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Ruination: The Omen - Discussion
Topic Started: May 24 2013, 05:05 PM (22,949 Views)
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GF93
Jan 22 2014, 03:42 PM
Even then, I just don't understand why I fail every time at this stage. Just wondering what the use in trying honestly is- I'll never win.

It's just not going to happen.
lmao

I went from ARC: Redemption through Ruination: The Beginning without winning. It's not like it's the easiest thing in the world to have the last bot standing.
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
01:27 AM
Spatula,Jan 29 2011
11:32 PM
I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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And that's why anyone competes. If we all knew who was going to win from the word go, we wouldn't bother showing up. The fact that there are certain advantages and disadvantages that we won't know how they match up Until they match up makes competitions so intriguing.
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Jan 22 2014, 03:33 PM
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Jan 22 2014, 03:29 PM
So we're going to see one of your standard rages then? >_>
No...I'm just sick and tired of this. This always happens! I think I'm going to finally win something, and then I don't. It's not fair- I've put my all into RPing and everything because I think maybe, just maybe, I might have a chance this time. But now, it's not going to happen. Reach up too high, and then get smacked down again as always.

Literally, I'm shaking right now.
So you had an unlucky matchup. Everybody gets unlucky matchups. Frequency had to face ABR in the quarters, and was summarily beaten, despite putting up a good fight. Braveheart had Green Hornet, and lost a very close fight that could have gone either way. Reaver had Jack Frost and got his ass kicked. Kraze got a shitload of powerful spinners and never even made it to the playoffs. I did think this would be my most successful season yet, but the outcome wasn't really close to that. All that proves is that there are ways I can improve the designs, and perhaps there were one or two unfavourable matchups or questionable strategies on my part that eventually put me out of the running.

You come out with things like "It's not fair"...what if it is? What if there's no bias or conspiracy or secret plot going on amongst the staff, and your opponent simply had a design that would counter yours more effectively, or had a strategy that would enable them to win? Regardless of how many words or how much effort you put into yours? ABR is a very well-designed for taking on spinners with its 11 Armour wedge at the back. And Spatch is no slouch when it comes to RP's either.

You can build the most elaborate house you want, a wrecking ball will still knock it down.
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You're just a voice pal, you don't know a damn thing about racing!
At least you got bots in the playoffs...
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No, it won't. The way I see it- I could have the greatest set of robots yet seen on ARC, and I'd still lose at this point. I'm just going to get old and crusty like ACAMS- competing for a long time with nothing to show for it, whilst everyone else picks Championships up like apples at an orchard in harvest season.

I mean, you've got guys like Lian and Nick. Not a big difference in age or time they've been on ARC (I think?), but they get Championships quite often. Josh, Kody- they're not much older than I am, but they've probably won a million competitions between them at this point, and continue to do so today.

Without trying to sound too bitter- it's like everyone gets a Championship at some point, but just not me. Even winning just one at this point would suit me fine, but it just won't happen. No matter what I do, no matter what designs I come up with, no matter how meticulously I plan my strategies, it just won't happen.


...

...perhaps I'm going off on a tangent a bit, but honestly. Gutted is not the word.
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Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

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GF, if you're going to play for a pity party, it won't work. Do you see Spatula crying over every play-offs he's been shunted out of?

Also, ACAMS DID win a tournament. :v:
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Jan 22 2014, 03:58 PM
I mean, you've got guys like Lian and Nick. Not a big difference in age or time they've been on ARC (I think?), but they get Championships quite often.
I assume by "quite often" you mean once?
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Jan 22 2014, 03:58 PM
I mean, you've got guys like Lian and Nick. Not a big difference in age or time they've been on ARC (I think?), but they get Championships quite often. Josh, Kody- they're not much older than I am, but they've probably won a million competitions between them at this point, and continue to do so today.

Without trying to sound too bitter- it's like everyone gets a Championship at some point, but just not me. Even winning just one at this point would suit me fine, but it just won't happen. No matter what I do, no matter what designs I come up with, no matter how meticulously I plan my strategies, it just won't happen.
This comment is so hilarious I almost don't know what to say. I've been doing these ARC things since 2004 and haven't missed a tournament since I joined. I've won 5 times. 5. At this point that amounts to winning a championship at the average pace of 1 every 2 years. The only person on ARC that's competed in more CFL fights than me is Chris and he's won like 3x as many championships as me. Lian and Nick have won once apiece if I'm remembering right.

At this point guys like Chris and Kody are extreme outliers in terms of success, but that doesn't mean they get gift-wrapped championships.
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
01:27 AM
Spatula,Jan 29 2011
11:32 PM
I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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Jan 22 2014, 04:08 PM
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Jan 22 2014, 03:58 PM
I mean, you've got guys like Lian and Nick. Not a big difference in age or time they've been on ARC (I think?), but they get Championships quite often. Josh, Kody- they're not much older than I am, but they've probably won a million competitions between them at this point, and continue to do so today.

