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Liquorman1 Feb 26 2008, 02:20 PM Post #16
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W/E Dragon. You didn't produce evidence then, nor now more than words. You three may have done alot to help this forum, sure, but everyone else was shut out that tried to do anything.
Ray left of his own accord. I saw no one holding a gun to his head to come to, or leave this forum.

Pogo, that is a good idea, but that rewards people for being in clans and not for their individual merit. Just becuase someone is in a clan, does not mean they should automatically be given admin/mod. And what about people changing clans. A recent example is Drezz. He used to be with EVX, which gave EVX 3 mods (including Killerd), He moved to Roe, which then gave ROE an admin, and then moved to EXO, which gave them and admin, then moved to EVO, which gave them an admin (now that Ray asked for his to be taken). It is an obvious advantage to someone to have an admin, as they can create a new clan section (Roe) in a matter of minutes, while someone else must wait most of the time days for someone to make them a section.

If you are going to allocate it based on clan, then do so, but the admin should not travel with the person if they decide to leave the clan...as that would strip one clan of thier admin, and leave one clan with 2.

Currently, Sex has two admins, and they are, without a doubt the least active clan. Evo only has one, and that is only becasue Drezzic joined, and with their recent influx of members, they are the most active clan.
Idk if i maed the point clear, but if an admin is awarded based on clan affiliation, then it should be stripped when they leave that clan.
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DragoN[SeX] Feb 26 2008, 02:47 PM Post #17
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Jerm, based on experience in the past. Giving admin to complete strangers just because they're clan leaders is asking for a disaster. I like our current way of doing things, even tho the rules need some tweaking. When in need of another admin, we can simply promote the best moderating candidate. Someone we know won't attempt to destroy these forums that we've had for over a year now. To me, these forums are simply irreplaceable and I will do anything in my power to prevent some punk from tampering with them.

Not to mention that it's been quite a while since we 86'd the entire "Clan gets certain amount of mods, admins" bullshit. We pick people unbiased of clan that we deem adept for the task at hand. For example, I wouldn't give Delete)Ego( mod, why? Not because he's an ego. But because he's a complete idiot. When Beany was given mod, he was in Evo. When Neo was given admin, he was in Evo. Simply put, giving people admin then revoking it when they leave their clan will always leave us looking for new admins and mods. So I'm going to say no to the proposition.
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DreZ Feb 26 2008, 02:54 PM Post #18
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,Feb 26 2008, 02:47 PM] Jerm, based on experience in the past. Giving admin to complete strangers just because they're clan leaders is asking for a disaster. I like our current way of doing things, even tho the rules need some tweaking. When in need of another admin, we can simply promote the best moderating candidate. Someone we know won't attempt to destroy these forums that we've had for over a year now. To me, these forums are simply irreplaceable and I will do anything in my power to prevent some punk from tampering with them.

Not to mention that it's been quite a while since we 86'd the entire "Clan gets certain amount of mods, admins" bullshit. We pick people unbiased of clan that we deem adept for the task at hand. For example, I wouldn't give Delete)Ego( mod, why? Not because he's an ego. But because he's a complete idiot. When Beany was given mod, he was in Evo. When Neo was given admin, he was in Evo. Simply put, giving people admin then revoking it when they leave their clan will always leave us looking for new admins and mods. So I'm going to say no to the proposition.

Go read up on my mod proposition and tell me what you think.
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Pogo Feb 26 2008, 02:55 PM Post #19
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Well, of course I didn't mean give some random member of a clan mod/admin. But surely there is a responsible member in each clan who we all can trust with such a status, and has been a member of the community for a long time, I could be wrong.

Either way, I just like having a sense of balance in the communtiy, because that is one of the things that will help keep it thriving. If every clan feels representated, then we have happier forum members, and less tension. You could try giving a mod to possible canidates for admin, and see how they handle their mod.
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Liquorman1 Feb 26 2008, 07:40 PM Post #20
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Every clan does have someone in it that could handle mod...not necesassily (spelling) the leader. Think about it.

Exo - Riddle. I doubt he would fuck with anything.
Evo - Drezz...
Evx - Broke
Sex - Dragon if you must
Ego - Neoline

As for Mods, Pogo's plan would cut me (as an Example, but also Beany) out of the picture completely, which their is little evidence for. I have used my mod (no more or less than others) and not to fuck with people's accounts, unlike others have, and Beany is the same. Plus, who would represent the Pubs :P

