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FRR: No Mercy - Discussion
Topic Started: Jul 16 2013, 01:33 PM (8,991 Views)
That Kode Guy
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Just waiting on NFX for results now.
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And week 7 results are now available.
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
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Spatula,Jan 29 2011
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I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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I am not happy about MW at all, but 3-1 is a good week and I TROUNCED JOSH so I can't complain too much. :P
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:P

I'm currently contemplating different strategies for dealing with Kody. Right now Spinach, Gamma Rays, or a Cerebral Enhance-O-Tron seem the most viable. :v:
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
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Spatula,Jan 29 2011
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I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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Josh: Shitty nooby mspaint robort upset 5000? :P

1-3, could have done better
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Set for the week.
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1-3...I'm pretty pissed off about that, to be honest. Yet another 23-22 defeat for Jesus, Freezerburn was never going to win, but I'm genuinely surprised by MiDAS' match. Especially the flying-overhead thing, how did that work?
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Bullshit.
There are few crimes in our modern society that merit public beating. Interrupting someone's enjoyment of Messiah to request "Jingle Bells" by the Singing Dogs is irrefutably one such offense.
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Apr 16 2014, 11:43 AM
Bullshit.
Explaaaaiiiiiin :headache:
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Apr 16 2014, 11:51 AM
succotash_54
Apr 16 2014, 11:43 AM
Bullshit.
Explaaaaiiiiiin :headache:
So Dancing Headless is the new Warper. "Oh, I'm sorry, your opponent showed up, so you automatically lose." Fine. I can deal with that... I've been gone for a couple years and a couple rules that used to exist (self-knockout liability, the kiazi rule, e.g.) are gone. Live and learn. But that result bordered on what a court of law would call "actual malice". I'm all for jokes in the results--hell, I invented it--but with the possible exception of botguy257, I don't think I ever kicked a guy when he was down like that (and I even apologized to botguy later). "Stompbots faster than DH"? Puh-leeze.

Yellow Cloud losing to Barracuda... I'm mostly okay with. The only thing I take exception to is that I'm still fighting opponents that I can't tell what they are. All four of Nick's bots have such HORRIBLE contrast that I feel I'm at an extra disadvantage there. (The same argument would apply to Incredible Dong Adventure, if not for the fact that he admits it's a joke entrant... which one could argue should be grounds for automatically losing every single one of its matches).

Rascal losing to Smoke And Mirrors is the one that pisses me off the most. For starters, multibots are inherently smaller than a full-sized bot. They have to be, since they still have to meet the weight limit requirement of that weight class. Those wedges would have to be the length of an entire chassis (which the pictures clearly show they are not)to be effective in warding off a full size bot's forks. Speaking of forks, since when are anti-wedge lifter forks, modeled directly after Season 5 Wedge Of Doom--arguably the most effective forks in all real-life lightweights, not get under a PLOW? And not just the occasional difficulty that is inherent in any fight... but I don't think I got under either one of them at all during the fight. Maybe once or twice. I can understand the other piece being ready to intercept and cut off a retreat, but I'm still faster, which means when a retreat comes, even a two-part multibot can't cover the arena floor adequately to completely prevent the retreat of a faster bot. The arena is simply too big. That result was just not realistic, especially to merit a score that lopsided.

I get it, it's a fantasy league, but there's a difference between "fantasy league" and "Alice In Wonderland".

I try not to complain about results. It's annoying when it happens, it never ends well, and it makes the complainer often ends up looking petty. And sometimes I'm just fuckin' outclassed, sometimes I'm a lifter in a room full STEVEouts, I've been out of the loop for awhile, I'm an old dog learning new tricks... but I feel like the fact that my bots are mostly the same as they once were has become grounds to automatically and disadvantageously saddle them as "ineffective" or "obsolete."

I hope I've stated my case civilly enough to not ruffle too many feathers.
There are few crimes in our modern society that merit public beating. Interrupting someone's enjoyment of Messiah to request "Jingle Bells" by the Singing Dogs is irrefutably one such offense.
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Well I'll address the parts that are relevant to me.