Without trying to sound too bitter- it's like everyone gets a Championship at some point, but just not me. Even winning just one at this point would suit me fine, but it just won't happen. No matter what I do, no matter what designs I come up with, no matter how meticulously I plan my strategies, it just won't happen.
This comment is so hilarious I almost don't know what to say. I've been doing these ARC things since 2004 and haven't missed a tournament since I joined. I've won 5 times. 5. At this point that amounts to winning a championship at the average pace of 1 every 2 years. The only person on ARC that's competed in more CFL fights than me is Chris and he's won like 3x as many championships as me. Lian and Nick have won once apiece if I'm remembering right.

At this point guys like Chris and Kody are extreme outliers in terms of success, but that doesn't mean they get gift-wrapped championships.
I have two championships Josh (TSA 3 and F-Dynasty), just to correct you there.

Anywho, get in 'Nette-Chan! (Glomps her to death) Wow, what a mouthwatering finals match I get. DutchOUT vs Yellow Cloud's bastard daughter, bring it on!
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Robot Attack LW Runner Up (With The Servant's Assistant)
FRR: Dead Zone LW Runner Up (With The Servant's Assistant)
Ruination: The Beginning joint third place (With The Servant's Assistant, Camo Alert and Hammer & Nailz)
Crazy Bots Blazing Ruin: MW Runner Up (Merry Hampton BR) and SHW CHAMPION!!! (F-Dynasty)
League of Robotic Excellence: MW 3rd place (Terminus) and LW CHAMPION!!! (The Servant's Assistant 3)
Ruination: The Omen: MW joint 3rd place (Merry Hampton BR) SHW joint 3rd place (Curse Of The Deep 2) and HW CHAMPION!!! (Klarinette)
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Jan 22 2014, 03:26 PM
I fucking lost again. Just what did I do wrong? WHAT DID I DO?!
I've performed an in-depth analysis, and I have concluded that your loss can be attributed to the large point advantage given to ABR from the judges. You're welcome.

But na, seriously, you need to stop shitting your pants whenever you so much as (*GASP*) lose (*GASP*). There's at least 2 other tourneys you could be focusing on entering instead of whining about this one.
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Well, at least you can say you've won something within each of those two years, Josh. And I'm not saying I should just receive championships freshly-cut and served hot in a basket with up to eight different toppings- I know you've got to work for it, with regards to both design and strategy. No point in competing if you just receive it by default, after all.

It's just an awful feeling when you make it this far, feel that you might finally make a championship after three years of...well, not doing so, and then you get stomped by somebody you've already beaten before, and get zilch for all your hard work.
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"I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets."

Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

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Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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Jan 22 2014, 04:36 PM
Well, at least you can say you've won something within each of those two years, Josh. And I'm not saying I should just receive championships freshly-cut and served hot in a basket with up to eight different toppings- I know you've got to work for it, with regards to both design and strategy. No point in competing if you just receive it by default, after all.

It's just an awful feeling when you make it this far, feel that you might finally make a championship after three years of...well, not doing so, and then you get stomped by somebody you've already beaten before, and get zilch for all your hard work.
Well that was just an average to make a point. A point you apparently didn't follow. Remember that Redemption to Ruination gap I mentioned? Yeah that was about a 5 year stretch of winning nothing. So yeah I know a thing or two about droughts. Yeah it kind of sucks when you do make it to the Finals here and there during that kind of stretch and still fall short, but you just salvage what you can and try to do better next time.

I could probably say I did myself more harm than good by sticking to Zombie Killer season after season during the ARC round robin tournaments. You don't do yourself many favors if you stay stagnet design wise.
Area51Escapee,Jan 30 2011
01:27 AM
Spatula,Jan 29 2011
11:32 PM
I should go 3-1 this week but it'll probably be something like 0-4 or 0-5.

It sucks going 0-5. You lose all 4 of your bot fights for the week and you also lose at life.
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You're just a voice pal, you don't know a damn thing about racing!
So you get to complain because a spinner lost to a brick in the semis, but I can't even though I got completely shut out from the playoffs entirely. Dude, shut up and move on. I've kept quiet before because there was at least some reasoning to it but I'm done. Chill your nips.
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Chill out yo, I didn't win either. I never win. Just do it for fun. Because if you do it just to win you lose, and if you grump you look like a loser. Calm down~ you'll get your shot one day. :D
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Jan 22 2014, 04:46 PM
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Jan 22 2014, 04:36 PM
Well, at least you can say you've won something within each of those two years, Josh. And I'm not saying I should just receive championships freshly-cut and served hot in a basket with up to eight different toppings- I know you've got to work for it, with regards to both design and strategy. No point in competing if you just receive it by default, after all.

