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Cannon Oct 17 2008, 01:21 PM Post #76
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I wasn't judging you, it was a question. Something along the lines of...always be ready to give a reason for the hope that lies within you.
I learned that everyone's gonna live the way they think is best and who am I to judge? I just like to ask why every now and then.

This is just a lighthearted joke but....the tongue is just an overflow of the heart..........right?
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Dr.DeLeTe Oct 17 2008, 06:24 PM Post #77
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I wasn't judging you, it was a question. Something along the lines of...always be ready to give a reason for the hope that lies within you.
I learned that everyone's gonna live the way they think is best and who am I to judge? I just like to ask why every now and then.


well, if you didn't take all the slick attacks at my personality, and your little innuendos about me basically being a hypocrite and fake. I wouldn't have taken the question rhetorical, I figured you where saying it as a matter of fact. come on, you sit there and say shit like "What a way to represent an ambassador for Christ" just what exactly do you expect? like I said previously, I've seen a lot more racist stuff then that. I didn't really think I was being anti-christ, hell I wasn't even being anti-mexican. to actually sit there and say something like that is out of line and is attacking my character at it's roots. so just what do you expect? me to sit here and agree? there is no god, sin is a facade, do what you want. I am nothing more then a fake piece of shit looking for a crutch. well no, I'm human and my words are an overflow of my brain, and half the time after my words are spoken my heart feels ashamed that I could be so hurtful. well I'm human and I will have to answer for everything in my life and most certainly not to a judgmental ass hole on the internet who has toyed with my ass to the point of vengeance. (not speaking of you in particular) I can only withstand so much bull shit, eventually my emotions will take over. maybe thats a good indication that this place is not a place for a christian. you all most likely do an excellent job of bringing the evil out of me. I am human, so it is in there. and to try to claim it is not, then you could call me a hypocrite, when you see me posting I'm perfect, you all are evil. then I'll except the title.

now.....to answer the question to the best of my ability. I could answer it with my feelings, like guilt and anger and hate. how something inside me knows when it is right and wrong, but of course that doesn't quite prove that I know jesus. so it must be the other feeling I have called love. how my heart feels the love that is shown to me, given to me and how I give that same love in return as my appreciation. I love that jesus loved me enough to die for me, or how his father gave his only son to pay for the sins that I committed and wll commit. my tongue like you said when it overflows my brain, not my heart,my heart is the one that pays for it.
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I mean this as a compliment, but your are extremely honest and open. It's like we see the raw you, uncut good or bad. I think that's what gets you in trouble on the internet. In real life I think most people would get a different impression of you.
And it's hard to know whats innuendo, sarcasm or the tone without the verbal queues like in person.
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Mamba Oct 18 2008, 12:53 AM Post #79
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,Oct 17 2008, 08:30 AM] Whatever you say lady, then again your opinion is[n't even] worth shit here. =P

I'd dodge me, too.
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Delete nowhere in ur manual... well correct me if I am wrong but I thought the christian's looked to the bible for guidance?? and well here is what is sais about anger...

But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth
--Colossians 3:8

Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
--Ephesians 4:31, 32

Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
--James 1:19, 20

Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools.
(Ecclesiastes 7:9)

Cease from anger, and forsake wrath: fret not thyself in any wise to do evil.
(Psalm 37:8)

So ya I just grabbed a few verses there are loads more but I think the point is clear.
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I'd dodge me, too.

You sound more like Jerm every day.
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first off. I said nowhere does it say I WONT get mad, nowhere does it say
I am perfect. you seem to like to misintepret it to sound like I said "my manual says I wont get mad, so screw you" obviously those are infact guidelines. because god understood 6 thousand years ago how easy it is for a non believer, with a smart ass mouth to piss a young believer off. and those verses are obviously put there to prepare the believer so he knows how to react when the world comes on him trying to prove him wrong.
you know what celeborn? you have let the worldly way take you like a storm, maybe it's because you read some of the wrong books. I don't know, I can tell you're a pretty smart guy, but you seem too bent on proving christians wrong. you seem to have this idea of christians concocted in your head that we are these robotic droids walking around telling everyone they're evil. you couldn't be more wrong, we're still human, we have just been installed with a hope and love, and sometimes the world will still get the best of us. it happens.

here I went and looked up some stuff to help my argument about anger and I'm going to just post it.
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Handling anger is an important topic. One experienced counselor stated that 50% of the people who came in for counseling had problems with dealing with their anger. Anger can shatter communication and tear apart relationships, and it ruins both the joy and health of many. And most often people tend to justify their anger instead of accepting responsibility for it. There is a type of anger that the Bible calls “righteous indignation,” but that is not to be confused with anger.

First of all, anger is not always sin. God is angry (Psalm 7:11; Mark 3:5), and believers are commanded to be angry (Ephesians 4:26). Two Greek words are used in the New Testament for our English word “anger.” One (orge) means “passion, energy;” the other (thumos) means “agitated, boiling.” Webster defines anger as “excessive emotion, passion aroused by a sense of injury or wrong;” this injury may be to us or to someone else. Biblically, anger is God-given energy intended to help us solve problems. Examples of biblical anger include Paul confronting Peter because of his wrong example in Galatians 2:11-14, David being upset over hearing Nathan the prophet sharing an injustice (2 Samuel 12), and Jesus getting angry over how some of the Jews had defiled worship at God’s temple in Jerusalem (John 2:13-18). Notice that none of these examples of anger involved self-defense, but defense of others or of a principle.

