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Second Republican Presidential debate is tonight.
Topic Started: May 15 2007, 06:23:33 PM (1,135 Views)
Stone Kirby
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May 16 2007, 17:03:27
Ewww...
ron paul.. is blegh In my opinion.
I want Romney!
*prepares to be lynched by the board*

I'm curious. What makes you like Romney and dislike Paul?
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May 16 2007, 16:19:34
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May 16 2007, 17:03:27
Ewww...
ron paul.. is blegh In my opinion.
I want Romney!
*prepares to be lynched by the board*

I'm curious. What makes you like Romney and dislike Paul?

Fascists like fascist rulers for the same reason communists like communist rules.
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Abysmal_Shrimp
May 16 2007, 23:19:34
Exeggutor
May 16 2007, 17:03:27
Ewww...
ron paul.. is blegh In my opinion.
I want Romney!
*prepares to be lynched by the board*

I'm curious. What makes you like Romney and dislike Paul?

I dislike paul because i feel like he likes to go against the majority, which is good for someone in the legislature, but not as the President.
And as of Romney, He did a good job eeking out corruption out of the Massachusetts government, and for that I like him.
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Stone Kirby
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May 16 2007, 18:54:50
Abysmal_Shrimp
May 16 2007, 23:19:34
Exeggutor
May 16 2007, 17:03:27
Ewww...
ron paul.. is blegh In my opinion.
I want Romney!
*prepares to be lynched by the board*

I'm curious. What makes you like Romney and dislike Paul?

I dislike paul because i feel like he likes to go against the majority, which is good for someone in the legislature, but not as the President.

Erm. I don't have a very good opinion of what the majority of Congress has done in the past 6 years. Do you? >_>
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Abysmal_Shrimp
May 17 2007, 00:04:44
Exeggutor
May 16 2007, 18:54:50
Abysmal_Shrimp
May 16 2007, 23:19:34
Exeggutor
May 16 2007, 17:03:27
Ewww...
ron paul.. is blegh In my opinion.
I want Romney!
*prepares to be lynched by the board*

I'm curious. What makes you like Romney and dislike Paul?

I dislike paul because i feel like he likes to go against the majority, which is good for someone in the legislature, but not as the President.

Erm. I don't have a very good opinion of what the majority of Congress has done in the past 6 years. Do you? >_>

No, but I still think he'd make a better congressman than President. meh.
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Fen obviously knows little of Romney. He's actually not too bad in his political views from what I know about him. He thinks there are a lot of things people do that are wrong (abortion and such), but he does think the government should step in. It's a personal thing.
The opinions expressed in the above post are totally and completely correct. If you disagree with them, you are wrong, there's just no other way to put it.

I've seen knights in armor panic at the first hint of battle. And I've seen the lowliest, unarmed squire pull a spear from his own body, to defend a dying horse. Nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions.
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Khairos,Jul 25 2006
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rnn ftw!
CO Gage,Jul 12 2008
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rnn ftw!
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Colonel Jade Curtis
May 17 2007, 13:39:44
Fen obviously knows little of Romney. He's actually not too bad in his political views from what I know about him. He thinks there are a lot of things people do that are wrong (abortion and such), but he does think the government should step in. It's a personal thing.

I don't know much.

But now that you say he is against abortion(I stipulate he must also be against free thought, atheism, and homosexuality because of ths[they usually go hand in hand]), and wants the government to directly intervene, hell yeah he is a fascist. WOrthless fucking fascist bitch.
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May 18 2007, 08:52:15
Colonel Jade Curtis
May 17 2007, 13:39:44
Fen obviously knows little of Romney.  He's actually not too bad in his political views from what I know about him.  He thinks there are a lot of things people do that are wrong (abortion and such), but he does think the government should step in.  It's a personal thing.

I don't know much.

But now that you say he is against abortion(I stipulate he must also be against free thought, atheism, and homosexuality because of ths[they usually go hand in hand]), and wants the government to directly intervene, hell yeah he is a fascist. WOrthless fucking fascist bitch.

