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Should we have carbon poles; To get a bit of interest in the forum
Topic Started: Oct 13 2006, 10:13 AM (2,228 Views)
Jim Walsh
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Initial pricing

3.4m pole 60mm OD x 1.5mm wall with Ronstan end fittings about $600

Weight 1.5 kgs

Anybody know what a spun tapered alloy pole with ends would cost and weigh ?
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SteveC
Oct 24 2006, 10:46 AM
Hey Barman, better stretch that tape measure a little more. Goldspar supplies the mast section, but that seems to be the only spar with manufactor restriction.

from class rules
Spinnaker pole

5.(t) The spinnaker pole shall be of aluminium tube with a maximum diameter at its centre of 65 mm and may be tapered to each end.

5.(u) The length of the pole, including to the outer edge of the end fittings, shall be 3.400 metres.

Well looks like i have been diddled in yet another aspect!! :angry:
I think I need a new carbon pole!
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SteveC
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Barman, there was a type of grandfathering of some equipment, not sure if the date has passed.

Goldspar pole, Price: $324.50 including GST + Freight. No ends.

Ronstan ends approx $90 each.
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SteveC
Oct 25 2006, 08:51 AM
Barman, there was a type of grandfathering of some equipment, not sure if the date has passed.

Goldspar pole, Price: $324.50 including GST + Freight. No ends.

As my missus always says, those extra few inches make all the difference. :lol: :lol:
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SteveC
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Jimmy, weight according to Goldspar site 1.441 kg/m!
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Jim Walsh
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The goldspar site still lists 12's skiff masts, and they haven't built one for over 10 years !!

The 1.441 kg/m is mast section and carbon would be about 50% lighter and about $200 per meter, Peter Barter may be able to tell us what a new alloy mast costs

Ronstan ends are $66 each, 3.4m C-tech tube length is about $300 (cheaper than alloy) so total for a pole with ends is $432. and 1.5 Kgs

I just weighed my alloy pole and it came in at 3.75 kgs
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From what I am seeing the price difference does not appear to be great.

The reduction in weight to handle does get a tick from me. Easier on the forward hand and less weight on the boom - reducing the need to carry the pole on the deck during light days - eg WT.

I would support the move - only for Spinnaker poles if the pricing remains confirmed.

My memory of the ends was that the section that I have - I think it is Goldspar - did not marry with the Ronstan ends anyway.
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Product: one only Elliot 7 Spin Pole, made from aluminium tube 65mm OD x
1.6mm wall, aluminium grade 6082 T6, 20 micron gold anodised finish, double
tapered bare section, no end fittings,

Price: $324.50 including GST + Freight

Availability: about 1 week x-works

Terms: payment in full on completion before despatch

Freight: to Brisbane $ 98.00 + GST

Whats the ID at the ends for the pole fittings?
$98 bucks freight, thats a bit steep!!
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Jim Walsh
Oct 25 2006, 11:42 AM
The goldspar site still lists 12's skiff masts, and they haven't built one for over 10 years !!

The 1.441 kg/m is mast section and carbon would be about 50% lighter and about $200 per meter, Peter Barter may be able to tell us what a new alloy mast costs

Ronstan ends are $66 each, 3.4m C-tech tube length is about $300 (cheaper than alloy) so total for a pole with ends is $432. and 1.5 Kgs

I just weighed my alloy pole and it came in at 3.75 kgs

oops, should be .874kg/m
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Hi all and thanks for starting this forum.
In regards to carbon poles, apart from removing the pole during times of ultra light breeze sailing there may be a number of boats with juniors or female sailor who would benefit by having the lighter poles. May be extend to all the fleet a choice as to which type they want and therefore how they spent their “boat maintenance budget”. The weight issue should not be a problem as most of the boats sailed by the “physically weaker” crews have winches fitted and other equipment that would bring the boat back up a couple of kegs.

