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Ruination: The Omen - Discussion
Topic Started: May 24 2013, 05:05 PM (22,948 Views)
prince palatine
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GF93
Jan 22 2014, 05:34 PM
KodeBreaker
Jan 22 2014, 05:30 PM
Tornedron, unlike CotD, doesn't have much going for it against that 11-armour scoop and ABR's superb control and drivetrain, so there was little direction else that fight would have gone.
Then why did I beat him the first time?
To answer that, I must start singing

*Phil Collins voice*

You won your match in the LAND OF CONFUSION!!

*Normal voice*

Land of Confusion is pretty much an anti-brick arena, there's fuck all for him to push you into, but the ARC is very bot neutral with space and hazards aplenty.
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Honours

Robot Attack LW Runner Up (With The Servant's Assistant)
FRR: Dead Zone LW Runner Up (With The Servant's Assistant)
Ruination: The Beginning joint third place (With The Servant's Assistant, Camo Alert and Hammer & Nailz)
Crazy Bots Blazing Ruin: MW Runner Up (Merry Hampton BR) and SHW CHAMPION!!! (F-Dynasty)
League of Robotic Excellence: MW 3rd place (Terminus) and LW CHAMPION!!! (The Servant's Assistant 3)
Ruination: The Omen: MW joint 3rd place (Merry Hampton BR) SHW joint 3rd place (Curse Of The Deep 2) and HW CHAMPION!!! (Klarinette)
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That's what I just said, lol.
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Jan 22 2014, 05:39 PM
That's what I just said, lol.
I used a Phil Collins voice so :P

But in all seriousness, I din't actually see your post until I finished mine.
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Robot Attack LW Runner Up (With The Servant's Assistant)
FRR: Dead Zone LW Runner Up (With The Servant's Assistant)
Ruination: The Beginning joint third place (With The Servant's Assistant, Camo Alert and Hammer & Nailz)
Crazy Bots Blazing Ruin: MW Runner Up (Merry Hampton BR) and SHW CHAMPION!!! (F-Dynasty)
League of Robotic Excellence: MW 3rd place (Terminus) and LW CHAMPION!!! (The Servant's Assistant 3)
Ruination: The Omen: MW joint 3rd place (Merry Hampton BR) SHW joint 3rd place (Curse Of The Deep 2) and HW CHAMPION!!! (Klarinette)
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Jan 22 2014, 05:25 PM
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Jan 22 2014, 04:46 PM
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Jan 22 2014, 04:36 PM
Well, at least you can say you've won something within each of those two years, Josh. And I'm not saying I should just receive championships freshly-cut and served hot in a basket with up to eight different toppings- I know you've got to work for it, with regards to both design and strategy. No point in competing if you just receive it by default, after all.

It's just an awful feeling when you make it this far, feel that you might finally make a championship after three years of...well, not doing so, and then you get stomped by somebody you've already beaten before, and get zilch for all your hard work.
Well that was just an average to make a point. A point you apparently didn't follow. Remember that Redemption to Ruination gap I mentioned? Yeah that was about a 5 year stretch of winning nothing. So yeah I know a thing or two about droughts. Yeah it kind of sucks when you do make it to the Finals here and there during that kind of stretch and still fall short, but you just salvage what you can and try to do better next time.

I could probably say I did myself more harm than good by sticking to Zombie Killer season after season during the ARC round robin tournaments. You don't do yourself many favors if you stay stagnet design wise.
Fair point. That last bit about staying stagnant design-wise though, I don't get. As of late- whenever I bring designs back, I try to improve them wherever I can, as I did in Tornedron's case when I remade him from the original Psyclone. Likewise, I completely rebuilt Lethal Injection and did well with him up until losing to CotD (A rammer losing to a spinner), but lost with Tornedron to Lethal Injection lite.

