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Ch-ch-ch-changes!; NOT A DAVID BOWIE THREAD :(
Topic Started: Jul 1 2008, 04:47 PM (427 Views)
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Transcontinental Championship sounds like some sort of recognition for international airliners that provide world-class service. Lame.

Atlantic Championship. What? "Behold! I am the champion of the ATLANTIC OCEAN." Under The Sea just started playing in my head. Maybe I just have a wild imagination.

Global would have been nice had it not been for the fact that when something is global, it pertains to the whole world. Its pretty much another world title. That's just redundant.

I don't see why it can't be the Intercontinental Championship. I honestly don't think that WWE would really come and find PRW before the other massive e-feds and say, "HAY. WE HAV A TITLE JUST LIEK THAT. UR A THEEF."
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Pimpdizzle
Jul 3 2008, 11:45 PM
-Undisputed. It's ours. WE ARE THE ONLY FEDERATION WITH THE UNDISPUTED CHAMPIONSHIP OF INTERNET WRESTLING PERIOD. It stays. As is. 4 Contenders (To make sure there can be 4 ways and a number one contender afterwards.) Keep this belt numero uno.

TO QUALIFY FOR CONTENDERSHIP-
-Promo once a month.(Cannot be Cyanide attempt)
-Has held at least one of the previous singles titles (X/Euro/ N/A / Atlantic, Womens NOT TAG)
-Is put into a match two weeks previous to PPV (Livewire) to determine #1 status.(Against another canidate.)

So basically your schedule would look like this:

Week 1:Promo
Week 2:#1 Contenders Match
Week 3:Entrance/Prep
Week 4:Title Match

Capiche? The champion would be required to participate in a match at Livewire OR do 2 promos. That goes for no matter what belt you have (Cyanide and Tag exceptions)


For one, I don't see why so many contenders are necessary; the problem we've run headfirst into is that of having way too many contenders. I say three only because having two would simply be too much of a clusterfuck for the bottom guy. It's a great number.

As for the contingency plan for contendership...I think you are sorely overestimating PRW's activity there. For one, I can think of maybe one, two at best, workers on the roster who would actively fulfill that requirement, and it's been proven that our admins (do not think I am not including myself) are not the greatest at maintaining and enforcing this kind of complicated scheme. It isn't that I mean to sound exceptionally critical, but I really see this thing being in shambles within the month if we were to go about bringing it in.

Pimpdizzle
Jul 3 2008, 11:45 PM
-The whole X/Euro/N.A thing. Look, undercard have two styles of wrestling. X-division (which is more hardcore), and the PRW ATLANTIC TITLE (Euro/N.A... for those who don't get it, that's the ocean in between the two, if you want we can rename the X to the Pacific Belt but that just typecasts and what not.) 3 contenders. These belts are pretty much the same, just different styles representing the mid-card.


Two issues I raise with this. For one, I don't understand why you have such a fixation on "matching styles," so to speak. For one, mixing styles can lead to much more interesting match-ups, and as well being able to do so effectively is the mark of a good RPer; I would think that we do prefer good RPers to hold the titles, after all. However, the biggest issue I have is that, above all, we do not have enough active members to be worrying about this. Throw them in a pot, because it's better to have a stew than it is to have a bowl of beef soup, one of carrot soup, one of onion soup and one of potato soup.

Pimpdizzle
Jul 3 2008, 11:45 PM
-Alright, here's what I'm hearing. HMH and Snipe wants more prestige to the Cyanide, but IQ and others want it 24/7. I would suggest here a clusterfuck everymonth for the cyanide, but that gets boring after awhile so I AGREE with the two gentlemen in saying that MANDITORY DEFENSES OF THE CYANIDE TITLE BETWEEN THE CHAMPION AND THE PREVIOUS AT PAY PER VIEWS WOULD BE AWESOME SAUCE. (Manditory Rematch clause for PPV). No contenders.


THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. Mandatory defenses at PPVs would be bitchin' cool. However, it doesn't necessarily have to be a rematch-clause thing, but I do like where you're going with this.

Pimpdizzle
Jul 3 2008, 11:45 PM
Here's a big warp on the whole division. The cyanide really is for those of us transfering over from a promo based fed to the match making style of fed we have now. So, how about you submit a RP before the PPV to be considered for the main event match. The champion gets auto in and the contender would be the person who wrote teh best RP. Insert Gimmick/Stip here and BAM we have a winning formula.


...this probably isn't a good idea, however. The contingent of people we're attracting for the Cyanide is the "less buck, more bang" type who want at a title and want to just have fun with it. Forcing work on them scares them away. It's pretty simple.

