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Should we have carbon poles
Yes - one supplier 5 (45.5%)
Yes - weight controlled 1 (9.1%)
Yes - no limits 2 (18.2%)
No - I love aluminium 3 (27.3%)
Total Votes: 11
Should we have carbon poles; To get a bit of interest in the forum
Topic Started: Oct 13 2006, 10:13 AM (2,226 Views)
Jim Walsh
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J24's have them and watching my pole bend like a banana on the way home the other day why not
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SteveC
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Yes, as a near bow person. Association wise, it will be interesting to watch the poll.

I nearly said "love alluminium" because you don't have to worry about it, and you know when it fails that you really should have done something earlier.

What cost would it be?
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Barman
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My boat only came with bridal on the kicker, attached halfway for topper, I added a bridal on the topper quicksmart. The poles arn't very long so shouldn't cost much yeah.
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GnT
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I didn't vote, because I'm not in the class any more. But I do plan to rejoin in the future, so I have this opinion.

There is no question that carbon poles are technically superior. They are also not prohibitively expensive. However, to maintain the very strict one-design nature of the E7, all boats should have carbon poles. Anyone with an old aluminium pole is at a disadvantage. So, will this not discourage people with an E7 in their backyard from racing? And how will you get the current owners to fork out dollars en masse for the new poles, noting that there really isn't much wrong with everyone racing with the old poles (it is one-design afterall)?

My 2cents. Please don't think I'm tipping a bucket on the idea, just trying to be pragmatic.

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Humungus
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How do you make the transition from aluminium to carbon. I don't particularly want to buy a new pole ats I have lots of other things on my shopping list.
I haven't seen any poles break. The performance advantage over the water would be negligible. Just a bit easier for the bowman. But then all Elliott bowmen are hewn from solid granite (except Alice and Caz who get by with exceptional technique).
Maybe we could say if you have a girl on the bow you can have a carbon pole :P



Well done on this site by the way Walshy.
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Breeny
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I love aluminium....
I happen to think the success of the class is due to it's one design and GnT's thoughts on the subject is the position that this leads you to as a result.
I also love carbon....
As Jimmy has said to me in the past - it will make no difference on the water, just make the boat easier to sail, not faster. Or will it make you faster because you can sail it easier ??

As Gussy has stated though - the biggest issue is the cost. Individually, and to the class. One of the things we need to know is how much Goldspar charge for an aluminium pole and what would it cost for CST to make one?? Does anyone know?
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The Ghost
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The only concern that I have is that once you start where do you finish - do we then start talking about rudder boxes - which I think are more of a concern in relation to breakage.

However, having said that trying to get more people up the front of the boat would be encouraged by not having to swing a lump of aluminum around.

As the pole hits the water as the topper is let off would be priceless.

Bottom line would be - how much?
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Pillow
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SteveC
Oct 13 2006, 01:35 PM
Yes, as a near bow person. Association wise, it will be interesting to watch the poll.

I nearly said "love alluminium" because you don't have to worry about it, and you know when it fails that you really should have done something earlier.

What cost would it be?

get us a price Goat, I would like low cost carbon poles and booms but not masts.

We must gently move with the times if we are to stay with the times, dig it!!!!!! :)
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Humungus
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Jawohl Herr Pillow

The word might be PLEASE Goat ;)
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Humungus
Oct 16 2006, 07:19 AM
Jawohl Herr Pillow

The word might be PLEASE Goat ;)

sorry Please Goat your Worship.
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Jim Walsh
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Have requested pricing from C-Tech in NZ and CST in Sydney Herr Adolf Pillow
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Jim Walsh
Oct 16 2006, 09:08 AM
Have requested pricing from C-Tech in NZ and CST in Sydney Herr Adolf Pillow

That's MR Herr Pillow to you.........
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SteveC
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CTech various sizes, what would our requirements be?
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Barman
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Well I dont have the tapered pole but my Dimensions are 50mm ID @ 3.2 mtrs approx so that makes it $250 and 1.1kilos for the 1.5mm thickness. I'm not sure what thickness we would need.

Any help?
Where do we get new Ally poles from?
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SteveC
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Hey Barman, better stretch that tape measure a little more. Goldspar supplies the mast section, but that seems to be the only spar with manufactor restriction.

from class rules
Spinnaker pole

5.(t) The spinnaker pole shall be of aluminium tube with a maximum diameter at its centre of 65 mm and may be tapered to each end.

5.(u) The length of the pole, including to the outer edge of the end fittings, shall be 3.400 metres.
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