In this case- a spinner with the same degree of power as CotD but faster and much more agile (And as we saw was fast enough to keep up with ABR last time) loses to a rammer with 5 armour, but likewise- CotD beat Lethal Injection despite being far slower and LI2 having much better armour overall. So to put it in perspective- my Rammer loses, opposing Spinner wins. Then my Spinner loses, opposing Rammer wins.


And as one last point against the whole idea of sticking with ideas you're comfortable with being a bad thing- I don't recall Kody changed Teresa much since it won LORE's SHW division, yet it's not given up a loss, and still considered to be essentially invincible. So it's not always a bad thing to stick with what works.
Lethal Injection:
Armour - 9 (for the scoop)

Curse of the Deep:
Weapon - 14

Annoying Box Rush:
Armor - 11 (for the scoop)

Tornedron:
Weapon - 14

That's not exactly 'nuff said, but there's a bigger difference in weapon/armor than what you're saying.
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Square Wave: 11-1
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Probably would've had a better chance in that SHW fight if not for the Deus ex Immediate Scoop-Removing-in-two-or-so-Hits, but yeah.

That aside, that first fight did prove that Tornedron was at least agile enough to keep up with him and avoid his charges, so I felt that he would be capable of doing that and getting his 5 (!!) chassis as he did so. Even with the terrain advantage, I still had enough behind the ring to damage the scoop directly too, so particularly considering how CotD could do it to LI2 despite not having the correct teeth to do so, I don't see why that wasn't considered either.
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Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

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Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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Jan 22 2014, 05:49 PM
Probably would've had a better chance in that SHW fight if not for the Deus ex Immediate Scoop-Removing-in-two-or-so-Hits, but yeah.
Okay, seeing as I wrote that fight, I'll explain. My ineptitude was showing there, because I agree that it would have taken far more hits to take off the scoop than that, considering CotD's teeth. But it will still do a hell of a lot of damage.

EITHER WAY, that fight was going to be 23-22 for CotD no matter how the fight was written, so I advise you to put it out of your mind.
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Just had a bit of a thought, actually. Will there be fights for Third Place, or perhaps a Melee to decide Fifth from Eighth ala German Robot Wars? Considering this competition utilises this new system with Eight Robots in the Playoffs rather than the usual Four, it might work well.
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"I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets."

Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

ALL-TIME RECORD
Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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Siphai
Jan 22 2014, 05:32 PM
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Jan 22 2014, 04:46 PM
So yeah I know a thing or two about droughts.
Now that Philip's back, we can all be prepared to hear about his drought so extreme that even the desert died away from dehydration.
Well it's no fucking fun if you spoil it for everyone! Way to steal my thunder! Thunder-stealer! Do it again, and I'll make you attend my next therapy session with me! (100 points to anyone who gets the reference).

But yeah, fucking Atacama in terms of a drought. Though admittedly, I did have FRR and the Bot Olympics to help me in those times.

And seriously, fairness? I'm the guy who was the only one to beat Striker in its first season, only to lose in the finals to him. Or do-si-doing with Hit 'Em Harder so many times that we throw our lemonade in each other's faces whenever we have to square dance against each other. Or how many times Rascal's season got seriously fucked up because Siphai had such a raging boner with The Windmill? Seriously Alex, if your erection lasts more than four seasons, see a doctor! So yeah, you can complain about fairness all you want, but it's a simple fact: life ain't fair. We try to be as fair as possible, and that's why we have the diversity of the staff that we do, and these guys are pretty neutral. The only time I think anyone made me lose cuz they were pissed at me was Josh when I was RPing with The Aristocrats, but even then... I was a slow stomper showbot, they don't win often.

I hear you, GF93. The last script I wrote for the ARC Finals, when I finally won a title in 2011, I wrote my post-fight interview response from the perspective of someone in your situation: "It's only 'just a game' once you've actually won." That's really true.

And Josh brings up a good point about sticking with bot designs. Zombie Killer and Warper are really good examples: both were bots that kept losing as long as the opponent RPed that they were going to try and put them on their side. Didn't matter if they had no wedging or lifter. ZK and Warper ended up on their sides every f'ing time.