But anger turns to sin when it is selfishly motivated (James 1:20), when God’s goal is distorted (1 Corinthians 10:31), or when anger is allowed to linger (Ephesians 4:26-27). Instead of using the energy generated by anger to attack the problem at hand, it is the person who is attacked instead. Ephesians 4:15, 19 says we are to speak the truth in love and to use our words to build others up, and not to allow rotten or destructive words to pour from our lips. Unfortunately, this poisonous speech is a common characteristic of fallen man (Romans 3:13-14). Anger becomes sin when it is allowed to boil over without restraint, resulting in a scenario in which everyone around is hurt (Proverbs 29:11), leaving devastation in its wake, often with irreparable consequences. Anger also becomes sin when the angry one refuses to be pacified, holds a grudge, or keeps it all inside (Ephesians 4:26-27). This can cause depression and irritability over any little thing, often things unrelated to the underlying problem.

now...after reading that, would you say I try to justify my anger, or accept the responsibility for it?
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I mean this as a compliment, but your are extremely honest and open. It's like we see the raw you, uncut good or bad. I think that's what gets you in trouble on the internet. In real life I think most people would get a different impression of you.
And it's hard to know whats innuendo, sarcasm or the tone without the verbal queues like in person.

thanks man, I can actually appreciate that. you will be surprised just how accurate of an observation that is.
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and people wonder why I say the bible can be used to support anything no matter how twisted ur idea is. Let me break it down a little differently and see if I can get my point across. at many points in both jesus's ministry, the old testament, and Paul's Ministry (I include that because paul was the person responsible for the religion) they stress the turn the other cheek. Ask pretty much any scholar of the bible and that will be the common opinion, however let me provide a quick example lets look at 2 people on this forum.

Joven - has constantly supported christian values and in my opinion frequently lives them. I have seen him express anger very very rarely and almost immediately in every case he apologizes and returns to calm. he never posts angry rants but will express his ideas in a very peaceful manner. as a result he not only is living christian teachings but is one of the most respected members of this community.

Delete - goes on constant rants condemming everyone else. Holds what he views as righteousness up in front of people without any humility. constantly fighting everyone and making very non christian comments. as a result many would argue delete is no living christian teachings oh and did I mention delete has very little respect in this community.

there we go maybe that will make it a little more clear. :P

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yeah, you made it clear you're not going to address anything I said and instead you compare me to another human being to further your argument. so in return I'm not responding to your screwed up ideals anymore. think what you want, but you have shown me you are mixed up as hell.

but let me clear your post up, unless you know joven personally, you don't know how he lives, nor me.

and I just called my dad to ask him, and he said what those versus are is a warning to christians to not let anger lead to sin, he said it is as simple as that. it's not saying anger is a sin, it's saying anger will lead you to sin.
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Comparing two different people's philosophy on life and seeing the effects is not a bullshit argument. I didn't ignore what you said, I was trying to make my point.

Look the foundation of Christianity is the belief that god entered history in the form of jesus the christ redeemer. that the Trinity exists as one being. that the bible is the word of god and by attempting to live christ's message you will be forgiven through him and go to heaven.

Now I have no problems with anyone believing the above premise. I don't but my version of righteousness does not require me to convert anyone. However part of my definition of righteousness is an attempt to progress he human race. now I've had some education on Christianity and met a lot of Christians and I've found christianity can be both destructive towards our species progress, and constructive.

the destructive brands can be broken down into a few catagories.

1. the ones that attack scientific progress and attempt to logically justify Christianity. they do things like block medical and scientific advances that could cure diseases or advance our understanding of the universe. Since Christianity involves "Faith" if you could prove it so that you know it would eliminate the faith aspect. In my opinion this method of Christianity doesn't fit the message and is harmful.

2. The ones the are prideful and persecute others. This group of people have killed more humans then any other group in history. somehow they manage to completely defy the message of Christ whose name the invoke as justification for their actions. Although they are not always violent in nature they still are acting a negative force and I view this as both against the teachings jesus and against our species progress.

Now there is the Positive version of christianity:

This version is where they try to help people. they seek to bring comfort to others through showing them christ. they are very peaceful in their manner, and willing to lend a hand even to those who aren't christians (good samaritan story anyone?) like jesus did. They have some humulity like christ taught. These people are a force that in my opinion are the only true christians and are a group that I believe is helping mankind.

Hence when I encounter Christians of the destructive type I do not feel any need to take away their en grained belief but I don't like how it has manifested. hence I think the easiest change would be to encourage them to become constructive Christians. Assuming u go to church go ahead and ask your preacher about the 3 things above that I described. I've found that a fairly high percentage of preachers tend to be the constructive type. I understand after your responses you will be extremely unlikely to consider my interpretations of Christianity and the bible so go ask a few preachers about it and see what they say. Maybe you'll listen to them.
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,Oct 18 2008, 10:08 AM] You sound more like Jerm every day.

I'll end you for such remarks -.-
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and btw jerm was a 4channer. so he would be one of the people driving the kid to kill himself.

Partly true. I was never a "4channer"...that place is a breeding ground for fail. By the way, off the topic of this thread which has turned into retards arguing about religion 'n shit, am I the only person who found this dude offing himself humorous?

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You sound more like Jerm every day.


Jeez, quit sucking him off!
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Partly true.  I was never a "4channer"...that place is a breeding ground for fail.  By the way, off the topic of this thread which has turned into retards arguing about religion 'n shit, am I the only person who found this dude offing himself humorous?

yes you are, happy?
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yes you are, happy?

Very.
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Very.

Enjoy.
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