It's just an awful feeling when you make it this far, feel that you might finally make a championship after three years of...well, not doing so, and then you get stomped by somebody you've already beaten before, and get zilch for all your hard work.
Well that was just an average to make a point. A point you apparently didn't follow. Remember that Redemption to Ruination gap I mentioned? Yeah that was about a 5 year stretch of winning nothing. So yeah I know a thing or two about droughts. Yeah it kind of sucks when you do make it to the Finals here and there during that kind of stretch and still fall short, but you just salvage what you can and try to do better next time.

I could probably say I did myself more harm than good by sticking to Zombie Killer season after season during the ARC round robin tournaments. You don't do yourself many favors if you stay stagnet design wise.
Fair point. That last bit about staying stagnant design-wise though, I don't get. As of late- whenever I bring designs back, I try to improve them wherever I can, as I did in Tornedron's case when I remade him from the original Psyclone. Likewise, I completely rebuilt Lethal Injection and did well with him up until losing to CotD (A rammer losing to a spinner), but lost with Tornedron to Lethal Injection lite.

In this case- a spinner with the same degree of power as CotD but faster and much more agile (And as we saw was fast enough to keep up with ABR last time) loses to a rammer with 5 armour, but likewise- CotD beat Lethal Injection despite being far slower and LI2 having much better armour overall. So to put it in perspective- my Rammer loses, opposing Spinner wins. Then my Spinner loses, opposing Rammer wins.


And as one last point against the whole idea of sticking with ideas you're comfortable with being a bad thing- I don't recall Kody changed Teresa much since it won LORE's SHW division, yet it's not given up a loss, and still considered to be essentially invincible. So it's not always a bad thing to stick with what works.
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Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

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Losses: 230
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Jan 22 2014, 05:25 PM
Fair point. That last bit about staying stagnant design-wise though, I don't get. As of late- whenever I bring designs back, I try to improve them wherever I can, as I did in Tornedron's case when I remade him from the original Psyclone. Likewise, I completely rebuilt Lethal Injection and did well with him up until losing to CotD (A rammer losing to a spinner), but lost with Tornedron to Lethal Injection lite.

In this case- a spinner with the same degree of power as CotD but faster and much more agile (And as we saw was fast enough to keep up with ABR last time) loses to a rammer with 5 armour, but likewise- CotD beat Lethal Injection despite being far slower and LI2 having much better armour overall. So to put it in perspective- my Rammer loses, opposing Spinner wins. Then my Spinner loses, opposing Rammer wins.


And as one last point against the whole idea of sticking with ideas you're comfortable with being a bad thing- I don't recall Kody changed Teresa much since it won LORE's SHW division, yet it's not given up a loss, and still considered to be essentially invincible. So it's not always a bad thing to stick with what works.
You seem to forget CotD also had that 14-powered axe, which also made a BIG difference in that fight. Not enough to swamp you, but enough to edge LI out.

Tornedron, unlike CotD, doesn't have much going for it against that 11-armour scoop and ABR's superb control and drivetrain, so there was little direction else that fight would have gone.

Also, I have to laugh, because I was just discussing with a few of the others of a new-ish design for Teresa. Teresa isn't invincible by any means or it'd just 45-0 JD win or KO everything it fights. It's not like Jack Frost, Reaver, Manta, and a lot of the others have been humiliated by her, they came to really close decisions, and if I was being completely honest, I'm incredibly surprised at her potential.
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Jan 22 2014, 04:46 PM
So yeah I know a thing or two about droughts.
Now that Philip's back, we can all be prepared to hear about his drought so extreme that even the desert died away from dehydration.
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Jan 22 2014, 05:30 PM
Tornedron, unlike CotD, doesn't have much going for it against that 11-armour scoop and ABR's superb control and drivetrain, so there was little direction else that fight would have gone.
Then why did I beat him the first time?
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Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0)
Swiftsure- 2-0
Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0
Ayame- 1-0
Dead on Arrival- 1-0
Barley Picker- 1-0
Lethal Injection 3- 1-0

Robot Bastards 2 (5-5)
Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1
Trump ex Machina- 0-3
Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3)

Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8)
Ayame- 6-1
Marauder- 6-1
Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4
Lethal Injection 3- 5-2

ALL-TIME RECORD
Wins: 347
Losses: 230
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Jan 22 2014, 05:34 PM
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Jan 22 2014, 05:30 PM
Tornedron, unlike CotD, doesn't have much going for it against that 11-armour scoop and ABR's superb control and drivetrain, so there was little direction else that fight would have gone.
Then why did I beat him the first time?
I knew this would come up. -_-

You were in a different arena. Land of Confusion is a very spinner-friendly arena. That's not to say rammers are completely fucked (as Mercenary proved against Spike) but they have very little options for them. The floor flippers would probably be the best thing to take a spinner too and even those are near the conveyors, which can fuck up your driving bad. Tornedron was able to get back in the fight in that arena, since ABR couldn't do much with him there.

The ARC Arena, on the other hand, is very neutral, so ABR has some options.
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