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| F3nr1L | May 15 2007, 04:29:44 PM Post #106 |
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Train the police force. Make all of them fit, and able bodied-- I have seen hundreds of fat fuckers wearing the badge. Then, get them off their lazy asses and patrolling the street, instead if sitting in an air conditioned car/building, eating sammiches and doughnuts. This will mostly solve the public issue. Or maybe even better yet, provide all police with tranquilizer or rubber ammunition. That way, the criminals will know that they cannot just get shot, die, and be out of the crime in a worst case scenario. They will have to face punishment. Now, personal property, residences, things like that. Have a security system. Deadbolts should come preinstalled on every door in every house. Windows should have locks and sensors. If they hear an alarm, most criminals are going to flee. Effective law enforcement and effective personal security measures would greatly reduce all crime imaginable. It will not only more than likely be better than giving everyone a gun, but it will also make things safe-- any random person of age being REQUIRED to have a gun can be dangerous. |
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| Jeff | May 15 2007, 04:33:42 PM Post #107 |
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OOTF, you seem to be under the assumption that every crime in the USA is committed using a gun. That is, most certainly, not so. |
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| rnn2walls | May 15 2007, 07:17:02 PM Post #108 |
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Oh boy, a field day of horrible logic here.
Oh boy, let's take away firearms from our cops too! That's sure to help lower crime. Dumbest. Idea. Ever.
You also have no borders with underdeveloped countries and have no developing cities. It's a lot easier to say that when isolated by Western Europe than when your whole Southern border is developing. Anyone can get a 9mm here.
And how does one learn to shoot if they want to become a hunter?
Sure hand to hand can be more deadly than a fire arm, at a foot away, but even a lousy shot can take you out at five feet, and you have to get that close to enter hand-to-hand. Our cops are trained with hand-to-hand, but they're a hell of a lot safer when they use a gun, so they do. I can't say I blame them myself.
They stay in cars because you can drive a hell of a lot faster than you can run, even if you are Roger Bannister or El Guerrouj, which I doubt. Cars also help stop bullets, and have all sorts of fancy things like rader guns and CB radios.
Most criminals would prefer this. They commit the crime, and at worst get a few years of jail. No threat to life involved. Why not just just let them off afterward?
Security systems don't come cheap. Guns do. Personally, I think it's a bigger deterrent to know that the person on the other side of the door has a gun than an alarm. With an alarm, you have five minutes before anyone gets there with the ability to stop you. Most thieves need three. Alarms don't stop shit.
They can't stop a crime if they aren't on site. Think about it, when people go to rob banks, they know it's risky as hell because somewhere in the bank, there's most likely an armed guard. If they didn't think there would be, they would be more likely to do it. The same thing works for houses and private property too. |
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The opinions expressed in the above post are totally and completely correct. If you disagree with them, you are wrong, there's just no other way to put it. I've seen knights in armor panic at the first hint of battle. And I've seen the lowliest, unarmed squire pull a spear from his own body, to defend a dying horse. Nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions. -Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves
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| Lord Jim | May 15 2007, 07:31:15 PM Post #109 |
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While I can't prohibit any guy getting a gun if he makes him feel safer, I will never accept that people SHOULD carry guns for better protection against whatever. |
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| F3nr1L | May 15 2007, 08:04:36 PM Post #110 |
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I meant that they shouldn't be arbitrarily sitting somewhere, that they should constantly be on patrol. I can understand why it was misunderstood though, I was pretty vague.
Well there are three possible outcomes of someone breaking the law: they get away, they die, or the go under arrest. I imagine they don't intend the outcome to be the latter two. So let's look at the first: Policemen are trained to not shoot at someone unless they are a direct threat to their(or someone else's) life. Now, if cops had rubber bullets, they could shoot the piss out of that guy until he was on the ground, unable to feel his body through all the pain. They should carry a clip of lethal ammunition, but by default have rubber bullets. Looking at the others: Death? If they killed someone, then they don't have to pay for it. Which murder goes for a LONG time in prison. Lesser crimes? They either hold a rather long sentence as well(albeit possibly in a jail instead) or are minor enough that them being dead is highly unlikely to happen. So if they can't successfully flee, then they should be taken in and have to spend multiple years of their life imprisoned because of it. Death would be the easy, unjust way out.
