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CeLeBorN[EgO] Feb 25 2008, 12:34 PM Post #1
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DragoN[SeX] Feb 25 2008, 03:22 PM Post #2
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Could have just pm'd them.
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Joven Feb 25 2008, 05:03 PM Post #3
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I have a suggestion. I have thought this since the forums were first made, but I didn't say anything.
Here is what i suggest, I say we change how we think of the entire forums.
It was apparent that from the start we have thought of the forums to be a confederation. Each clan having greatest authority in their own section, while other clan's members have no to little say in another clan's section even though they are in a position of authority and charged with protecting and enforcing the rules set in place for the forums. A mod or admin exerting that authority in a certain section (not belonging to their clan) is then open to be nullified even though it is a direct violation of the rules set in place. This then is a breeding ground for conflict.

I say, instead of thinking of the forums as each section being separate entities, we think of the forums as being one whole forums. Each clan section and all other sections have the purpose of being for organization. Topics concerning clan EvX will be in evx's section as they are and as they should be. What would change is that an admin is an admin of all the forums, and a mod is a mod of all sections as is sometimes the case, but isn't once someone wants to break the rules and it is "their" section. That conflict can and should be avoided.
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DreZ Feb 25 2008, 08:56 PM Post #4
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As of now the rules clearly state that the clans section mod has all authority over his section to an extent. Now your making it seem like some sort life changing rules are being broken here. I'm sure if it was Liq or one of your other buddies, you'd look the other way and not even mention it.

Fact of the matter is, most every authority figure on this forum, shows favoritism towards their friends. However, I am willing to cooperate with a changing in rules and a changing in the whole system of these forums, so as long as everyone else does too.

Removing that whole, "It's my clan section, so I'll mod it" rule, would be fine and infact prevent a lot of arguements.

Another thing i wanted to implement was a system for the mods and admins slots available on these forums. I want to have a set amount of admins (for example 5), and a set amount of mods (for example 10), so we would know how many admin/mod slots are open for discussion. Another thing I wanted to implement, was that a mod may nominate a member for modship, however this nominee would need to be approved by at least 50 percent of the admins. Then hold a vote between all the admins and mods to see if the nominee should infact become a moderator of these forums.
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Joven Feb 25 2008, 09:10 PM Post #5
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I'm sure if it was Liq or one of your other buddies, you'd look the other way and not even mention it.

I'm sorry I have acted such to make you think I would be that way. I still consider Will to be my friend and if u want, you could ask liq if i look the other way when i think he is out of line, or simply double posts.

That out of the way.

I see nothing wrong with a set number of admins and mods. In fact i thought it was already that way.
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DreZ Feb 25 2008, 09:18 PM Post #6
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I'm sure if it was Liq or one of your other buddies, you'd look the other way and not even mention it.

I'm sorry I have acted such to make you think I would be that way. I still consider Will to be my friend and if u want, you could ask liq if i look the other way when i think he is out of line, or simply double posts.

That out of the way.

I see nothing wrong with a set number of admins and mods. In fact i thought it was already that way.

We have no set structure. We give out admins/mods on how we see it fit. I tried to bring up the new system with the other admins, but they simply ignored my post.
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Joven Feb 25 2008, 09:22 PM Post #7
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How many admins and mods are there now? I also don't understand the services and community titles and what kind of authority those positions have.
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DreZ Feb 25 2008, 09:31 PM Post #8
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How many admins and mods are there now? I also don't understand the services and community titles and what kind of authority those positions have.

There is currently 4 active admins, 2 semi-active and 1 inactive. Not sure how many mods there are, you can check the list on bottom.

The service/community buttons are for specific mods. The service mod was supposed to be for ladder officials. The community mods are League officials. Its just like section mods.
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Liquorman1 Feb 25 2008, 09:33 PM Post #9
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I have been corrected on numerous occasions by Joven. Admittedly one of my faults is not showing restraint enough when someone is hypocritical or I see is ottherwise in violation of something. As much as I hate to admit it, Joven held me back alot from doing things (to my benefit), as he moderated my viewpoint and allowed me to see a seperate side to the situation. That being said, neither of us have held back criticism of the other (I don't think) when the other breaks rules or otherwise compromises theirself.

