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Neocons and their warlike mentality can go to Hell
Topic Started: Apr 4 2007, 02:42:38 PM (909 Views)
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Apr 4 2007, 22:16:55
We know that time travel will never happen because we've never seen people from the future in our time. Well, that and the fact that time travel completely defies common sense.

Not totally. Several theories on the timestream in relation to things like the speed of light, black holes and such have hinted at the fact that said timestream isn't as fixed as we might think.

Just because it doesn't make sense for you doesn't mean it's impossible. A flying machine defied common sense, 800 years ago, and look at where we are, now.
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Time is pretty much a man-made concept though. It's fixed and cannot be manipulated at will.
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Apr 4 2007, 22:20:38
Time is pretty much a man-made concept though. It's fixed and cannot be manipulated at will.

...or it's not entirely. Proof of what you claim would be nice.
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People have compared time to other "dimensions" even though it's nothing like them. There's a huge difference between travelling 1,000 years into the past and travelling 1,000 miles across the globe.
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There IS a relation. Some scientists have observed that, seemingly, the faster something moves, the slower time goes in relation to that object. Expanding from that' there's been calculations that if you reached the speed of light, the time around you would stop.

You still don't have any proof of what you claim.
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Kind of like how on extended stays in space the austronauts or cosmonauts bodys slow down. (internally compared with the cycle on earth..)
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I really shouldn't get into these discussions since my knowledge of science is very limited...
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>_>

Anyway, that specific example of the timestream can't apply to time travel, because theoretically, it would be also impossible to go faster than the speed of light, so, at the very best, stopping time is the farther you'd go. And since, according to the same idea, the closer you are to the speed of light, the closer your mass becomes to infinite, so you'll become a black hole before going back in time. >_>

However, I recall something about green holes which also had possibilities, but I don't remember enough on that though.
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Time travel is fascinating, as is all the theories on how time works. Considering how interesting it all is, I am really glad to be above the average intellect, so I can discuss such things. As quoted from Eleanor Roosevelt, "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."

But anyway, I have to wonder. Considering the speed of light is a positive number, and time goes..uhh, forward, I have to wonder how things would work. Let's say it is possible to go faster than the speed of light. So logically, you would travel ahead of time. But that's it. You could only travel ahead. Unless you can go slower than having no speed at all, you could never go back in time.
Which then, contribute to Huff's Loop Theory. It states that all things, whether they be objects, ideas, events, or anything else, looked upon at a grand enough scale, forms a loop, touching the extremities. So, using Huff's Theory, we could say that you would have to go so far into the future that you would have to go beyond the expanse of forward time, ending up in the beginning of time. You would then have to continue going at that speed until you reached the "past", where you first left off on your trip.

I love Huff's Theory. It makes sense to me. >_>
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F3nr1L
Apr 5 2007, 00:23:50
Time travel is fascinating, as is all the theories on how time works. Considering how interesting it all is, I am really glad to be above the average intellect, so I can discuss such things. As quoted from Eleanor Roosevelt, "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people."

But anyway, I have to wonder. Considering the speed of light is a positive number, and time goes..uhh, forward, I have to wonder how things would work. Let's say it is possible to go faster than the speed of light. So logically, you would travel ahead of time. But that's it. You could only travel ahead. Unless you can go slower than having no speed at all, you could never go back in time.
Which then, contribute to Huff's Loop Theory. It states that all things, whether they be objects, ideas, events, or anything else, looked upon at a grand enough scale, forms a loop, touching the extremities. So, using Huff's Theory, we could say that you would have to go so far into the future that you would have to go beyond the expanse of forward time, ending up in the beginning of time. You would then have to continue going at that speed until you reached the "past", where you first left off on your trip.

I love Huff's Theory. It makes sense to me. >_>

using your thoughts of slowing things down, we would have to slow EVERYTHING down and in order to do that we have to know where everthing is.

simply put you just broke Heisenberg uncertainty principle
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What? I was saying it is fairly impossible to actually have negative speed. No matter which direction something moves, it is always a positive number, in that direction. Thus unless you basically break numerous scientific laws, and completely rewrite reality, you cannot actually be moving at a purely negative speed in all directions.

I honestly have no idea what you mean.
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My sleep deprived brain interpereted that into you thinking you could go slow enough to go back in time thats why I brought up the HUP
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Nah.
However, theoretically with Huff's Loop Theory, you could go so far into the future that you end up in the past.
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Kiwi has yet to know of a material that won't spontaneously combust from going so fast.
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Light doesn't combust at the speed of light, so if we could make light go faster than the speed of light then it should combust. I guess we will have to become sentient shades of light before we can travel in time then.
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