Pimpdizzle
Jul 3 2008, 11:45 PM
-Tag Division, STAYS. IF CHALLENGERS ARE UP FOR IT, NO OTHER MATCHES MUST BE SCHEDULED FOR THAT HANDLER(S). No contenders. Challengers forefit the chance of participating in other matches. If it makes anyone feel better we can have the months only count 30 days after each challenge.


WHY DO WE ALL HAVE SUCH A BONER FOR THE TAG DIVISION I MEAN CHRIST okay next question

Overall, you have good ideas, but in practice they wouldn't work specifically in PRW. The main flaw in most everything, which I've pointed out quite constantly, is it requires too much effort, both on the RPer and on the administrator. Remember that we're working with a floundering userbase, here; we need to make things accessible so that it is much easier for all of us to latch on and start giving a damn again.
MATTHEW,May 28 2012
04:14 AM
I'm an elitist, pompous, arrogant, twat that acts like such a tough guy on message boards because I'm a giant pussy in real life.  Truth is, I'm a huge fag and the fact that I wrote a long post comes from my deep-seeded desire to to shove as many cocks into any oriface I have.

I'm an asshole and nobody likes me, so I cry myself to sleep at night because strangers on a message board don't get my depth of character, so rather than improve my attitude, I just pretend to be House and act like I don't care.

I still wet the bed and my parents love me but I ignore them so I can seem tortured soul and feign misery so people will be sympathetic when in fact I'm just a miserable douche.
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Okay, I think I'll finally weigh in.

I'm going to completely level here, here is where I think the problem lies mainly with PRW. It's the format, and I know PRW has been the way it's been since the dawn of whatever but realistically, it's a flawed format. How it ever rose to prominence in efedding I seriously and honest to God will never fathom.

Here's my problem with the present post for post for post format. Actually I have a list of problems...

1. It's too involved. During the week we all have lives, the idea of living and checking on the internet once or twice a day are far from viable for guys who are not in high school. And too often matches fall by the wayside because one participant can't get back on to see his opponents posted, read that post, work the information from that post into a post of his own, and get it up before the opponent either posts again or time just runs out.

2. It's hard to call them. I respect referees, now more so because I am one so I know the challenge that goes into making good calls. Situations that shouldn't happen happen with this system. Take Lion in the big Royal Rumble thing we did way way way back in the day, like when I first came back and got serious about PRW. I was unaware of the restrictions on posting in a battle royal format and as such I got penalized for it. And to top it all off even though my post quality I think we could agree was superior to Souljah's, because in his post he got me up on a chair and did his finisher to me the events contained in that post were really hard to refute. Pimp who made the call even sent me a message on AIM practically apologizing because "he's got ya Lion-O".

3. It's just too dependent on your opponent. I come to PRW looking to bring matches and talent that I hope awes you guys and entertains you. I hope that when you read a Lion Merteuil post or a Johnny Valentine post you do so because you appreciate and admire the workmanship. But really look at Lion's title reign, month after month after month after month of no shows, half shows, I have not had a true challenge to my belt REALLY since the October battle royal. And that's because people get on a contendership list and then just ride it out until they get to me. And that's not fun, that's not entertaining.

I could go on but this thread is about changes that might help improve PRW. I know Caje doesn't like the idea of PRW changing, I know that this suggestion will probably be met with resistance but hear it out and maybe even give it a chance. In my original efed, the XWA, we had a format that I have never ever seen since XWA. And from 2002-2006 it worked. There was activity, there was very few lulls, and people most of all were involved.

In the XWA a card with matches went up on Monday morning. Matches were requested or booked by a booking committee that we already have the foundations for. From Monday morning until Saturday night you could do anything you wanted promo wise, segments got posted, angles were pushed, but we had that entire time to write our match. With full control, you did it from the entrances to the finish and post match that entire spot was yours to do whatever you creatively wished to do. You and your opponent had the same freedom and a whole week put together whatever it is you wanted to and then before Saturday night deadline, you posted your match. Then from Saturday night to Sunday night there was 24 hours for everyone not involved in your match to read both versions and render a vote one way or another. It could be done publicly or you could PM it to a booking committee member but we usually just did it out in the open to keep it on the up and up.

At the end of the 24 hour period votes were tallied and the match with the most votes would be the sequence of events that was added to the results and thus part of the XWA history. And angles and things could be made and spun off that version of events only. This system endured as long as it did because...

1. It gives us all more time. If all I need to do is pop on Monday to see who I'm up against I can on my own time read that persons bio, plot the match, and put it together for Saturday. I can do it little pieces at a time, or just plow it out the night before the bottom line is it's totally at my convenience I can put the match together instead of having to come back day after day and see what my opponents done if anything.

