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Topic Started: Sep 6 2007, 05:45:37 PM (2,911 Views)
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Whoo, I finally just beat OG2 (With all battle masteries, and most of the secrets. Didn't get the first Shishio blade or the Stealth Bomerang, though). Which brings me back on the subject of Leona and Rai, is it even possible to beat the secret level without them? The final boss's prevail level 9 just gets fucking ridiculous without an armor breaker to keep it in check. I was only doing about 6000 damage with a Valor'D TK Slash against it at 10% hp, and 10% hp is like 70,000. o_o
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While it is possible, you shouldn't try it. I tried the first time fought him.

Obvious result : I sucked and got my units being destroyed like the germans trying to AMERICA EMPIRE PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE GO! Russia.
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Sep 8 2007, 21:56:09
Hucky III sucks unless you combine it with the boxer parts or the am gunner. I prefer the boxer myself. Even hucky trombe, it's only strong points are that it flies and it's cool looking. It can't combine to make a badass boxer or gunner, so its of no use.

Actually, you can get converted back to Mk.3 R so you can have Gunner and Boxer at the same time.

I didn't get it though.

*Mourns Kyosuke's loss of Fury*

Also, Gilliam's Stealth Wing is a secret? WTF?
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Gilliam's Stealth Wing is only for wusses who stay on easy mode. To get it in normal mode or higher, you have to actually shoot down Carla at least once before she joins you.
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GyroNinja
Sep 9 2007, 01:00:15
Whoo, I finally just beat OG2 (With all battle masteries, and most of the secrets. Didn't get the first Shishio blade or the Stealth Bomerang, though). Which brings me back on the subject of Leona and Rai, is it even possible to beat the secret level without them? The final boss's prevail level 9 just gets fucking ridiculous without an armor breaker to keep it in check. I was only doing about 6000 damage with a Valor'D TK Slash against it at 10% hp, and 10% hp is like 70,000. o_o

I beat it without em. Course I was on new game +. Combo attacks have fury like installed into them.

I never got the stealth wing, is it any good? Killing carla is hard because she retreats when she still has a lot of health
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GyroNinja
Sep 9 2007, 01:00:15
Whoo, I finally just beat OG2 (With all battle masteries, and most of the secrets. Didn't get the first Shishio blade or the Stealth Bomerang, though). Which brings me back on the subject of Leona and Rai, is it even possible to beat the secret level without them? The final boss's prevail level 9 just gets fucking ridiculous without an armor breaker to keep it in check. I was only doing about 6000 damage with a Valor'D TK Slash against it at 10% hp, and 10% hp is like 70,000. o_o

I beat it without em. Course I was on new game +. Combo attacks have fury like installed into them.

I never got the stealth wing, is it any good? Killing carla is hard because she retreats when she still has a lot of health

I don't think that Fury negates Prevail, though. If I'd saved more SP for Sanger and Elzam, though, I might have been able to do it, but without Valor, Stern Regge-whatever was shrugging off even Tornado blade. Bringing along the R-gun powered might have helped too.

As for the Stealth Boomerang, the FAQ says it's a 3-5 range weapon with 3900 base power, and no ammo/energy/will requirements, so it's pretty strong. Not sure if it's pre or post movement, though. And yeah, Carla is a pain in the ass to kill, cause it's often before you have Valor and Attacker to boost the damage you can do in a single attack.
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I don't think prevail can get negated.

Irm gets valor fairly early, but that's only one...
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*Has now played and beaten OG2, therefore bump.*

Sanger
Elzam
Kyosuke
Ryusei
Kai
Radha
Bullet/Kusuha (They're like one, anyway)


Add Rai to the list for sure, possibly Leona. If Ryusei gets to play in top tier because of SRX, then what Aya and Mai? I didn't use Radha, so I dunno about her. Are her support skills that much better than those of other support characters?
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Yes.

Rai, Aya, Mai, I guess.
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God Tier

Lamia
Elzam Ratsel
Rai
Leona
Kyosuke
Kai
Ryusei
Masaki

High Tier

Irm
Katina
Arado
Mai
Bullet/Kusuha
Excellen
Russel
Latooni
Lune
Sanger
Seolla

Middle Tier

Villeta
Aya
Gilliam
Tasuku
Ryoto
Yuuki
Kusuha
Shine
Bullet
Lefina
Eita

Low Tier

Ring
Ibis
Radha
Rio
Carla
Sean
Tetsuya
Daitetsu
Lee

Objections? And yes, I did order them.
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Kusuha and Bullet are definitely God Tier. Radha is at least high. Seolla could go down a few notches. Aya should be god for RENEW SPAM LOLOLO. Otherwise, I have no problems with it.
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Bullet is dead weight until he gets his shiny new mech, and that is until about half of the game. Kuzuha doesn't phail as much, but still isn't that good. Both Bullet and Kuzuha should be at best at the top of High Tier, because the Ryukooh/Koryuoh is awesome.