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So Dancing Headless is the new Warper. "Oh, I'm sorry, your opponent showed up, so you automatically lose." Fine. I can deal with that... I've been gone for a couple years and a couple rules that used to exist (self-knockout liability, the kiazi rule, e.g.) are gone. Live and learn. But that result bordered on what a court of law would call "actual malice". I'm all for jokes in the results--hell, I invented it--but with the possible exception of botguy257, I don't think I ever kicked a guy when he was down like that (and I even apologized to botguy later). "Stompbots faster than DH"? Puh-leeze.
Admittedly I did go rather over the top with that result. A definite case of once the jokes start popping into the old noggin they just get thrown in and since there really isn't an objective 3rd party editor it ends up sticking. I do tend to favor injecting levity into results where neither competitor is really giving a strong effort/has much emotional investment in. I did try to put in jokes that weren't shots on you as well (the Diana Ross gag is at worst a neutral joke and the jab at the "sexual ambiguity" of IDA).

On the more serious part of the spectrum, IDA may not be a serious entry, but that wasn't reflected in his RP for the week. It was fairly concise, but it was also a legit RP. I tend to look at things on a week to week basis and not rely on previous weeks to "set the standard" too much. For example (it's a bit of a different situation, but has relevance) when Hephaestus took on Tankasaurus Wrex, Alex turned in a rather low quality/effort RP (especially by his standards) because Wrex was essentially a jokebot and truthfully Marti had been turning in rather goofy RP's for him. However, it fell on Kody to step in and do Marti's RP's for that week and Kody gave a somewhat unorthodox, yet fairly competent RP for Wrex. So I had Wrex winning. Maybe that was the wrong call overall, I dunno, but I had justifications.

I for one wouldn't have Dancing Headless lose just because "lolDH". Of course 3 speed is VERY limiting in terms of what you can do and the spikes aren't exactly the most useful side protection.


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Yellow Cloud losing to Barracuda... I'm mostly okay with. The only thing I take exception to is that I'm still fighting opponents that I can't tell what they are. All four of Nick's bots have such HORRIBLE contrast that I feel I'm at an extra disadvantage there. (The same argument would apply to Incredible Dong Adventure, if not for the fact that he admits it's a joke entrant... which one could argue should be grounds for automatically losing every single one of its matches).
Well I can't speak for your computer situation, but even though Nick's pictures are rather dark, I can see enough to where I would NEVER assume that the light-grey part of Barracuda was the lifting part.

As always, you could always ask around for a second opinion on something if you're unsure. I can't remember if you did ask something about that specifically.
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
01:27 AM
Spatula,Jan 29 2011
11:32 PM
I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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I made reference to it in my RP, and I feel what I asked for Parasite would apply to all of Nick's bots. And the last time I asked for help with Parasite, I had to ask a couple times before anyone woke up and helped.

If I lost BECAUSE I mistook the gray part for the lifter (it was the part facing forward in the non-sideview shot), then I do feel that's a slight, because I accounted for that possibility in my RP where I said, "If not, I'll find out really quickly." And either way, the tactic was mostly the same.... the one difference being that I still have no effin' clue what the lifter looks like. It's murky shadows and silhouettes... and I've tinkered with the colors and contrasts on my monitor to try and make it more visible... no go. If it's a shit-ton wider than I thought it might possibly be, that's a real difference and strategy-changer.