If the class can reach a point where we have a good handle of the actual minimum sailing weight, the guys a front of the fleet who wish to keep up with the improvements in sailing technology have a choice and can decide how to reach that minimum. It is worth noting that the weight saving is less than .5 % of the boats stated displacement. I don’t think a lot of people will rush out and buy a new pole for at that kind of margin. However if an owner was to break a pole or fitting they should have a choice to up-grade.
A new pole is an area of the E7 that could be improved, but in my case I am quite happy to sail with the alloy one and look to some more pressing issues like going around the right mark.
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Jim Walsh
Oct 25 2006, 11:42 AM
The goldspar site still lists 12's skiff masts, and they haven't built one for over 10 years !!

The 1.441 kg/m is mast section and carbon would be about 50% lighter and about $200 per meter, Peter Barter may be able to tell us what a new alloy mast costs

Ronstan ends are $66 each, 3.4m C-tech tube length is about $300 (cheaper than alloy) so total for a pole with ends is $432. and 1.5 Kgs

I just weighed my alloy pole and it came in at 3.75 kgs

Jimmy can we take this to the high preist and put it on the next agenda, Huskie Pub meeting 11.57pm beer supplied by the E7 Asso?

We are looking at a new pole as the old one has more dents than Gus's starbord side..... hate to buy a new one and have the rules changed. Still say no to Masts....... and yes to poles and booms.
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And you could imagine that is a lot of dents.
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Pillow

I must admit as the RO on Sunday I am not certain why you need a spinnaker pole? That drop? at mark 4 was special - I even called on the rescue boat to keep an eye on you as you headed towards the lake wall with the kite still nicely at the top of the mast. Then the gybe(s)? on the run to the finish - I only comment because we don't get much of a chance to comment on the WT!

Just to make certain that you don't purchase a pole that can only be used as a flag pole outside the club.

The following will need to occur:

1.(g) The Management Team of the Association may recommend change to these Specifications to the members of the Association. This shall be restricted to such improvements as will conduce to the longevity of the boats and their equipment, to the clearer administration of the class, or to matters of safety on the water. Provision to change these Specifications is not intended to be used to alter the specifications of a boat or the class in an attempt to improve its speed. A recommendation for change to these Specifications shall only be made after it has been consulted with Elliott Marine Ltd and with the licensed builder. The recommendation shall include the results of both these consultations. To be accepted, such a recommendation shall require a two thirds majority of the boat owners who are members of the Association, voting, directly or by proxy at a General Meeting, or in a “postal ballot” (which may be conducted by an email poll, providing that method gives every member the opportunity of participating in the vote).
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Oct 30 2006, 06:00 AM
Pillow

I must admit as the RO on Sunday I am not certain why you need a spinnaker pole? That drop? at mark 4 was special - I even called on the rescue boat to keep an eye on you as you headed towards the lake wall with the kite still nicely at the top of the mast. Then the gybe(s)? on the run to the finish - I only comment because we don't get much of a chance to comment on the WT!

Just to make certain that you don't purchase a pole that can only be used as a flag pole outside the club.

The following will need to occur:

1.(g) The Management Team of the Association may recommend change to these Specifications to the members of the Association. This shall be restricted to such improvements as will conduce to the longevity of the boats and their equipment, to the clearer administration of the class, or to matters of safety on the water. Provision to change these Specifications is not intended to be used to alter the specifications of a boat or the class in an attempt to improve its speed. A recommendation for change to these Specifications shall only be made after it has been consulted with Elliott Marine Ltd and with the licensed builder. The recommendation shall include the results of both these consultations. To be accepted, such a recommendation shall require a two thirds majority of the boat owners who are members of the Association, voting, directly or by proxy at a General Meeting, or in a “postal ballot” (which may be conducted by an email poll, providing that method gives every member the opportunity of participating in the vote).

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Thats harsh Pillow.......
As the Skipper of the vessel - don't you have the responsibility of checking the adequacy of the boats rigging prior to competition !!
I therefore absolve all responsibility for the said incident - even if I did rig it wrong.
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