That being said, I admit I am more critical of some on these forums than others, due to my percieved notion of THEIR favortism, and was just trying to "give them a does of thier own medicine" and show them the error in their logic and actions.

I agree, a set number of admins and Mods should be set. I believe if a mod or admin breaks rules, they should lose that status immediatly, and be barred from that position.

The allocation of these admins and mods will be a source of contention. Each clan leader will want admin. I think it should be put up to a vote who gets admin//mods. I think the person should have to be in the community at least 6 months, and have an impeccable record. ABout the only two I can say has that is Joven and Neoline. Broke is a good admin as well, but on several occassions Drezzic and especially Dragon has acted out of line, and should not be allowed admin. This is my personal opinion.

Also, An admin should be taken from a person when a plurality vote is obtained, meaning more than 2/3 of the ppl vote him out. This goes for mods too.

Sry for the long post.
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DreZ Feb 25 2008, 10:11 PM Post #10
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I've never done anything severe enough to lose my admins. An off topic flame here or there but thats about it. Where do you come off saying I should lose my admin. Like it or not, Broke, Dragon and myself are the main authority figures of these forums, for the simple fact that we've always stuck around here and do our jobs to keep these forums open, active, and organized. No1 has put more into these forums than us 3.

And if you want to talk about breaking pety rules, you sure as hell aren't innocent. Do you see us revoking your mod for your constant off-topic bantering? You lost your admin when you tried to sabotage these forums. None of us have ever done anything close to that magnitude.
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Liquorman1 Feb 25 2008, 11:29 PM Post #11
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This will not turn into another "he said, she said." The people that need to know, know that the "sabotage" argument is bullshit. I will leave it at that. What I stated was an opinion, care to disagree if you wish.

My previous comment on revoking admin for rule breaking, I mean that in the most serious offenses, such as misabusing power, as an example. He may do alot for the forums, no one is aruging that, but that is almost like saying a criminal should be released from jail becuase he is a hardworker and an asset to society when not commiting crimes :/
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DragoN[SeX] Feb 26 2008, 12:34 AM Post #12
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Let's simply put it this way. Your account being the only admin account ever erased [Except mine but was before any of this shit never happened]. Someone had to gave Reno admin, and it sure wasn't me, Tj, Killerd, Drezzic, Neo or Tiger. So unless he sacrificed a few virgins to Kali for admin on our forums you gave it to him. And he shut down the forums and started I.P. banning The admins. Lucky for us, I just so happened to notice in the midst of you two "taking over" and took action the quickest way possible to prevent any permanent damage to the forums.

So I don't see no "He says, she says bullshit." It's right there in black and white. As to us breaking the rules? Sure, everyone breaks the rules. But these are forums for fucks sake, we're not at trial defending a murderer.

Why don't you drop the innocent facade, we already know what happened.
Whether you like it or not Liq; Tj, Drez and myself have been the backbone of these forums since it's inception.

You practically chased out Ray with your constant bickering. And I'm content with him being the bigger man and just leaving, although he wasn't so petty as yourself to force a migration of forums. But do you see us kicking you out? No. In fact, you have mod for fucks sake.
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Joven Feb 26 2008, 12:45 AM Post #13
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Sooooooooooooooooo anyway. Back to the topic?
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DragoN[SeX] Feb 26 2008, 01:00 AM Post #14
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I was never in favor of the "Each mod their own section" rule, so yeah. Let's 86 it. =P
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Pogo Feb 26 2008, 01:32 PM Post #15
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"My section, let me mod." is a stupid rule.

Also, I am awesome.

Another thing, I think that every clan should have at least one repsesentative with some board powers or status. The only clan without representation is EXO. I mean, there is bound to be at least one responsible member of EXO that could handle a mod/admin position. Just a way to keep balance in the community.

Look at it this way:

5 clans total, and this could be the set up;

EvX - 1 admin, 2 mods
EvO - 1 admin, 2 mods
EgO - 1 admin, 2 mods
SeX - 1 admin, 2 mods
EXO -1 admin, 2 mods


That would make for the idea of 5 admins and 10 mods. Just a thought.
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