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Topic Started: Mar 23 2007, 09:18:10 PM (1,380 Views)
Jeff
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What difference does that make? The UN is still powerless. Their HQ is in NYC. We contribute the highest percentage of their funding. If need be, the US can really fuck up the UN without taking any drastic measures.
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F3nr1L
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And then the United Islamic Nations can really fuck us up by demanding bans on all of our trading. It wouldn't work completely, but would stir shit up. And I'm sure all the rich Islamic countries would pull money from the "donate to groups that hate America!" fund to really fuck us over.
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Apr 7 2007, 10:53:18
And then the United Islamic Nations can really fuck us up by demanding bans on all of our trading. It wouldn't work completely, but would stir shit up. And I'm sure all the rich Islamic countries would pull money from the "donate to groups that hate America!" fund to really fuck us over.

I'm not worried. We're not North Korea. We're not Iran. We have the single largest economy in the world - no one would be foolish enough to not trade with us just because of a political vendetta some crazies are pursuing. Europe, Japan, Australia, Canada, and China would have no reason to follow that rule anyway - they don't share the loathing of the Arabian countries you fear will make this ban, and it's more profitable to trade with us than it is to not. Granted, if they all worked together, they might get something out of it, but the urge to betray the ban can only be suppressed by force. Economics, game theory, and self-interest say to betray the deal, because it is a Dominant Strategy - if no one else in UN trades with the US, then you get shitloads of extra trade. Thus, you should betray the ban if no one else does. If everyone else betrays the ban, then you should too, or you're only shooting yourself in the foot.

And in a full-scale war (which would be part of Magus's "third generation" of warfare), which would be the only way to enforce this ban, the US would utterly annihilate anyone, except for maybe China.
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F3nr1L
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The Muslim countries are allied with Russia, Cuba, and China, and most African countries represented, though.
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roarshock
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... correct me if im wrong... the only rich arab countries are THE UNITED ARAB EMERITES and Saudi Arabia and SA happens to be one of our bigger allies in the mid east.
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Jeff
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Apr 7 2007, 12:56:05
The Muslim countries are allied with Russia, Cuba, and China, and most African countries represented, though.

Cuba? So what.

China? Not really.

Africa? Only the Northern part of it. Central and Southern Africa have much weaker ties.

Russia? They still can't afford to forgo trading with the US unless the Arabian countries start giving them very cheap oil... which will never happen.

Of course, plenty of countries have reasons to hate the US... but I'm really not worried about Muslim countries somehow taking over the UN, and magically making it powerful enough to do anything important and negative.
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F3nr1L
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Well the making it powerful enough isn't likely. But they already have the majority on the human rights council. Well, technically they don't, but are allied with enough of the other council members that basically what they say, goes.
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AGAIN what the fuck does it matter, the UN is a glass empire meaning it can supervise and maybe suggest shit, but it has no real power.
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F3nr1L
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Again you fail to realize what Islam is capable of. If they control the U.N., they are going to get cocky. Pass all sorts of things. While few U.N. decisions are actually enforced, Islam could make them that way.
With just one global declaration, the Islamic authorities(whomever they may be) could demand all Muslims to enforce these rules and strike down all who refuse to obey. Which would lead to a mass genocide and rioting in any developed country, and a totalitarian state in underdeveloped ones with considerable muslim populations.
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which if you follow that theory would cause WWIII and likely wipe out half or three quarters of the population of the world with the total war concept that would be practiced.

People and countries are afraid of that (and with good reason) so thats just not gonna happen fen <_<
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Jeff
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Problem is, we have the nukes. I doubt their allies would take very kindly to anti-human rights campaigns, either. Well, China and Cuba would love it, but their most important ally, Russia, probably wouldn't. And I think the Chinese government at least likes to maintain facades of freedom.

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With just one global declaration, the Islamic authorities(whomever they may be) could demand all Muslims to enforce these rules and strike down all who refuse to obey. Which would lead to a mass genocide and rioting in any developed country, and a totalitarian state in underdeveloped ones with considerable muslim populations.


Not really. They've already tried it, and it didn't work - there was a UN Resolution to condemn Zionism as racism (not that anyone cared except the sponsors). It passed, but mainly on the fact that the UN's voting system is flawed - for example, the US's vote against it was canceled out by Madagascar's vote in favor of it. This resolution was later revoked, and with the support of Russia, numerous African countries, and the absence of China. This gives me confidence that the extremist Islamic groups don't have as many allies as you think.
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Aren't your ICBMs currently offline/disposed of?
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Squid Vicious, Apr 6 2007
04:54:26
That's just cruel. 

Not that I oppose cruel in any way, shape or form.

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F3nr1L
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I'm sure the government is being completely honest about that, if it is true. They couldn't lie. Not the US government.

Anyway, I submit Jeff, you are right.
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Jeff
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Since when have we said that we don't have armed nuclear missiles, anyway? Sure, there's been limitation talks and plans, but who knows how much of those they actually did... and even if they did (BAHAHAHAHA), we still have plenty leftover.
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