2. I have full creative control in my match. I can have my opponent or myself do whatever I want to. I don't have to read post content and figure out okay, thanks to my opponents post now I have a basically broken leg, how am I gonna spin that and still get back into the match and win it? More freedom means more flow, if I have a heelish character who doesn't mind being beating up and down a ring and only wins because he cheats well he wouldn't really fair that well in PRW. Look at X vs JV the last time, one of X's posts followed JV beating the snot out of him with more JV beating the snot out of him. So it's easier that way for JV to just pounce on it and make a pin in a situation where the content of the posts suggests X should lose even though X's quality was holding with JV's.

3. There are one zillion times easier to call. Souljah knocked Lion out of the battle royal, I personally don't think that should of happened but again, refs are handcuffed by post content. Zangetsu recently won a match with Aries where Aries had the last post and it was a pin attempt. Godfather's reasoning for this was clear and justified because Z had something that edged Aries in content...but Aries has every right to be justified in being upset because under the PRW system he made the last post with the pin attempt, so logically he should win it.

I honestly would strongly urge us to consider giving this format a trial run just to see. And I even volunteer to put the first results together. It will just make PRW so much less stressful, and might even make it more fun for us. Tag matches work under this format, you just have each partner write either the first or second part of the match and post it. Again, full control.

And we could keep Cyanide as is because it's the Cyanide and it's fun.

Also on a final note I would love to see and hear more about this merit system Godfather talked about. In as well as out of character I think it's bullshit that someone can just get on a contender list and then kick back until I as the champion do all the work and bulldoze the competition to get to them. It doesn't work that way, contenders chase the champion, the champion does not chase contenders and call numbers.

That's pretty much it.
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Jul 4 2008, 03:08 PM
1.For one, I don't see why so many contenders are necessary; the problem we've run headfirst into is that of having way too many contenders. I say three only because having two would simply be too much of a clusterfuck for the bottom guy. It's a great number.

2.As for the contingency plan for contendership...I think you are sorely overestimating PRW's activity there. For one, I can think of maybe one, two at best, workers on the roster who would actively fulfill that requirement, and it's been proven that our admins (do not think I am not including myself) are not the greatest at maintaining and enforcing this kind of complicated scheme. It isn't that I mean to sound exceptionally critical, but I really see this thing being in shambles within the month if we were to go about bringing it in.

3.Two issues I raise with this. For one, I don't understand why you have such a fixation on "matching styles," so to speak. For one, mixing styles can lead to much more interesting match-ups, and as well being able to do so effectively is the mark of a good RPer; I would think that we do prefer good RPers to hold the titles, after all. However, the biggest issue I have is that, above all, we do not have enough active members to be worrying about this. Throw them in a pot, because it's better to have a stew than it is to have a bowl of beef soup, one of carrot soup, one of onion soup and one of potato soup.

4.WHY DO WE ALL HAVE SUCH A BONER FOR THE TAG DIVISION I MEAN CHRIST okay next question

1.Alright. 3 a piece. I thought since it was the bigger title we'd stick with the bigger list but ok.

3. This is just a personal belief Mr. Dead Man. I always thought it was a split. Those are really just unofficial splits anyways. I'm not saying that you can't compete for both. I'm just saying one leans one way and the other leans another way.

2.I understand that much. Maybe we can strive for it? lol just thought it'd be good guidelines.

4.8=================================D~


As for Lion-O, This fed's style is flawed and WAS MADE BECAUSE A BUNCH OF HIGH SCHOOL GUYS WANTED TO GET THEIR COLLECTIVE WRESTLING BONER ON. lol that's ur CP for the day. But seriously, I like the idea of potentially switching to a more Whole Match writing style rather than a Partial Match writing style. I'm not sure how the rest of you feel about this soo....

After I post this I'll be posting some PUBIC THREADS to get a general idea of how we feel about this.
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Okay, if anyone cares for my opinion, here it is:

- Keep the Undisputed Championship as is. The only thing I'd change about it is recongize the Undisputed Championship as the merging of the PRW, AWR, and AWA titles. I don't see the need of having the other 10+ championships from other federations most of us have never heard of be apart of the Undisputed title. PRW was pretty much founded from the people of AWR and AWA, so I say we leave it that way. Furthermore, dwindle down the amount of contenders from 10 to 5.

- I agree with the majority of the people when I say we merge the North American and European titles. The only issue is what we call it. I don't like the idea of Atlantic title, it does sound like you'll be the champion of the ocean and what-not. Global title is ridiculous as well, that pretty much takes away focus from the Undisputed title. I vote we call it the International Championship or Eurocontinental title of something like that.

