraphs for each album like I did, I just have a problem condensing what I want to say in any less than two paragraphs (hell, that goes for just about everything, not just music.)

All of the MP3s I linked to for download in this topic are still good for twenty-four or so more days, so there's still plenty of time for anyone that wants to snatch a single track up and listen to it.
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Very nice read.

If you were to make a real top 20 albums list regardless of release date, how different do you think it would be?

It seems that all but one of my predicted albums showed up in one way or another except for Reign in Blood. Spiffy.
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May 12 2008, 9:10:20 AM
& Ecto I care about your musical tastes, sir. You've become one of the ePeople I like most due to our various exchanges of musical opinion, tastes and knowledge.

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Conclusion: Zersch and I have nothing in common when it comes to music taste.

*won't join in on conversation*
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Ectopants
May 12 2008, 9:42:09 AM
Very nice read.

If you were to make a real top 20 albums list regardless of release date, how different do you think it would be?

It seems that all but one of my predicted albums showed up in one way or another except for Reign in Blood. Spiffy.

To be completley honest I don't think it would vary much from this list here. Wilburys and Bowie would definitely be on the list, especially since they were originally (Rage and Pearl Jam filled the empty spots they left), as would Thriller more than likely. The Police and Pink Floyd might receive a spot, but at the same time maybe not. It really would be hard for me to fuck with the list here even taking classic albums into consideration. I just prefer more modern shit over, say, Zeppelin or Rush. Which were two bands I was going to try to incorporate just to please people looking for classic acts before I said fuck it.
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May 12 2008, 10:37:17 AM
Conclusion: Zersch and I have nothing in common when it comes to music taste.

*won't join in on conversation*

I have a really, really hard time believing that you don't like one single band I mentioned anywhere on this list.
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May 12 2008, 2:36:51 PM
He also cited quite a few amazing albums as influences for the album, citing Pink Floyd's The Wall, King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King,and U2's Achtung Baby.


Have you really listened to In The Court of the Crimson King or were you just saying that? Amazing album right there.
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Zersch
May 12 2008, 5:44:37 PM
Omgarm
May 12 2008, 10:37:17 AM
Conclusion: Zersch and I have nothing in common when it comes to music taste.

*won't join in on conversation*

I have a really, really hard time believing that you don't like one single band I mentioned anywhere on this list.

It's not that I've heard every single song, it's just that I avoid the music.

But I might've forgotten some of the honourable mentions.
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Oh good, Muse popped up.

If New Born had been on that album it'd be the greatest one of all time.
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Ectopants
May 12 2008, 11:14:13 AM
Zersch
May 12 2008, 2:36:51 PM
He also cited quite a few amazing albums as influences for the album, citing Pink Floyd's The Wall, King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King,and U2's Achtung Baby.


Have you really listened to In The Court of the Crimson King or were you just saying that? Amazing album right there.

I was just adding that in, but I have listened to a bit of the album, 21st Century Schizoid Man and Epitaph, I believe. I haven't listened to the whole thing, though.
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