I do think we need to cut out a couple non-useful admins, Killerd, Tiger, and Locks being those. Their is no use having them as Admins....they are never on, nor do nothing to warrent it.
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Joven Feb 26 2008, 11:09 PM Post #21
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I think jerm's suggestion is assuming that the people will be biased based on the clan they are in. It is my hope that there wouldn't a clan bias with the people chosen for admins and mods. If we aren't biased then there is no need to have each clan "represented" because we are all looking out for each other (the example of creating a section) and we are all holding to the rules regardless of who it is. After all this goes with the thinking that this forum is a place where people come together regardless of clan affiliation. This is a place where we are all people who play evos and have things to talk about.
When admins and mods are chosen they must be told, that because of their position, they must be unbiased.
If this is the case, if there so happens to be more than one admin in a clan, it doesn't really matter.(at least it shouldnt)
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Pogo Feb 27 2008, 12:19 AM Post #22
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I think jerm's suggestion is assuming that the people will be biased based on the clan they are in. It is my hope that there wouldn't a clan bias with the people chosen for admins and mods. If we aren't biased then there is no need to have each clan "represented" because we are all looking out for each other (the example of creating a section) and we are all holding to the rules regardless of who it is. After all this goes with the thinking that this forum is a place where people come together regardless of clan affiliation. This is a place where we are all people who play evos and have things to talk about.
When admins and mods are chosen they must be told, that because of their position, they must be unbiased.
If this is the case, if there so happens to be more than one admin in a clan, it doesn't really matter.(at least it shouldnt)

You have to admit what you are arguing is an ideal, not the reality. The fact of the matter is, that clans are never going to get along, hell there are many disputes just within clans. But we can keep balance, and the best way to eliminate one clan able to play favorites more than another is to have balance. Because bias and favoritism will exist no matter who is mod/admin, we are all human and react a certain way to different people. I am just saying that clan representation is important for the survival of the community and forum.
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Liquorman1 Feb 27 2008, 07:49 AM Post #23
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Although what Joven said IS an Ideal, it is closer than you think. Think of Neoline...the guy is almost as unbaised as you can get, and everybody respects him. Joven is almost the same way. Yes, I realize I named two friends on Starcraft, but the evidence is clear...
they both have a good moral standing not only on the forums, but also the community as a whole...NO one else has that to my knowledge. I agree Broke and Drezz and Dragon have admined this forum to the best of their ability, but each has pissed some faction or another off within starcraft that objects to them being admins...

Edit: Whatever happens, there needs to be an Odd number of Admins, so their will never be a tie, and anyone that goes to make a new clan should be told immediately that no one else is getting admin, so forget about it.
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Joven Feb 27 2008, 11:29 PM Post #24
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It may be important to note that neo is inactive on the forums.
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Liquorman1 Feb 28 2008, 07:50 AM Post #25
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Inactive or lays low? Idk. Admins could tell us I think?
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Joven Feb 28 2008, 12:57 PM Post #26
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It seems we are agreed in 86ing the "It's my section and I'll do w/e i want." idea.

It also seems that there is some desire to revamp the Admins and mod list. I was going to start a new topic for it, but i figured, just staying on this one would be fine, especially since we already have some thoughts and ideas about it here.

I have some questions which i think are important to have the answers to when having this discussion.
Do we want to remove the admin/mod of those who are inactive as admins/mods? If so, who?
Do we want to add to the admin/mod list? If so, who?
Are we decided on the 5 admin, 10 mod idea, or are there other numbers we would like to suggest?
What are the criteria for choosing the admins/mods?

I realize these questions have been answered by different people, but i figured it would be good if we were to be organized and focused to come to a conclusion we can all agree upon.
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Pogo Feb 28 2008, 02:35 PM Post #27
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....Where the fuck did my post in here go?
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Joven Feb 28 2008, 03:02 PM Post #28
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Feb 26 2008, 01:32 PM
"My section, let me mod." is a stupid rule.

Also, I am awesome.

Another thing, I think that every clan should have at least one repsesentative with some board powers or status. The only clan without representation is EXO. I mean, there is bound to be at least one responsible member of EXO that could handle a mod/admin position. Just a way to keep balance in the community.

Look at it this way:

5 clans total, and this could be the set up;

EvX - 1 admin, 2 mods
EvO - 1 admin, 2 mods
EgO - 1 admin, 2 mods
SeX - 1 admin, 2 mods
EXO -1 admin, 2 mods


That would make for the idea of 5 admins and 10 mods. Just a thought.

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Well, of course I didn't mean give some random member of a clan mod/admin. But surely there is a responsible member in each clan who we all can trust with such a status, and has been a member of the community for a long time, I could be wrong.

Either way, I just like having a sense of balance in the communtiy, because that is one of the things that will help keep it thriving. If every clan feels representated, then we have happier forum members, and less tension. You could try giving a mod to possible canidates for admin, and see how they handle their mod.

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You have to admit what you are arguing is an ideal, not the reality. The fact of the matter is, that clans are never going to get along, hell there are many disputes just within clans. But we can keep balance, and the best way to eliminate one clan able to play favorites more than another is to have balance. Because bias and favoritism will exist no matter who is mod/admin, we are all human and react a certain way to different people. I am just saying that clan representation is important for the survival of the community and forum.

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....Where the fuck did my post in here go?
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Pogo Feb 28 2008, 03:16 PM Post #29
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You have to admit what you are arguing is an ideal, not the reality. The fact of the matter is, that clans are never going to get along, hell there are many disputes just within clans. But we can keep balance, and the best way to eliminate one clan able to play favorites more than another is to have balance. Because bias and favoritism will exist no matter who is mod/admin, we are all human and react a certain way to different people. I am just saying that clan representation is important for the survival of the community and forum.

Yeah, this is the post that wasn't appearing for me, I see everything now.
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