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Gun-grabbers suck.
Topic Started: May 13 2007, 09:17:31 AM (2,333 Views)
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Well any religion, even haruhism, would prove disastrous and end up completely destroying this theoretical civilization.
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Well, screw that then.
I want Haruhi.
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F3nr1L
May 14 2007, 12:30:28
GyroNinja
May 13 2007, 20:43:31
F3nr1L
May 14 2007, 13:23:30
Direct* Democracy sucks a bit less.
Representative democracy is flawed in the fact that a small group of people get to decide for the entire population, even when most of the population could disagree.

Which would be wonderful if it weren't one of the most impractical forms of goverment ever. You can't organize a national election in a nation of 300,000,000 people every single time you want to pass a new bill or modify an existing law (and if there are no leaders, it raises the question of who gets to suggest new bills, who organizes the elections, who enforces the laws, who collects taxes, etc, etc). It'd be a logistical nightmare. <_>

Which would sadly, require a civilization to start from scratch, so that from the beginning it could be decided and set in stone that is how it would work.
I can immediately see a small constitution arising making any laws based on race, creed, gender, or other such things banned. And it would also set the page for how new bills would be created to vote on. Due to the ever rising population, you would have to get 1/9th of the population to agree upon it, to make it a bill.

Yes, that would make the times of a fairly low population...chaotic. But, it is certainly better than having amendments to it-- if the people could vote on amendments to it, then it wouldn't stop at that. They would want to eliminate it entirely, so that they can be xenophobic.

It is by default flawed now, but it COULD work if set up in a civilization from the beginning, and it could work well.

a 1/9th of three hundred million people agreeing on something? ARE. YOU. OUT. OF. YOUR. FUCKING. MIND?
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My city had crime problems. We passed a law saying everyone had to own a gun. The crime rate dropped 75%. It's still there, and this was 30 years ago. Having guns stops crime. You can't logically argue with proven results.

In case you people still haven't figured out why we have a high crime rate, it's because we're still in some ways a developing country. A full 1/3 of the nation is still wilderness. Last time I checked, when Europe was like that, your crime rates were pretty bad too. We can't help it you got here late.

Oh, and I personally own 2 guns, last time I checked, I haven't killed anyone, nor do I plan to.
The opinions expressed in the above post are totally and completely correct. If you disagree with them, you are wrong, there's just no other way to put it.

I've seen knights in armor panic at the first hint of battle. And I've seen the lowliest, unarmed squire pull a spear from his own body, to defend a dying horse. Nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions.
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Khairos,Jul 25 2006
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rnn ftw!
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rnn ftw!
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...And rnn comes along to foil an almost perfect topic hijacking. Yay!
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roarshock
May 14 2007, 17:55:48
F3nr1L
May 14 2007, 12:30:28
GyroNinja
May 13 2007, 20:43:31
F3nr1L
May 14 2007, 13:23:30
Direct* Democracy sucks a bit less.
Representative democracy is flawed in the fact that a small group of people get to decide for the entire population, even when most of the population could disagree.

Which would be wonderful if it weren't one of the most impractical forms of goverment ever. You can't organize a national election in a nation of 300,000,000 people every single time you want to pass a new bill or modify an existing law (and if there are no leaders, it raises the question of who gets to suggest new bills, who organizes the elections, who enforces the laws, who collects taxes, etc, etc). It'd be a logistical nightmare. <_>

Which would sadly, require a civilization to start from scratch, so that from the beginning it could be decided and set in stone that is how it would work.
I can immediately see a small constitution arising making any laws based on race, creed, gender, or other such things banned. And it would also set the page for how new bills would be created to vote on. Due to the ever rising population, you would have to get 1/9th of the population to agree upon it, to make it a bill.

Yes, that would make the times of a fairly low population...chaotic. But, it is certainly better than having amendments to it-- if the people could vote on amendments to it, then it wouldn't stop at that. They would want to eliminate it entirely, so that they can be xenophobic.

It is by default flawed now, but it COULD work if set up in a civilization from the beginning, and it could work well.

a 1/9th of three hundred million people agreeing on something? ARE. YOU. OUT. OF. YOUR. FUCKING. MIND?