...Which makes me think about why the hell did I make separate Bullet/Kuzuha and Bullet and Kuzuha. >_>

Radha has 2 combat spirits that don't help her at all, Pray sucks, Bless is good, Attune is expensive (and quite honestly, useless) and Enable is expensive as heck. Can't see why she wouldn't be on Low Tier, what with Lefina and Shine.

I agree with Seolla going down. Twin Bird Strike doesn't make up for crappiness enough.

If only for SRX, Aya should probably be on High Tier. But too bad that it is the only thing she is good for. She just sucks combat wise, unlike Ryusei and Rai.
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Oct 25 2007, 15:32:07
God Tier

Lamia
Elzam Ratsel
Rai
Leona
Kyosuke
Kai
Ryusei
Masaki

High Tier

Irm
Katina
Arado
Mai
Bullet/Kusuha
Excellen
Russel
Latooni
Lune
Sanger
Seolla

Middle Tier

Villeta
Aya
Gilliam
Tasuku
Ryoto
Yuuki
Kusuha
Shine
Bullet
Lefina
Eita

Low Tier

Ring
Ibis
Radha
Rio
Carla
Sean
Tetsuya
Daitetsu
Lee

Objections? And yes, I did order them.

Excellen below Katina?

You, sir, are insane.

There's a whole lot of other problems with that list, but I'm too lazy to go into detail right now.

EDIT: Okay, now that I'm less lazy...

Leona needs to GTFO of God Tier. Stun Shot is overrated, considering that endgame bosses can be finished off in one turn. Other status weapons, while nice, aren't all that necessary.

Rai goes from being decent enough early game to being a glorified seishin monkey later on. He is in no way deserving of God Tier either. Ryusei has HTB Cannon, so he can stay. Lamia is only God Tier if you went and got the Vaisaga, which is only available on replays. Masaki is not God Tier, period. Kai is good where he is.

Now, High Tier. Katina does not deserve to be in High Tier ever, much less be just behind Irm. On the subject of Irm, he could stand to move down a bit. 45 SP Love is nice, as is Darkness Slash, too bad he doesn't have much outside of that. I'd probably see him as below Arado. Arado should move down below Excellen due to being vaguely crappy until a fair amount of investment in the Wurger and TBS being < RG.

Mai... could probably move up a bit but is fine otherwise. Seolla can go in Middle.

Speaking of Middle, Aya needs to move up. Being the only one with Renew = awesomeness. Her crappyness at fighting is only really relevent for two stages, anyways, and it's not as if Ryusei and Rai are faring a whole lot better in that regard once the SRX becomes available. Yuuki needs to get his ass up into High Tier. RKOless Bullet sucks and is made of fail, Shine is good where she is.

Low... Ibis makes a pretty good frontline medic, actually, and should probably be in the lower part of Middle. It's not as if EXP is hard to come by in this game, anyways. Rio needs to move up above Ryoto, and Lee needs his own tier of failure.
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Nagisa Furukawa
Oct 25 2007, 19:32:07
God Tier

Lamia
Elzam Ratsel
Rai
Leona
Kyosuke
Kai
Ryusei
Masaki

High Tier

Irm
Katina
Arado
Mai
Bullet/Kusuha
Excellen
Russel
Latooni
Lune
Sanger
Seolla

Middle Tier

Villeta
Aya
Gilliam
Tasuku
Ryoto
Yuuki
Kusuha
Shine
Bullet
Lefina
Eita

Low Tier

Ring
Ibis
Radha
Rio
Carla
Sean
Tetsuya
Daitetsu
Lee

Objections? And yes, I did order them.

since when is russel so high? higher than the sword that cleaves evil?

yuu is easily better than ryoto. he comes late, but he has nice spirits skills. Ryoto never seemd anything special

shine should be low teir, nothing good about her at all.

lamia the best? srsly?

I think excellen is fine really. she never seemed to stellar to me. rampage ghost is her high point. weiss isn't that good, no armor, decent mobility, ok hp and energy, and ok power. runs out of ammo fast on later levels before getting rein, the +2 ammo bonus is useless because oxy rifle x doesn't use ammo unlike d, and weiss needs the extra mobility to dodge more often. ramapage ghost does a whole lot more than X, and costs about half as much energy, and oxy rifle x gets raped by beam coats, which get pretty common later on.
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Doesn't Russel have an extremely cheap Rouse seishin? If not, yeah, he can move down a bit.

Shine has Cheer and Bless, so she's not totally worthless, for all that she sucks as a combat pilot.
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