I guess what I'm saying is: don't give up, don't blame others, keep honing your designs and your RP strategies. You'll need some luck too, granted, but the better you keep improving at the other two, the less you'll need the third.

Unless Alex keeps entering The Windmill, Tank, and Eurypterus. Then even a leprechaun with rabbit's feet can't help you, dammit.
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Jan 22 2014, 03:58 PM
Without trying to sound too bitter- it's like everyone gets a Championship at some point, but just not me. Even winning just one at this point would suit me fine, but it just won't happen. No matter what I do, no matter what designs I come up with, no matter how meticulously I plan my strategies, it just won't happen.
You really can't base your life around winning championships. You're just setting yourself up for disappointment. I think everyone except for Kody and Chris probably wishes they had won more.

Yeah, it's frustrating when it doesn't happen, it's frustrating when you come close over and over and don't quite make it. But at the same time, if you won all the time, it wouldn't be fun either. The game is only fun because there is far greater potential to lose.

No matter how good your bot is, it can always be countered. No design is perfect. There is also some variation between the writers. Different writers gravitate to different designs and an outcome that's close in one direction could flip if someone else were writing. If we all thought the same way about every matchup we'd all enter the same bots. Josh wrote our first match, Alex/Nick F/and Chris decided on the semifinal. Different people, different outcome. And you can't always tell how the stat system will be interpreted; that can change from tourney to tourney, from writer to writer. There are a lot of random things that go on.

The absolute best you can do is enter 4 great robots, make them all different so that if one type of design seems to do better in a tourney you're covered, and then write good RPs for them. If you do that, you are pretty much guaranteed at least one playoff spot. Beyond that there is nothing you can do to improve your chances. The playoffs are single elimination and if the bot that counters you is in your division, that's that. If you have good matchups against the bots in your division you can win and if the other finalist took out your biggest counter then you can win the finals. That's a lot of ifs and there's a lot of luck involved. You cannot change your luck.

As far as Lian and Nick F winning championships while you haven't... okay, it's a fair comparison as I think all three of you have had fairly equally matched teams in the past few tournies. You haven't been in as many tournies as they have, but in the tournies you've been in, I think you've maintained roughly the same win/loss ratio if not slightly better than NFX, and a better win/loss ratio than Lian. Lian's been here much longer than you. He's been here since ARC Aftermath at least. I think with some of his bots, the stars just aligned perfectly, like with Don't Tread on Me. All the good counters were eliminated. That's how you get to the top really.

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im happy whenever i win a match...
March or Die - Ruination: The Omen MW Last Eight, Ruination: The Omen Tag Team Champion (with the Green Hornet / NWOWWE), Ruination: The Contagion MW CHAMPION
Corrupt Politician - Reign of Steel SHW Finalist
Murder Is Fun! - Reign of Steel HW Semi-Finalist
Shrek - Hammerfall 4th Place

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Jan 22 2014, 07:47 PM
You haven't been in as many tournies as they have, but in the tournies you've been in, I think you've maintained roughly the same win/loss ratio if not slightly better than NFX, and a better win/loss ratio than Lian.

That much is at least true.

Lian: 138-125 (0.525)
Nick: 129-110 (0.540)
Alex: 109-85 (0.562)
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Jan 23 2014, 06:27 AM
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Jan 22 2014, 07:47 PM
You haven't been in as many tournies as they have, but in the tournies you've been in, I think you've maintained roughly the same win/loss ratio if not slightly better than NFX, and a better win/loss ratio than Lian.

That much is at least true.

Lian: 138-125 (0.525)
Nick: 129-110 (0.540)
Alex: 109-85 (0.562)
You know, I'd never noticed that.