Not remotely.

What would you prefer, any random joe being able to create any little bill he wants to, and then the entire nation have to vote on it?

And who EVER said anything about 300 million? I sure as hell didn't.


Also, rnn, that is on a single case basis. Everyone having to have a gun is both extremely fucking stupid and extremely fucking dangerous. Not only that, but I don't think it was the forcing people to own guns thing that made crime go down. You live in the south-- 95% of people have guns anyway. Hicks love boomsticks.
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F3nr1L
May 14 2007, 21:17:49
Also, rnn, that is on a single case basis. Everyone having to have a gun is both extremely fucking stupid and extremely fucking dangerous. Not only that, but I don't think it was the forcing people to own guns thing that made crime go down. You live in the south-- 95% of people have guns anyway. Hicks love boomsticks.

Once again, Fen proves his ignorance. Actually, at the time, less than half the households in the city owned one. And if it's so dangerous for everyone to own one, why did the place get safer. In the past 5 years, we've had two shootings that I can remember. One was a guy going to the store, saw two friends about to be shot for not having cash on them, so he shot the robber. The guy bought his gun when he moved here because he had to have one. The other was a similar incident. In the past 5 years, at least 5 innocent people have been saved by a gun law.

Like I said, you can't argue with facts.
The opinions expressed in the above post are totally and completely correct. If you disagree with them, you are wrong, there's just no other way to put it.

I've seen knights in armor panic at the first hint of battle. And I've seen the lowliest, unarmed squire pull a spear from his own body, to defend a dying horse. Nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions.
-Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves


Khairos,Jul 25 2006
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rnn ftw!
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rnn ftw!
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Colonel Jade Curtis
May 14 2007, 19:24:15
F3nr1L
May 14 2007, 21:17:49
Also, rnn, that is on a single case basis. Everyone having to have a gun is both extremely fucking stupid and extremely fucking dangerous. Not only that, but I don't think it was the forcing people to own guns thing that made crime go down. You live in the south-- 95% of people have guns anyway. Hicks love boomsticks.

Once again, Fen proves his ignorance. Actually, at the time, less than half the households in the city owned one. And if it's so dangerous for everyone to own one, why did the place get safer. In the past 5 years, we've had two shootings that I can remember. One was a guy going to the store, saw two friends about to be shot for not having cash on them, so he shot the robber. The guy bought his gun when he moved here because he had to have one. The other was a similar incident. In the past 5 years, at least 5 innocent people have been saved by a gun law.

Like I said, you can't argue with facts.

I can't resist saying how much the south sucks(and it does) when given the opportunity. You know that.

That is just one incident.
Everyone having a gun doesn't mean they will ever have the opportunity to draw it(if I were holding a place up, and was seeing someone reach for a gun, I would shoot them...duh.), but it doesn't mean they will have any accuracy.
And so everyone has guns and crime goes down. Oh no. If you take away ALL the guns, crime would go down just as much if not more I would wager and-- get this-- it would be safer(due to the fact that psychotics not only aren't required to own guns, but can't).
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May 14 2007, 21:29:34
That is just one incident.
Everyone having a gun doesn't mean they will ever have the opportunity to draw it(if I were holding a place up, and was seeing someone reach for a gun, I would shoot them...duh.), but it doesn't mean they will have any accuracy.
And so everyone has guns and crime goes down. Oh no. If you take away ALL the guns, crime would go down just as much if not more I would wager and-- get this-- it would be safer(due to the fact that psychotics not only aren't required to own guns, but can't).

Obviously, exceptions are made to the under certain conditions. We don't require bipolar people to have guns. You obviously have no idea how easy it is to get an illegal weapon, do you? As has been said before, you outlaw guns, and only the criminals have them, leaving the innocents as free game.
The opinions expressed in the above post are totally and completely correct. If you disagree with them, you are wrong, there's just no other way to put it.