- I don't care what HMH says about the Tag Team titles. I think that's one championship that needs to stay. Tag titles are a part of the foundation of every federation out there. I have yet to see an federation that doesn't have a Tag Team Championship of some sort. PRW's Tag Team Championship is one of the few championships here that actually have a long histroy behind it as well, and to be rid of them completely would be a huge mistake.. However, I do feel we need to limit the number of contenders. Perhaps dwindle down the list to 3 instead of 5+.

- The Cyanide title is ridiculous. Yeah, there's been some amusing moments behind the Cyanide, such as Stephen Colbert winning it (lol). But the fact of the matter is that it really requires no effort to win. The only reason its there is to give people who are too lazy to go after a real title a chance at some easy gold. Furthermore, a lot of people probably don't bother going for it anymore because they know they'll only be able to hang onto it for a couple of days (if they're lucky) before someone else decides to pull the classic "jump them backstage" manuever. Simply put, this title is redundant and repetitive and it has far outlived its usefulness in my opinion.

- Keep the X-Division title. It hasn't had the largest history compared to other belts, but the matches that have been fought over it have been classics. Not to toot my own horn, but Sebastian and I pretty much created this division from the ground-up and the matches we did have for this belt were spectacular. If anything, I say were merge the Cyanide with the X-Division and have it contested under "extreme rules" if you will during each title defense. That's pretty much what the X-Division embodies anyway. No rules, no limitations. Anything goes pretty much. Whatever you do, don't name it the X-Core title. Shame on you for even thinking that up Slade. *smack*

- Last and certainly least as far as I'm concerned is the Women's Championship. I'm pretty sure we've only had two maybe three people in PRW who have won this belt who were actually WOMEN. Unless we want to give this belt a proper classification, such as the Transexual Championship, I see no need in keeping it around. There really aren't enough contenders for it anymore anyway. Axe this piece o' shit.


Those are my two-cents concerning this ongoing issue. Take it with a grain of salt if you will, but that what I think we should do.

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Jul 4 2008, 03:08 PM
Throw them in a pot, because it's better to have a stew than it is to have a bowl of beef soup, one of carrot soup, one of onion soup and one of potato soup.

I've chimed in with my opinion already, but I've also got to add that out of all of the suggestions that have been contributed to the thread, this is definitely the most delicious plan.
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Lion's idea is cool because, I've did this prior to PRW. But at the same time, it was the reason I left those places.

I fell victim to the popularity trap. Everyone would vote for the guy that they liked more or the guy that they chatted with on aim, or yahoo, or msn...

The format is alot smoother cause its not as hectic but, I just donyt wanna fall into that trap again. I put too much in Xclusiv here dammit :unsure:
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I've got to agree with X on this one. I already know that most of you aren't the biggest fans of me; and therefore I don't see myself winning very often if PRW were to switch to a full-match style of competition.

Maybe the whole popularity thing could be avoided though, if you have to explain why you are choosing the one person to win over the other with a relevant reason on why other than "I hate this douche, so the other guy wins".
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OOC: I'll just copy and paste my rant from the other thread here incase someone doesn't read the other

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As what i would like to think as an "original" I would like to protest the change in Rping style.

PRW for me has always been the one fed that was different because it was laid back, fun and different to all the other feds out there. You didn't have to RP and the people without the ability to write full matches or write the greatest promos could join. THAT was the premise of PRW originally. I know for a fact that if PRW changed I would hardly be seen again as I know I cant wrote a full match.

PRW was unofficially coined as the fed for the weak RPer. Not that everyone was weak but that if you were it didn't matter and you could actually progress quite well. Could you imagine if that changed? Look at the RPing style now. If everyone had the chance to write full matches they would have now and, as seen in Lion Post O Dooms he can and will write to such a degree that that top belt wont leave his waist till he dies. Seriously, how many people here can write to that calibre. Taking no shots I would think only Godfather, HMH, Remix, Hutton and maybe X could and one of those is inactive and the other has problems with commitment as it is.

The fun of PRW is that you can RP and pretty much know if the match will continue or not and the ability to see spots discussed with the other person come to life in their post written even better then you had hoped. With the new full match proposal that would be gone and so would alot of the seif-committed people that PRW has of late. Myself being partly guilty of that.

So I say it should stay and that if you feel you want to write more then actually WRITE MORE then just 4 paragraphs and post like Lion or HMH. If you feel that its too much then stay as you are and progress at your own pace.


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No you fucking didn't.
Honestly, that poll needs to be shut down for now.
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