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i like kai in gigan and katina in gespy S. <_<

and sanger getting hit is good, because it activates his prevail skill and makes him harder to kill.
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i like kai in gigan and katina in gespy S. <_<

and sanger getting hit is good, because it activates his prevail skill and makes him harder to kill.

But it also lowers his HP and thus makes him easier to kill. <_>
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Russel and Katina want that Type 2, since Kai hogs the R-Blade all to himself until the Gespenst Mk. II S (assuming you get it, which you should).


Out of curiosity, why is Kai stuck in the R-Blade, since he's one of the ones who's going to be fighting over the empty Type 2? Unless I'm mistaken, it fits him better than it does Katina, and as far as supers go, Katina would do better in the Gan-Duro, given that she has both Accel AND Assail, not to mention the fact that it's more durable.

Still confused as to why you have her higher than Viletta, though.

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and sanger getting hit is good, because it activates his prevail skill and makes him harder to kill.


Prevail is overrated. The evade and defense boots aren't going to be enough to save Sanger from getting his ass raped.
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well in my ventures through EX hardmode maxed out dygenguar (you have the monies you mind as well use em) has no problem with living.

unless we're talking about ex hardmode no upgrade run through which sounds like fucking suicide.
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Well, he doesn't exactly get targeted a lot, I don't think, and he has Guard, so survivability isn't a lost cause with him. It's just that Prevail blows. At high HP it isn't worth crap and at low HP, you're dead if you're hit anyways.
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It's worth noting that Sanger has high levels of counter, which can help his survivability quite a bit. It's luck based, though, so I wouldn't really make it the crutch of my argument.
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Well, he doesn't exactly get targeted a lot, I don't think, and he has Guard, so survivability isn't a lost cause with him. It's just that Prevail blows. At high HP it isn't worth crap and at low HP, you're dead if you're hit anyways.

In Prevail's defense, though, it's really god damn annoying when those bosses with ??????HP have prevail 8 or 9.
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i fail to see how using drive to cleave evil instantly is not useful. EX hard mode grunts with over 10K HP? drive collosal thunder = ohko or close to it.


EX Hard grunts will also completely rape Sanger thanks to how much he sucks at dodging.

I am pretty sure he does have Strike, though. That allows him to at least get a hit in.

WHAT? He has a dodgy AND tanky mech with tons of HP, he shouldn't go down easily unless you send him in alone. Just send Rätsel in beside him for bonuses + They prefer targeting a dodger.

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Well, he doesn't exactly get targeted a lot, I don't think, and he has Guard, so survivability isn't a lost cause with him.  It's just that Prevail blows.  At high HP it isn't worth crap and at low HP, you're dead if you're hit anyways.

30 SP guard? yuck. i only used it when ratsel ran off for DGG2 when sanger was stuck in type three. even then he never really needed it (uncorrupted lulz i maxed out type 3 right when i got it and gave him a repair kit just incase).

but prevail does increase crit which powers him up, as well as evade. the defense part is only useful for bosses. He's nearly imposssible to hit with full evade DGG with low health and next to ratsel.
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30 SP guard? yuck.


Too bad tanking without it utterly fails in this game.

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but prevail does increase crit which powers him up


Meh, criticals. It's not like he actually needs them against grunts, and criticals suck against bosses.

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the defense part is only useful for bosses


It's never useful, actually. End-game bosses have sickeningly high offense, especially if they start off at high will. If Sanger is damaged enough for the defense boosts to be meaninful, he'd be dead if the attack hit, assuming it doesn't get him in one shot (Sterny says hi). Also, Sanger has Alert.

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He's nearly imposssible to hit with full evade DGG with low health and next to ratsel.


Woop-de-do. Too bad you have to get him to low health first, and even then, he's not as invulnerable as you claim. Huzzah for a large mech and a crappy evade stat, I guess.

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It's never useful, actually. End-game bosses have sickeningly high offense, especially if they start off at high will. If Sanger is damaged enough for the defense boosts to be meaninful, he'd be dead if the attack hit, assuming it doesn't get him in one shot (Sterny says hi). Also, Sanger has Alert.


you misunderstood. It's useful for THE BOSS, not for fighting the boss. its bad for you.

sanger's evade is about as good as kyosuke's. DGG has better armor and HP and sanger has better defense than kyosuke and alt. and kyosuke is in what tier? kyosuke has his advantages, energy, accuracy, spirits, i'm just saying.

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Meh, criticals. It's not like he actually needs them against grunts, and criticals suck against bosses.


i fail to see how doing more damage is bad. <_<
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you misunderstood. It's useful for THE BOSS, not for fighting the boss. its bad for you.


Fair enough.

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sanger's evade is about as good as kyosuke's.


Kyosuke has Focus, Sanger does not.

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DGG has better armor and HP and sanger has better defense than kyosuke and alt.


Too bad about it not really mattering in-game, due to either not being targetted much.

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i fail to see how doing more damage is bad.


A 25% bonus that doesn't stack with Valor isn't exactly helpful when it comes to bosses, now is it?
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oh i dunno how stuff works. and considering either not being targeted much not mattering, THEN HOW IS IT THAT SANGER IS uncorrupted lulz DED AND SUX? because thats all i get out of what you say <_______<
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oh i dunno how stuff works. and considering either not being targeted much not mattering, THEN HOW IS IT THAT SANGER IS uncorrupted lulz DED AND SUX? because thats all i get out of what you say <_______<

I'm not sure how you managed to get "OMG SANGER SUX LULZ" out of that, considering that I never said anything of the kind. But I don't mind clearing up what I meant.

1. If Sanger is with a bunch of people, then he's not going to be targetted a whole lot, assuming he gets targetted at all. Thus, his ability to tank means squat.

2. If ANYONE is wading into the middle of things by themselves, and they can't dodge worth shit, then they're dead unless they have Guard active (or are too busy trying to get themselves not killed to counterattack, which is bad, since that's where the bulk of your anti-grunt offense comes from).

3. Prevail sucks balls. The only skills that are worse are Predict and Prophecy, I think.

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