I've seen knights in armor panic at the first hint of battle. And I've seen the lowliest, unarmed squire pull a spear from his own body, to defend a dying horse. Nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions.
-Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves


Khairos,Jul 25 2006
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rnn ftw!
CO Gage,Jul 12 2008
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rnn ftw!
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Outlawing guns wouldn't work, I agree with that. However, I think some means of controlling - and more importantly, knowing - where the guns go better is what I'd be for.
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Colonel Jade Curtis
May 14 2007, 19:38:01
F3nr1L
May 14 2007, 21:29:34
That is just one incident.
Everyone having a gun doesn't mean they will ever have the opportunity to draw it(if I were holding a place up, and was seeing someone reach for a gun, I would shoot them...duh.), but it doesn't mean they will have any accuracy.
And so everyone has guns and crime goes down. Oh no. If you take away ALL the guns, crime would go down just as much if not more I would wager and-- get this-- it would be safer(due to the fact that psychotics not only aren't required to own guns, but can't).

Obviously, exceptions are made to the under certain conditions. We don't require bipolar people to have guns. You obviously have no idea how easy it is to get an illegal weapon, do you? As has been said before, you outlaw guns, and only the criminals have them, leaving the innocents as free game.

Alarm systems + effective police = win.
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F3nr1L
May 14 2007, 23:52:09
Colonel Jade Curtis
May 14 2007, 19:38:01
F3nr1L
May 14 2007, 21:29:34
That is just one incident.
Everyone having a gun doesn't mean they will ever have the opportunity to draw it(if I were holding a place up, and was seeing someone reach for a gun, I would shoot them...duh.), but it doesn't mean they will have any accuracy.
And so everyone has guns and crime goes down. Oh no. If you take away ALL the guns, crime would go down just as much if not more I would wager and-- get this-- it would be safer(due to the fact that psychotics not only aren't required to own guns, but can't).

Obviously, exceptions are made to the under certain conditions. We don't require bipolar people to have guns. You obviously have no idea how easy it is to get an illegal weapon, do you? As has been said before, you outlaw guns, and only the criminals have them, leaving the innocents as free game.

Alarm systems + effective police = win.

Tell that to the 5 people saved in my city alone because of others having guns. The people I'm talking about weren't cops, and were outside. Last time I checked, the outdoors doesn't have an alarm system, though if it does, please point me in the correct direction. This could always be useful info.

And for the record, police don't just magically appear every time an alarm sounds. It takes time for them to show up, during which the killer shoots everyone in sight and runs, killing more people. And don't trust the police to be able to stop everything either. About a year and a half ago, Atlanta had something like 4 people killed, in a courthouse shooting.
The opinions expressed in the above post are totally and completely correct. If you disagree with them, you are wrong, there's just no other way to put it.

I've seen knights in armor panic at the first hint of battle. And I've seen the lowliest, unarmed squire pull a spear from his own body, to defend a dying horse. Nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions.
-Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves


Khairos,Jul 25 2006
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rnn ftw!
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rnn ftw!
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May 13 2007, 15:29:27
Gun-grabbers are people who want to violate the Second Amendment by enacting stricter gun control laws, basically.

a few points

here in the UK 9/10 firearms are ILLEGAL - most legal firearms are only for use by the military, very VERY high ranking police and ex of either and registerd hunters. heres a few hard facts from that

WE have a HUGE difference in the crime rate here from you guys due to lack of acsess to firearms. hell, standard police dont even use them - thats why theyre so effective.

STANDARD civillians do NOT have acsess to firearms uinless they are A) military B) high ranked police or C) registerd hunters (the test take years - most peeps dont bother)


so if america had EVERY LAST FIREARM destroyed and its police (minus high ranked) trained in hand to hand combat and given batons etc etc instead of pistols, the crime rate would drop. why? FEAR. most "gansta`s" have very little phsyical knowlege of fights and little training. when trained, hand to hand id twice as deadly as a firearm.



point proven, hopefully my point will be taken.
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May 16 2007, 06:33:26
so if america had EVERY LAST FIREARM destroyed and its police (minus high ranked) trained in hand to hand combat and given batons etc etc instead of pistols, the crime rate would drop. why? FEAR. most "gansta`s" have very little phsyical knowlege of fights and little training. when trained, hand to hand id twice as deadly as a firearm.

Brilliant.

Now how the fuck do you expect us to be able to destroy every last handgun, including those that are illegal and unregistered?
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You can't.
The whole point was, not to be such an abundance in the first place.
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