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| F3nnies | Dec 13 2008, 03:51:19 PM Post #31 |
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And you're obviously a fucking idiot, or a member of the Inquisition. |
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| Breadmaster Tubba | Dec 13 2008, 04:21:08 PM Post #32 |
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You should assume that your client or the accused is innocent to get a neutral point of view. That does not mean that the person is, in fact, innocent. Yes, it's semantics, but I always hated that expression. |
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| F3nnies | Dec 13 2008, 11:51:40 PM Post #33 |
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So you're interpreting this in the most distorted way possible, essentially being a dickhole over nothing because you think inability to prove someone has committed a crime is any different than them not doing the crime, which, obviously isn't unless you're wanting to split hairs. |
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| Waddacku | Dec 14 2008, 01:15:34 AM Post #34 |
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Uh, as far as I know the defense attorney won't be making a case for innocent unless there's actually something backing that up. What they're supposed to be going for is, well, a best case scenario. If they're deliberately, well, lying about something, that's a crime in itself, if I'm not utterly mistaken. |
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| Breadmaster Tubba | Dec 14 2008, 06:13:16 AM Post #35 |
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That would be considered perjury, I believe. |
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| Jeff | Dec 14 2008, 03:34:05 PM Post #36 |
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Yes, they are, however for higher courts (anything beyond the first civil level) it's just judges. I'm not sure if an attorney can be charged with perjury for arguing that their client is innocent. If it's not already in the law, it'll certainly never make into the law, given that lawyers would oppose it and have the power to stop it. |
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| F3nnies | Dec 14 2008, 04:29:15 PM Post #37 |
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If it were against the law to argue that the person you're defending is innocent, then the judicial system would immediately stop being just. Then within two decades we'd be lynching people because we just simply think they might have done something, without even bothering with any sort of investigation into it. |
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| Breadmaster Tubba | Dec 14 2008, 04:30:28 PM Post #38 |
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Ironically enough. Anyway, there's a difference between arguing that "The client COULD have been somewhere else, a random redneck could've come in and shot the girl instead", and blatantly denying, hiding or lying about facts. Edited by Breadmaster Tubba, Dec 14 2008, 04:32:11 PM.
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| Waddacku | Dec 14 2008, 05:15:46 PM Post #39 |
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That's what I meant. If you're saying "He didn't kill him." when you know he did kill him, that's a crime.
Edited by Waddacku, Dec 14 2008, 05:16:05 PM.
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| F3nnies | Dec 14 2008, 09:11:36 PM Post #40 |
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So you're basically saying we shouldn't even have defendants. We should just have plaintiffs to accuse the person, and have absolutely no one to provide a different spin on everything. Saying someone didn't kill someone is no different than saying they did. Unless you just want to assume everyone is always guilty, then either claim is equally worthy of being a crime, because either one could be blatantly lying. It's all about interpretation of evidence and preexisting circumstances. So what you two want is for a guy to just walk into court, and then be convicted, and for lawyers to not exist because they aren't allowed to voice their interpretation of a case. |
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| Jeff | Dec 17 2008, 10:03:13 AM Post #41 |
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The lawyers are not under oath, now that I think about it. They can say whatever they want and it's not perjury. If you try to get a lawyer to swear to tell the truth, they explode. |
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| Waddacku | Dec 17 2008, 11:01:17 AM Post #42 |
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Oh? That's interesting. Though isn't presenting false evidence illegal, anyway? Just saying "He didn't" to counter evidence he did isn't going to get you far, even if it isn't a crime. |
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| Jeff | Dec 17 2008, 08:39:07 PM Post #43 |
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Fabricating evidence is obstruction of justice, I believe. |
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| Waddacku | Dec 17 2008, 09:48:32 PM Post #44 |
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Ah, yes, that's it. |
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| F3nnies | Dec 18 2008, 07:51:42 AM Post #45 |
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And assuming that your client is innocent-- when everyone is innocent until fucking proven guilty, isn't a crime. Nor is telling the jury he didn't commit a crime. Nor is saying that he wasn't even in the country at the time of the crime; there is no evidence to back it up if it isn't true, but no one is creating false evidence, so it's fine. Because legality is entirely up to the interpretation of people, and in boring cases that aren't going to change society in any way (read: almost every court trial), those people should just be any random citizen. |
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