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Topic Started: May 12 2007, 11:03:07 PM (429 Views)
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...I don't see how the link is related to the topic title.
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May 12 2007, 21:07:41
...I don't see how the link is related to the topic title.

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We shouldn't feel anything.
We evolved into successful societies, they didn't. There is nothing wrong with that.
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May 12 2007, 23:48:08
We shouldn't feel anything.
We evolved into successful societies, they didn't. There is nothing wrong with that.

A society that only succeeds by feeding off of others is no success at all. The only constant in the global society is that we're all humans, and so by demoralizing others we demoralize ourselves because we destroy what links us to the rest of the world, and that's something that supersedes the Western world's material gains.

Humans taking advantage of other humans for gain is a basic instinct. It is quite possibly the building block of society.

How are we destroying the links to the rest of the world?
In fact, how are we even harming the world economy?
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May 13 2007, 14:32:36
I was worried this would happen...

Disaster Porn isn't literally porn, it's essentially taking something tragic and exploiting it, or sensationalizing something like Hurricane Katrina without actually doing anything to fix the problem.  Many reporters after Katrina didn't really do anything but got ratings by making people feel guilt from the comfort of their own homes.  The article I linked is about Disaster Porn in Africa, and how people exploit their problems while not doing any real good. 

We throw money at the problem to ease our guilt, guilt the western world really should feel, and we don't actually do anything.  While giving aid to Africans sounds morally acceptable, it's not if all you're doing is making the Africans appear subservient to the ones giving aid by not helping them in the long run by giving the tools needed to let them take responsibility, and instead it's exploiting a tragic event.

Admit it, you just put the word "porn" in the topic title to gaurantee that we'd all click on it.

It worked on me. ;>____>
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...Your point is? Starving in Africa is caused by the constant warfare and corruption going on in many countries there, primarily, and the older techniques their farmers/workers/businesses use. The only thing the West actively does to hurt their economy is give subsidies to its own farmers/companies. The countries that have managed to quell such violence, such as South Africa, are doing a lot better than the other countries (of course, there's still a long way to go for them).

If you just want to talk about how fashionable it is for celebrities to give away money, or how often the media covers disasters and parades victims around for ratings without doing anything... so what? Is this somehow a great detriment to society? Sure, it's a bit callous, but there are far, far worse things going on.
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May 13 2007, 09:01:06
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May 13 2007, 00:25:43
$higgle$
May 12 2007, 21:54:34
F3nr1L
May 12 2007, 23:48:08
We shouldn't feel anything.
We evolved into successful societies, they didn't. There is nothing wrong with that.

A society that only succeeds by feeding off of others is no success at all. The only constant in the global society is that we're all humans, and so by demoralizing others we demoralize ourselves because we destroy what links us to the rest of the world, and that's something that supersedes the Western world's material gains.

Humans taking advantage of other humans for gain is a basic instinct. It is quite possibly the building block of society.

How are we destroying the links to the rest of the world?
In fact, how are we even harming the world economy?

You obviously don't understand, that's clear by talking about harming the economy. The western economy is part of our materialistic money based world, if we help that part of our world by harming other humans we're dehumanizing ourselves because the one thing that links all humans together is the fact that we're all humans. From a global perspective, humans are failures because we've taken the easy way out by destroying segments of the human race to build up other segments.

The fact that taking advantage of one another is a building block of society is the problem. With all of our collective knowledge and wisdom in the world, it's clear that it was a choice to create a society in which people take advantage of each other, it's the easier solution, we chose not to create a world in which people are considered and treated equal.

Disaster Porn is a real term by the way, but I did predict people would click on the link hoping for decapitated lesbians or some shit.

Most of Africa is involved in constant civil war. What can we do to help that? Unless we somehow have a bunch of people magically learn their language, and reason with them, they won't stop until the other side is destroyed. We could kill one side of every war...but the genocide is far worse then leaving them be.

Profiting off of others is not because of society, society exists because of it.
Think of it this way: A wolf could, in fact, manage on his own. Exiled ones do until they die of old age. However, it is much more beneficial to the wolf(this all being instinctual) to group up with other wolves. Together, he can eat and breed more, and be in a safe area. While it can survive alone, it stays with others to make its life easier.
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May 13 2007, 04:07:41
...I don't see how the link is related to the topic title.

hes right - you misled us and our perverted minds!

$higgle$, you are now known as the misleader of GHEB!
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You are basing this off of morals that are your own, personal morals, and not held by the majority much less the whole.
Warring African tribes have always, and will be for quite some time, Warring African Tribes. Changing that would be impacting an entire culture's future. That would be just as morally wrong as your idea of not helping, but it would be more objective-- Look, but don't touch.

The whole agriculture thing I am not familiar with. I hardly you know, research this stuff because I honestly don't care. However, I will agree they shouldn't exist. You know, the whole "Look but don't touch" view of inferior societies and cultures.
And yes, they are inferior. They have not the education, economic, social, or organization of the modern world, thus not being on par with us.

The countries that are already on their way developing, the ones that are prepared for global trade-- those, we should help. They are ready and we can look and touch them. One example would be South Africa.


Basically, this can go on forever. I think we shouldn't interfere at all, you think we should help them. They are both ideals we will not likely budge from. Unless some other person comes here and starts something, I think we should call this moot.
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We helped fuck that place up, we continue a foreign policy that fucks them over, we ease our guilt by throwing money at the problems there without really trying to do something, and people give up because it might be hard to fix anything for real. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try.


Whoa whoa, we didn't do much to them. Slavery couldn't have been too helpful (taking away the strong, young members of a society isn't good), but that ended almost 150 years ago. The USA didn't have African colonies, and hasn't done a whole lot to fuck up Africa in general (We prefer to fuck up Middle/South America and the Middle East). Much more blame goes to European countries that colonized everywhere by Ethiopia (Britain, France, Belgium, Germany, Portugal, maybe some others). The aforementioned agricultural subsidies aren't part of foreign policy either, and our current interventionist foreign policy probably will never even reach Egypt, since the next president will probably reverse it (they'd better, anyway).
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