As for IDA... like I said, it's not so much the loss. I read the RP and saw he actually put some level of effort into it. Just not the actual bot. DH is as slow as it is because I thought self-destruction was still a thing in our league, so I'm not horribly miffed that it's a joke this season because of its speed (combined with being a class full of rammers... just rotten luck that I submitted my bots earlier than a lot of others who coincidentally entered rammers afterwards).
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lol i see where you are coming from in that last paragraph, good for it 1 had the same problem, but not as bad.
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Gah! One point away from a 4-0 (then again, one point away from a 2-2). Knew the Final Boss fight would be tough, so I'm happy I made it close. I'm certainly happy with the 3-1. Good fights everyone.
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Apr 16 2014, 01:13 PM
On the more serious part of the spectrum, IDA may not be a serious entry, but that wasn't reflected in his RP for the week. It was fairly concise, but it was also a legit RP. I tend to look at things on a week to week basis and not rely on previous weeks to "set the standard" too much. For example (it's a bit of a different situation, but has relevance) when Hephaestus took on Tankasaurus Wrex, Alex turned in a rather low quality/effort RP (especially by his standards) because Wrex was essentially a jokebot and truthfully Marti had been turning in rather goofy RP's for him. However, it fell on Kody to step in and do Marti's RP's for that week and Kody gave a somewhat unorthodox, yet fairly competent RP for Wrex. So I had Wrex winning. Maybe that was the wrong call overall, I dunno, but I had justifications.
You mean like back in FRR5 when Kody turned in a joke RP against Dr. P because I hadn't shown up for weeks, but then when I did show up and RP'd seriously against him, he was not only allowed to edit his RP, but also won the match?
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Apr 16 2014, 02:53 PM
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Apr 16 2014, 01:13 PM
On the more serious part of the spectrum, IDA may not be a serious entry, but that wasn't reflected in his RP for the week. It was fairly concise, but it was also a legit RP. I tend to look at things on a week to week basis and not rely on previous weeks to "set the standard" too much. For example (it's a bit of a different situation, but has relevance) when Hephaestus took on Tankasaurus Wrex, Alex turned in a rather low quality/effort RP (especially by his standards) because Wrex was essentially a jokebot and truthfully Marti had been turning in rather goofy RP's for him. However, it fell on Kody to step in and do Marti's RP's for that week and Kody gave a somewhat unorthodox, yet fairly competent RP for Wrex. So I had Wrex winning. Maybe that was the wrong call overall, I dunno, but I had justifications.
You mean like back in FRR5 when Kody turned in a joke RP against Dr. P because I hadn't shown up for weeks, but then when I did show up and RP'd seriously against him, he was not only allowed to edit his RP, but also won the match?
You mean like when you left without any warning (not even a "lol leaving goodbye") and then just randomly came back out of the blue and then complained about losing a match where both bots were eliminated? Yeah I think I recall. :v:
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
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Spatula,Jan 29 2011
11:32 PM
I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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http://s10.zetaboards.com/Drowning_City_Forums/topic/7465869/1/ This is the 'fairly competent RP' btw.
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Tankasarus Rex had 1 Torque. It couldn't even push Hephaestus.
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Apr 16 2014, 02:55 PM
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Apr 16 2014, 02:53 PM
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On the more serious part of the spectrum, IDA may not be a serious entry, but that wasn't reflected in his RP for the week. It was fairly concise, but it was also a legit RP. I tend to look at things on a week to week basis and not rely on previous weeks to "set the standard" too much. For example (it's a bit of a different situation, but has relevance) when Hephaestus took on Tankasaurus Wrex, Alex turned in a rather low quality/effort RP (especially by his standards) because Wrex was essentially a jokebot and truthfully Marti had been turning in rather goofy RP's for him. However, it fell on Kody to step in and do Marti's RP's for that week and Kody gave a somewhat unorthodox, yet fairly competent RP for Wrex. So I had Wrex winning. Maybe that was the wrong call overall, I dunno, but I had justifications.
You mean like back in FRR5 when Kody turned in a joke RP against Dr. P because I hadn't shown up for weeks, but then when I did show up and RP'd seriously against him, he was not only allowed to edit his RP, but also won the match?
You mean like when you left without any warning (not even a "lol leaving goodbye") and then just randomly came back out of the blue and then complained about losing a match where both bots were eliminated? Yeah I think I recall. :v:
Yes, I do mean that. It doesn't matter what I did, that was clear violation of the rules.
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Well shit, why stop there?

Maybe we should go back to me blatantly fixing the playoffs to eliminate you and grab a cheap championship. Oh wait that didn't actually happen.

You want to bring up the Tank/Stampede thing again too while we're at it?

Jesus, if I hadn't already agreed to help Lian in CB by being on the staff I'd just take a leave from the staff for awhile. Clearly I'm being deemed unfit to write results anymore so I'm sure it would be to everyone's benefit if I didn't for awhile after FRR. >__>
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
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Spatula,Jan 29 2011
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I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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