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Black History Month/Black Colleges
Topic Started: May 31 2007, 08:41:13 PM (1,236 Views)
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fen blacks actually accomplished something so they get a month, whitess dont cause they shit on other races, and latino/asian dont becuase its to soon to have a month for them since they just barely started coming to the US like what 20 years ago?
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Magus
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ydah your NOT helping

Please edit that to something less OMG LETS TAKE 50STEPS BACKWARDS ON THIS ARGUMENT
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fen blacks actually accomplished something so they get a month, whitess dont cause they shit on other races, and latino/asian dont becuase its to soon to have a month for them since they just barely started coming to the US like what 20 years ago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hisp..._Heritage_Month

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Pacific..._Heritage_Month
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i misread naggys post, nevermind
lol @ people assuming people who don't get along are trolls
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I won, because he can't accept my argument as an argument, he will only see what he wants to. I recognize his argument as valid. Wrong, but valid.

First, let me address Ydahs:
Whites and Asians have, as a fact, invented more things than blacks and latinos ever have. Ancient China was extremely advanced, and in the past several hundred years(excluding everything before that for simplicity's sake) Europe and American white people have invented THOUSANDS of things. Blacks don't deserve a month because a few dozen of them created something-- that doesn't make sense, when other races have done so much more.

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Ok, now for Fers.
So now you are changing from BHM's reason for existence from "some blacks did good" to "the black race had a rough time"? Ok, funny, since I debunked one, you switched to the other, but whatever.

So what you are saying now, is that because for ONE HUNDRED AND FIVE YEARS the black race was enslaved in America and other Western cultures. So, they get a recurring month, for decades now, because for 3-4 generations a small portion of blacks was enslaved? What's that about? I don't personally see any month in other countries, celebrating the fact that European peasants lived through the Middle Ages, and feudalism. Or do I see Asian countries celebrating that their peasants lived through Empiricism.

So, a race effectively(as in, actually, or socially: read Hindu Caste System nowadays, I s'pose) enslaving the same race, I guess isn't as bad as one race enslaving a different race? Cause we don't celebrate all those other things throughout history, that people lived through that.

Thus, it can be left to two other variables I can think of: The fact whites were enslaving blacks, or the fact it was on a historically recent time period. I will address those:
Time Period theory:
So we have a month for them being enslaved, for just 105 years, because it happened in recent history. Well, Jews were put in concentration camps and killed in mass, and I think that is pretty bad, but we don't have a month for that. That only matches the "an atrocity happens to a race by another race" aspect.
So, let's look at something else: the Korean enslavement by Japan. Now, this only lasted, say, 5 years, but when it was over, 1.33 million Koreans were freed and returned. I think that is proportional, though I don't have exact numbers(can't find em). Now, Korea has one day for that. Obviously, we have no involvement in it, so we don't celebrate it at all.
But then, even those that were enslaved en masse only have a day for it. So having a day to celebrate being freed is OK, but having a month is a bit overkill, IMO.

But then, it can't really be an issue of recent times, can it? I mean, an entire month? Nah. But what we do see: one race was enslaving a different race. That, in my lack of knowledge, I can't find an equivalent to, in recent times. Probably is one though. I dunno, so I can't use that, so I'll address what I can find:

Race enslaving other race theory:
So the blacks were in fact, enslaved to the whites. Ok, that's different. But the Romans did it all the time, as had the Greeks, Persians, and most old, warring empires, as a matter of fact.. Anyway, that isn't important, cause those were different times. So then, we aren't celebrating that the blacks are freed, after their mere 105 years, but we are celebrating that they are freed from white control. Cause that was really the case, right? No one but whites had slaves, isn't that true? So now the questions arise-- why celebrate it, and why an entire month? Well, I can't see why. No other nonreligious holidays take up multiple days(that I can recall. correct me if I am wrong). so why should this one take up 28-29? Isn't that, like, extremely spiteful to white people as a race? It's like saying "tee hee hee, your ancestors lost control of my ancestors, haha you losers!" or something. It isn't really nice.