Even though like I say, I don't expect to just have them handed over- no point in becoming Champion if you win by default, after all- that is a good thing to remember actually, Spatch. I'll try and do that for the next competition- come up with good robots, compete the best I can, and see where it goes from there. I mean, what is essentially Third Place for the Lightweight Division and Fifth for the HW/SHW ones is a pretty good consolation prize as it is, and there's still the Awards and stuff to go if I recall correctly.
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Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

ALL-TIME RECORD
Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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Hmm.

I was wondering if we could get Philip to do another Finals script. It would be fun.
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ooh yeah i need to do some not so serious finals spreads.

i get to have an opinion now as i made the playoffs :v:
Edited by playzooki, Jan 23 2014, 10:26 AM.
March or Die - Ruination: The Omen MW Last Eight, Ruination: The Omen Tag Team Champion (with the Green Hornet / NWOWWE), Ruination: The Contagion MW CHAMPION
Corrupt Politician - Reign of Steel SHW Finalist
Murder Is Fun! - Reign of Steel HW Semi-Finalist
Shrek - Hammerfall 4th Place

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Something to lighten the mood. :P

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"I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets."

Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

ALL-TIME RECORD
Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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SZF v6 had a pentagram under it at the beginning :v:
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Jan 23 2014, 11:15 AM
SZF v6 had a pentagram under it at the beginning :v:
Ah, OK. Always good to see someone who writes things on the bottom of their robots- I've always wanted to do that myself, but I don't really have a way of showing it in my drawings. Come to think of it, I might start doing that- perhaps when I next enter Mamba, I'll write All Adders are Puffs on the baseplate. You get a cookie if you get the reference. :P
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"I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets."

Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

ALL-TIME RECORD
Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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obviouslyi should put some comedy picture on the bottom...

Takeshi's castle, anyone?
March or Die - Ruination: The Omen MW Last Eight, Ruination: The Omen Tag Team Champion (with the Green Hornet / NWOWWE), Ruination: The Contagion MW CHAMPION
Corrupt Politician - Reign of Steel SHW Finalist
Murder Is Fun! - Reign of Steel HW Semi-Finalist
Shrek - Hammerfall 4th Place

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Jan 23 2014, 09:29 AM
Hmm.

I was wondering if we could get Philip to do another Finals script. It would be fun.
Ooh, let me think about that: do I want to write a script for the finals for a tournament that I didn't participate even the slightest iota in, for league I've yet to participate in, for bots that I'm largely unfamiliar with driven by a roboteer or two whose personalities I'm not familiar with, and throw in several jokes and insights knowing that most of the people will just scroll down to "Mark Beiro"'s announcement of the winner, and then bitch or celebrate without really reading much else (and heaven help you if the POOL OF WRITERS THAT DECIDE THE FINALS decide that someone's gonna lose by a Knockout)?

Yeah, that's a real thinker there.

Sorry if that reads too mean. I've got a shitload of real world on my plate, crossing my fingers that I'll still be able to participate in the tourneys I've entered (I've already ruled out taking up results-writing again...not that anyone asked me either), and just a fair amount of possible anxiety and depression right now. I'm glad you thought of me, thank you for that, but script-writing for ARC is a big energy drain, and my morale is pure vapors right now.
Edited by succotash_54, Jan 23 2014, 07:40 PM.
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Jan 23 2014, 07:38 PM
...knowing that most of the people will just scroll down to "Mark Beiro"'s announcement of the winner, and then bitch or celebrate without really reading much else...
Well I can't speak for absolutely everyone, but I think that the vast majority of people actually DID read through the whole script (and not just their own fight if they even had one) since it was always a rather welcome change from the regular results presented throughout the rest of the season. So I think that bit of sarcasm was rather unwarrented. A simple "No, just too busy to commit to that" or similar would have sufficed.

On a more positive note, I've got my Final RP set and ready to go. It's the first time I'm facing off against Alex in the Finals since the last ToC/Tank showdown I believe, so this should be good!
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Spatula,Jan 29 2011
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I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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