Judging from the context of his post, I'm pretty sure that "does" was a typo, and he meant "doesn't". Note that the "but" in the sentence doesn't make sense otherwise, and that the following, "it's a personal thing", would otherwise contradict the earlier statement.

Also, I like how you imply that anyone against abortion is obviously a facist who hates free thought. Real open minded.
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May 17 2007, 21:10:25
F3nr1L
May 18 2007, 08:52:15
Colonel Jade Curtis
May 17 2007, 13:39:44
Fen obviously knows little of Romney.  He's actually not too bad in his political views from what I know about him.  He thinks there are a lot of things people do that are wrong (abortion and such), but he does think the government should step in.  It's a personal thing.

I don't know much.

But now that you say he is against abortion(I stipulate he must also be against free thought, atheism, and homosexuality because of ths[they usually go hand in hand]), and wants the government to directly intervene, hell yeah he is a fascist. WOrthless fucking fascist bitch.

Judging from the context of his post, I'm pretty sure that "does" was a typo, and he meant "doesn't". Note that the "but" in the sentence doesn't make sense otherwise, and that the following, "it's a personal thing", would otherwise contradict the earlier statement.

Also, I like how you imply that anyone against abortion is obviously a facist who hates free thought. Real open minded.

Anyone against something that should rightfully be someone's choice, based solely off their free will, IS a fascist.
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May 18 2007, 16:32:55
GyroNinja
May 17 2007, 21:10:25
F3nr1L
May 18 2007, 08:52:15
Colonel Jade Curtis
May 17 2007, 13:39:44
Fen obviously knows little of Romney.  He's actually not too bad in his political views from what I know about him.  He thinks there are a lot of things people do that are wrong (abortion and such), but he does think the government should step in.  It's a personal thing.

I don't know much.

But now that you say he is against abortion(I stipulate he must also be against free thought, atheism, and homosexuality because of ths[they usually go hand in hand]), and wants the government to directly intervene, hell yeah he is a fascist. WOrthless fucking fascist bitch.

Judging from the context of his post, I'm pretty sure that "does" was a typo, and he meant "doesn't". Note that the "but" in the sentence doesn't make sense otherwise, and that the following, "it's a personal thing", would otherwise contradict the earlier statement.

Also, I like how you imply that anyone against abortion is obviously a facist who hates free thought. Real open minded.

Anyone against something that should rightfully be someone's choice, based solely off their free will, IS a fascist.

And who gets to decide what's rightfully someone's choice and what isn't?
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Stone Kirby
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May 18 2007, 01:32:55
GyroNinja
May 17 2007, 21:10:25
F3nr1L
May 18 2007, 08:52:15
Colonel Jade Curtis
May 17 2007, 13:39:44
Fen obviously knows little of Romney.  He's actually not too bad in his political views from what I know about him.  He thinks there are a lot of things people do that are wrong (abortion and such), but he does think the government should step in.  It's a personal thing.

I don't know much.

But now that you say he is against abortion(I stipulate he must also be against free thought, atheism, and homosexuality because of ths[they usually go hand in hand]), and wants the government to directly intervene, hell yeah he is a fascist. WOrthless fucking fascist bitch.

Judging from the context of his post, I'm pretty sure that "does" was a typo, and he meant "doesn't". Note that the "but" in the sentence doesn't make sense otherwise, and that the following, "it's a personal thing", would otherwise contradict the earlier statement.

Also, I like how you imply that anyone against abortion is obviously a facist who hates free thought. Real open minded.

Anyone against something that should rightfully be someone's choice, based solely off their free will, IS a fascist.

So 99% of people in this country, hell, in any country, are fascists? No, I don't think so. Find a better word.

Incidentally, what about the argument that a fetus is a person or is entitled to the rights of one? If so, then abortion is little different than murder. Even if the women was raped, you would essentially be killing someone because one of their parents misbehaved, although you would also save the pregnant woman a great deal of potential hardship. You could argue that classifying a fetus as a person is bad science, a misconception, or whatever - but to the people who believe that abortion is murder of the unborn, YOU are advocating death on a massive scale. The vast majority of them are not against abortion because they want to take away your freedom - they want to save what they consider to be human lives.