So really, there isn't a reason to celebrate it for an entire month. I mean, regardless of the reason, nothing should be celebrated for a month, or really anything longer than a day. That takes away from the point, and is wasteful(I mean that in, if people are actively celebrating, they take time away from what they should be doing). And then, why should we celebrate that any race, regardless of which, should get a month in celebration? Is that really fair to leave whites out of it, but everyone else get one, to boot?



So I ask you, why should we celebrate an entire month, for any race, when the hardships they went through are on such a small scale historically, and it has been over with for hundreds of years?
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Magus
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Im not even gonna bother reading that

You keep saying my argument is wrong but YOURS IS WRONG

YOU KEEP AVOIDING THE ONE POINT THAT ACUALLY MADE BLAK HISTORY MONTH

Blacks CHANGE THE COUNTRY FOR ANYONE WHO WASNET A WHITE MALE WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT

ANYBODY WHO ISNT A WHITE MALE SHOULD APRECIATE THAT AND THUS THERE IS A MONTH


Thats the sole reason for it and thats what you keep skipping around
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Since Kiwi is a white male that means Black History month is pointless to him. Is that what you're saying?
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Magus
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No im saying as it didnt change anything for you then you generaly wouldent care thus the 3 topics on this subject

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So then why should Kiwi be forced to celebrate it?
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Naglfar
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Who's forcing you to celebrate?
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Naglfar
Jun 9 2007, 09:51:14
Who's forcing you to celebrate?

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Magus
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Your not forced to celebrate it

as i said eailer in the topic the most you will ever have to do for BHM is a project

now do you hate black people so much that you cant a a simple project?
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See, see, this is what's happening. I debunk something, and then you change your point, I debunk something, then you change your point.

So we've had:
Blacks as a race deserve to be special
Black inventors and scientists deserve special recognition over others
And now we have:
Blacks single-handedly changed the country for all people that weren't white males, because they created the Civil Rights Movement.

Please, formulate a defense for your claim and then stick with it. And no, previously, that wasn't your main point, if at all.

Also, haha oh wow
There is no proof that Blacks created the Civil Rights Movement by themselves. Things were already in motion to further rights for all races in America. Yes, the front people were black. But that doesn't mean all the other races didn't have people working to abolish racism. Just because the general of an army won a battle doesn't mean the soldiers weren't involved.

In fact, considering more and more people were migrating each year, it would have probably just came to boil naturally soon enough. Blacks, namely MLK Jr. and Rosa Parks, probably made it come to an end a few years, or a decade earlier, yeah. But as society goes on, we naturally get more sophisticated and tolerant.

Why is it that we have to take an entire month out of the year, to celebrate blacks helping all the other races, when all the other races also did things to help all races? Why, importantly, do we not have a White History Month, at that? If anything, Whites and Asians did the most for all races.

Now why justify, if anything, an entire month, and not just a day? Or even just a week? Why should they get an entire month?


And think about it. Do you celebrate Hanukkah even though that isn't part of your religion? No? So how would you like to be REQUIRED to do something, about a holiday you have absolutely no part of, and you will hurt your grade if you don't do it? Does that seem fair to you?
And do you not celebrate it because you hate Jews? Probably not. So then, why do you think that you have to hate someone to not celebrate their holidays?
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fen your the one that keeps chaineing your point

Point is i debate crushed you 3 pages so this is over
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The Overmind
Jun 9 2007, 19:45:53
And think about it. Do you celebrate Hanukkah even though that isn't part of your religion? No? So how would you like to be REQUIRED to do something, about a holiday you have absolutely no part of, and you will hurt your grade if you don't do it? Does that seem fair to you?
And do you not celebrate it because you hate Jews? Probably not. So then, why do you think that you have to hate someone to not celebrate their holidays?

hanukkah=/= US history

Hanukkah doesnt matter becuase it isnt part of our history. But BHM is and if you know anything about schools, their main purpose is to educate. Learning about BH is like learning about Revolution or something. Besides, Hanukkah is more of a religous thing.
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