Actually, unless you want hidden laser beams that shoot people(I don't think that exists), they do. And if you rent a house, the owner will more than likely reduce your payments because you just shot up their house value several thousand dollars. If you own the house, your insurance will probably decrease, along with the fact you just added several thousand dollars if you ever want to sell.
Like I said. Less idling, more patrolling. Need more patrols that go around valuable things like banks, jewelry stores, etc. Double the police force-- hell, even get some of those National Guard people to patrol the outskirts(since they normally do a whole lot of: going to the store, playing cards). How about having cops regularly patrol neighborhoods, too? |
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| GyroNinja | May 15 2007, 08:07:42 PM Post #111 |
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I think you and me have very different definitions of what qualifies as "paying for it". o_O |
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| F3nr1L | May 15 2007, 08:12:29 PM Post #112 |
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You can't punish them. You can't make them constantly live through the agony of what they did. They just go BANG and kill someone and then BANG and they don't have to feel what they just did. |
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| GyroNinja | May 15 2007, 08:19:42 PM Post #113 |
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Right, but by that logic, the murder victim doesn't have to live through the agony of what happened to them either, so why is such punishment even necessary? .-.; |
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| F3nr1L | May 15 2007, 10:35:51 PM Post #114 |
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because the victim didn't kill someone(or maybe they did, but that is a TOTALLY different matter). It should be punishable to kill another human being, someone who should be completely equal to you. There is no reason to punish the victim of a crime, because they weren't the ones doing something lawfully wrong. That would just be stupid. I am just saying that capital punishment-- even say, killing someone who just killed someone-- really doesn't do enough. Why give them a one time pain(or maybe none at all), for doing one of the worst things possible, that is, keeping someone completely innocent from living their lives? It should be long, drawn out, and painful. They should have to live their full life, facing all hardships that come to them, giving into their remorse. THAT is much more worthwhile than simply going BANG you are dead. |
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| Moon | May 18 2007, 09:12:35 AM Post #115 |
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excuse me princess
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I am happy that there are no citizens with guns in mah country. Except for those guys who make them to hunt animals and get caught and appear on the news. |
I wish I were what I was when I was trying to become what I am now.
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| Breadmaster Tubba | May 18 2007, 10:01:12 AM Post #116 |
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Srsly, it's a lot easier to pull a trigger than to stab someone with a knife. FACT |
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| The Inedible Bulk | May 18 2007, 01:56:15 PM Post #117 |
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*clips toenails*
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thats not ehat im saying - im saying if the police where trained like they were over here with physical instead of weasponary force, your crime rate would be a lot lower than it is. |
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| The Inedible Bulk | May 18 2007, 01:59:45 PM Post #118 |
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this guy gets it - if the rigfht to bear arms was never placed on your amendmants, you wouldent have your current crime probelm -as for illeghal and unregisted fireamrs - thats allways gonna be a problem, hell, even here theres citizens with illegal firearms. you cant stampt it out completely, but if there wa a crackdown, your rate would fall drastically. |
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| GyroNinja | May 18 2007, 02:03:22 PM Post #119 |
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That's great. I'll keep that in mind if someone invents a time machine. Also, as someone else has pointed out, crackdown on illegal firearms here is almost impossible; We're not an island country. Even if we drastically reduced the number of illegal guns here, criminals would probably have little trouble smuggling them from Latin America or someting. <_> |
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| Lord Jim | May 18 2007, 02:05:11 PM Post #120 |
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Yesm we will go back a century and inform them of the blights of the world. "BEWARE...RAP MUSIC...AND SILLy POP TUNES" |
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