Personally, I am neither "for" nor "against" abortion in general.

Though I must also note the hypocrisy of so many members of the Religious Right that claim to be "pro-life," yet they advocate a foreign policy of death on a massive scale. I suppose they think it's only right to "abort" people after they leave the womb.
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Fen clearly needs to shut up and get an idea what Romney's position is. He doesn't like abortion, but doesn't think it needs to be illegal, which just so happens to be the way the majority of the nation feels.
The opinions expressed in the above post are totally and completely correct. If you disagree with them, you are wrong, there's just no other way to put it.

I've seen knights in armor panic at the first hint of battle. And I've seen the lowliest, unarmed squire pull a spear from his own body, to defend a dying horse. Nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions.
-Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves


Khairos,Jul 25 2006
19:36:54
rnn ftw!
CO Gage,Jul 12 2008
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rnn ftw!
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May 17 2007, 23:43:38
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May 18 2007, 01:32:55
GyroNinja
May 17 2007, 21:10:25
F3nr1L
May 18 2007, 08:52:15
Colonel Jade Curtis
May 17 2007, 13:39:44
Fen obviously knows little of Romney.  He's actually not too bad in his political views from what I know about him.  He thinks there are a lot of things people do that are wrong (abortion and such), but he does think the government should step in.  It's a personal thing.

I don't know much.

But now that you say he is against abortion(I stipulate he must also be against free thought, atheism, and homosexuality because of ths[they usually go hand in hand]), and wants the government to directly intervene, hell yeah he is a fascist. WOrthless fucking fascist bitch.

Judging from the context of his post, I'm pretty sure that "does" was a typo, and he meant "doesn't". Note that the "but" in the sentence doesn't make sense otherwise, and that the following, "it's a personal thing", would otherwise contradict the earlier statement.

Also, I like how you imply that anyone against abortion is obviously a facist who hates free thought. Real open minded.

Anyone against something that should rightfully be someone's choice, based solely off their free will, IS a fascist.

So 99% of people in this country, hell, in any country, are fascists? No, I don't think so. Find a better word.

Incidentally, what about the argument that a fetus is a person or is entitled to the rights of one? If so, then abortion is little different than murder. Even if the women was raped, you would essentially be killing someone because one of their parents misbehaved, although you would also save the pregnant woman a great deal of potential hardship. You could argue that classifying a fetus as a person is bad science, a misconception, or whatever - but to the people who believe that abortion is murder of the unborn, YOU are advocating death on a massive scale. The vast majority of them are not against abortion because they want to take away your freedom - they want to save what they consider to be human lives.

Personally, I am neither "for" nor "against" abortion in general.

Though I must also note the hypocrisy of so many members of the Religious Right that claim to be "pro-life," yet they advocate a foreign policy of death on a massive scale. I suppose they think it's only right to "abort" people after they leave the womb.

I absolutely hate that argument, because it IS bad science. A fetus is a fetus. There is nothing more to it. A fetus, for all intensive purposes, is identical to all other fetuses from other animals-- none of them have sentient thought, none of them are biologically independent. They might as well be fleshy rocks.

From American Heritage Dictionary: The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism.
Does a fetus have its own metabolism? No. By itself, does it grow? No. Can a fetus reproduce? Certainly not. Can a fetus independently respond to stimuli or adapt to conditions? No.

So, by definition, a fetus is not a being at all. A fetus is, until birth, purely an appendage of the mother.




Fascism's basic definition(via wikipedia):
Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and other societal interests inferior to the needs of the state, and seeks to forge a type of national unity, usually based on ethnic, religious, cultural, or racial attributes.

"that considers individual...interests inferior..."
Yeah, that's fascism. And yeah, all the people in the world who are against free though, against free choice-- they are all fascist pigs.



I don't like Romney. All I need to know is that Romney is against abortion to know that he will not move this country forward.
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But in this instance, pro-life people are NOT considering individual interests inferior - they are simply standing up for the right to live of what they see as individuals. Meanwhile, you ignored the rest of the definition.
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