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Cultural Declarations; Discussions
Topic Started: Jul 15 2013, 11:52:30 AM (321 Views)
Sanctaria
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CIDUS.

I'm thinking we need to make some cultural declarations i.e. establish a flag and symbol for CIDUS, as well as making the traditional IDU holidays (e.g. Democracy Day) national holidays in each nation.

These are the Sanctarian suggests from both emblem and a flag, though of course other suggestions are most definitely welcome.

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Perhaps if we also use this opportunity to establish a demonym for ourselves. What are those who live in the IDU called? Those from Europe are European, those from America, American, Asia are Asian etc. We don't have one. Are we simply Democrats? Unionists? Something to think on I think.

~Dr. K. Saunders.

((OOC: As an aside, it'd be nice if other members got involved in CIDUS and suggest their own resolutions. I know both Bears and Sciongrad are active in the WA, so I think they might have ideas on what we could legislate on))
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Myrtle Isles
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This is Myrtle Isles' suggestion for a emblem and a flag.

http://bee-trees.blogspot.com/2010/10/50-clever-and-cool-logos.html

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It's interesting that you picked purple, Sanctaria, as it's typically associated with royalty and thus evocative of a monarchy. Maybe it should follow the white-blue colour scheme of the current IDU flag instead? So a white swirly star thingy on a blue background. Or vice versa.

And that particular eagle like emblem, Myrtle Isles, is very similar to the coat of arms of the Holy Roman Empire of the middle ages (or Poland, I forget which) which weren't particularly friendly to the notions of democracy and secularism. Might be best to not roll with it.
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Sanctaria
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I picked purple because the swirly thing was green and green goes well with purple.

You seem to have a thing against monarchies, which is fine, but there are constitutional monarchies in the IDU and to suggest, however implicitly, that they're undemocratic seems to be a bit unfair. There's nothing wrong with monarchies.

Purple may be associated with royalty, but what of it? The rainbow is associated with LGBT rights, red is associated with war and blood etc. All colours have associations.
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Jul 16 2013, 03:57:50 AM
It's interesting that you picked purple, Sanctaria, as it's typically associated with royalty and thus evocative of a monarchy. Maybe it should follow the white-blue colour scheme of the current IDU flag instead? So a white swirly star thingy on a blue background. Or vice versa.

And that particular eagle like emblem, Myrtle Isles, is very similar to the coat of arms of the Holy Roman Empire of the middle ages (or Poland, I forget which) which weren't particularly friendly to the notions of democracy and secularism. Might be best to not roll with it.
Oh, my bad.
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You make a fair argument. But that colour scheme still seems a tad random.

And I apologise if I insinuated that monarchies cannot champion democratic principles, nor am I against them. They just haven't historically been poster children for the IDU's values.

But anyways, I still say blue and white.
Edited by Festive Old Folks, Jul 17 2013, 07:11:09 AM.
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The swirly thing came in green and changing it would have taken effort. Purple goes well with green, so I put the green swirly thing on the purple background.

I have no problem with blue and white, for the record, but it wasn't like the colour scheme was "random" or anything like that.
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The following are the above emblems but with a different colour scheme, as requested.

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Jul 18 2013, 12:59:37 AM
The following are the above emblems but with a different colour scheme, as requested.

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I approve! Nice work Sanctaria!




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If anyone's wondering why I chose the spirally thing, it's because all the many individual prongs eventually join together in a circle; to me, this represents the unity of many as one. I personally think that's a good symbol of the Council and the IDU.

There are other declarations we should consider including in a resolution on cultural declarations. For example regional holidays that each nation would celebrate as a public/bank holiday.

I also think we should decide on a demonym; I earlier gave the example of European, American, Asian etc. Your suggestions would be welcome, my own preference would be Unionist.
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Jul 18 2013, 04:18:01 AM
If anyone's wondering why I chose the spirally thing, it's because all the many individual prongs eventually join together in a circle; to me, this represents the unity of many as one. I personally think that's a good symbol of the Council and the IDU.

There are other declarations we should consider including in a resolution on cultural declarations. For example regional holidays that each nation would celebrate as a public/bank holiday.

I also think we should decide on a demonym; I earlier gave the example of European, American, Asian etc. Your suggestions would be welcome, my own preference would be Unionist.
I very much like the new spirally thing and the flag. I liked the purple/green color scheme as well, but the blue/white one is just as nice, plus it does match our "regional colors," so-to-speak. Regarding a denonym; I feel as if Democratic Unionist would be more suitable because it better captures both the title of the region and our ideals. It's a little bit long, but not long enough to warrant dismissal, I think.
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It is rather long, and I was much hoping we could narrow it down to a single word. However, I do know that the name of our region is considerably longer that most so I suppose holding out for a single word might be folly.

Perhaps further suggestions would be wise. I just wish to note myself that this is a discussion before a draft resolution is written up. I think working on something together in this form, especially with regards to a cultural declaration, is wise as opposed to one nation suggesting what should and shouldn't be the culture of an entire region.
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Jul 18 2013, 04:42:16 AM
It is rather long, and I was much hoping we could narrow it down to a single word. However, I do know that the name of our region is considerably longer that most so I suppose holding out for a single word might be folly.

Perhaps further suggestions would be wise. I just wish to note myself that this is a discussion before a draft resolution is written up. I think working on something together in this form, especially with regards to a cultural declaration, is wise as opposed to one nation suggesting what should and shouldn't be the culture of an entire region.
I agree, it's lengthy for a denonym, and I'm very open to other suggestions. I just feel that "Democratic Unionist" captures the culture of the region better than "Unionist," if only marginally. I would happily support either.

Regarding other regional forms of a culture, perhaps a holiday celebrating democracy would be worth considering? Or perhaps one celebrating the incredibly diverse cultures of individual IDU nations being bound together by a common union? Just food for though, I suppose.
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Sanctaria
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Perhaps "Unionite"?

There already exists, according to NSwiki anyway, Democracy Day, which celebrates our independence. It's celebrated on July 24th.

We could use this as an opportunity to introduce numerous regional holidays, of course.
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In Myrtle Isles, our citizens celebrate a day, every August 3rd, known as "Palm Day." We give thanks to God for blessing Myrtle Isles with 60 miles of wide, soft sandy beaches.

So, what I thinking is that the CIDUS could create a holiday in which they give thanks for IDU's beautiful landscape.




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