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Happy Go-lucky to Hardcore Skeptic; My spiritual journey so far
Topic Started: Aug 25 2006, 01:48 AM (926 Views)
SkepticOfBible
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I been around on various internet forums such as ex-christian.net and this one, but I never told others to who I was. I finally managed to write my testimony

As far as me, how I got into the theology debate. Well, to cut a long story short, before I came to the place where I am working now, I was a happy go lucky person, who was a borderline hindu, but believed "all path lead to one place" - God, ie all religion are the same. Science to me was complimentary to God. Everybody knows from right to wrong. After all it's common sense.

But then I over in this wonderful part of New Zealand, I meet a bunch of people called the Fundamentalist evangelical christians. I work for the biggest evangelist(which I found out after I came here) of the country, and my office is right in the middle of Bible school/Camp. My work environment is quite secularised, although we tend to work on christian content quite a lot, and some of the guys discuss christianity quite loudly(young earth creationism), but in general they refrain from evangelising to me.

However other christians outside my office told me that I am going to hell because I don't believe in Jesus and that I am nothing without the belief of their God.

Evolution is actually evilution and the earth was created in 6 literal day. Pretty much I am a "sick" person, whose only cure is Jesus and "Tolerance is a Myth" (Greg Koukl). Their arguements for Christianity sounded convincing, but at the back of my mind I knew something was wrong.

I would have converted to christianity, if I had not got access to Internet. The internet showed me a lot of their claims didn't have much substance in them, thanks to Skeptical sites and Jewish Counter Missionary websites. So pretty much I can say "Internet Saved me". It certainly was a life changing experiance for me, because Christians do ask real good question about life,God, morality. the afterlife. However what I discovered is that their answers aren't quite fantastic, some of them depressing. This experiance certainly made me requestion my current belief and in fact did converted me to Skeptism. Ironically, I used to hate the word skeptics, which I mistakenly took for cynics. It is now I realise that everybody is a skeptic.

At times the bible really depressed/disgusted me, specially when I read about the killings of the babies in the Old Testament. Somehow I must reconcile my sense of decency with the worship of this kind of God. The sexual laws in the Old testaments, pretty much killed people for having sex or just losing virginity in case of accident. To me all of this made sense from a man writing the word of God from a barbaric sense, but I couldn't comprehend as to why would the creator of the universe would bother about the activities about a particular tribe and why would an all-loving god choose one person over another. So much for the verse which says "God doesn't have favourites". I guess that's one of the reason why Christians told me to read the NT, since it contains more fluffier teachings(not to mention a complete revisionist take on the Old Testament).

One of the biggest lies that Protestant put forward is that "we all believe in the same, yet differ". However as soon as look at differences amongst the various sects, they are as diverse as the culture between two countries.

Right now I am a agnostic on the borderline deist/panentheist, with following answer to some of the question I had answer to others and to myself.

Do I think there is god or not - I don't know, but I am not gonna blindly believe anything
Do I know there is a afterlife - I don't know, but I guess life is journey which I have to find out. Nobody else knows either, since nobody has come back from the dead
Do I know everything - No and never will, because knowledge is infinite
Do I believe in the god of the bible(hebrew/christian) - No, and never will. So is my opinion.
Do I still believe all religion are true and lead to one path- Not anymore for first and Don't know for the second
Do I still believe all religion are valid - Yes they are, and everybody has the right to their belief. Just be careful what you choose, because some of the beliefs are harmful

Coming from a highly multi-religious country, I understand the basic needs that religion fulfill. Most religionist just want to get on with their life, with simple answers. I don't bother them, so far as they don't bother me.

It's been 2 years now, since I got into the theological debate. I must have spent hours on this topic. More than I should have. I really want to take a break, but everyday I just seem to learn more and more, which pretty much increases my thirst for knowledge. In the past 2 years, I have learnt more about the various biblical theology and the history of the christianity, then someone who has been a fundamentalist christian for a lifetime.

One thing I am proud off, is that I managed to convince one of my collegues to not to convert to christianity. He was a freethinker like me, but was extremely attracted to christianity. However after a few talks with them, with what I knew at that time, he quickly changed his mind.

Here were some of the websites that were a great influence on this Journey

Agnostic Review of Christianity(80% of my arguements come from here, and the best counter apolgetic site on the website)
No Religion
Losing My Religion
Paul Toubin Skeptical Review of Christianity
Messianic Verses in the Tanach(Short and Excellent Rebuttals)
Messiah Truth(Comprehensive Jewish Counter Missionary Website)

Thanks Guys for reading

Skeptic
"Whoever will take the trouble to read attentively, will find in all those passages where the OT is cited, only an obvious abuse of words, and the seal of falsehood on almost every page." -- Voltaire

My challenge to all Missionaries
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Joe Holman
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Thanks Skeptic,

It's always good having you. The world's a big place. There'a a lot to see and learn. It's no wonder life leads us down different paths. Just keep going in the direction you see carved out for you (I should say, carved out by you). Unlike many skeptic sites, we are not all atheist, deist, or what have you. We don't seek to convert newcomers to one mainline way of thinking. We pride ourselves on staying individual, and yet arriving at sound, naturalistically driven conclusions, but nothing is out of bounds here. Ever since Carl Sagan spoke of the ancient Ionians, I was fascinated by them. Just like the ancient Ionains who were among the first advanced cultures to boast of freedom of expression of the individual (while many contemporary cultures were killing each other for having different beliefs), we have great fun and learn by way of sharing what interests each of us. I think we got a good thing going.

(JH)
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Steve
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Nice to find out a little about who you are Skeptic!
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NinjaBunny
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Appreciate you sharing Skeptic. :)
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Perry
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hello, Skeptic

Are you still in NZ? If so, which part?
I'm east coast, North Island. :beers:
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BDearmore
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It's great to learn more about you, Skeptic. Also great to have you here. While nobody here is likely to try to "convert" you to anything, the discussions may be helpful to you in your qwest for understanding.
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Brad89
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Well, thanks for sharing, man! Great story. :thumbsup(1):
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SkepticOfBible
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Perry
Aug 31 2006, 04:51 AM
hello, Skeptic

Are you still in NZ? If so, which part?
I'm east coast, North Island. :beers:

I live in the North Auckland region.

Cya

Skeptic
"Whoever will take the trouble to read attentively, will find in all those passages where the OT is cited, only an obvious abuse of words, and the seal of falsehood on almost every page." -- Voltaire

My challenge to all Missionaries
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Perry
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SkepticOfBible
Sep 2 2006, 03:11 PM
Perry
Aug 31 2006, 04:51 AM
Are you still in NZ? If so, which part?
I'm east coast, North Island. :beers:

I live in the North Auckland region.

Two from New Zealand. Wow! Invitation to visit
hereby extended, if you're ever down this way.
Perhaps send a PM?
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