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| Byte Size 4.5: The Plot Thickens | |
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| Topic Started: Mar 3 2013, 03:36 PM (1,607 Views) | |
| NFX | Mar 30 2013, 08:12 AM Post #101 |
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Wow, I hadn't expected Frequency to do that well. =) Nice to see Alex doing decently too, but it's a shame about Pyrite. Either the matchups just weren't in its favour, or Badnik's a much better RP'er than we're giving him credit for. It was an interesting read, though, hopefully the rest of the weight classes are as good as the LW was. |
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Team Mongoose (358-215) "The Colour of Awesome" Braveheart / Crash Blossom / Depth Charge / Broken Ghost / Murder Death Unit / Agent X RoBattle Override - 13 pts MiDAS - 12 pts it was a gigantic masturbation of polygons :v - That Kode Guy | |
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| Badnik96 | Mar 30 2013, 08:28 AM Post #102 |
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Pyrite didn't win a single match? ;-; |
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Team Ignition WhipCoil - The Crash & Burn Tournament 5 Champion Redline - Robot Bastards LW Champion Sling Shot - Bot-o-Rama 2016 Sportsman Champion The Debilitator - Cherry Bomb Classic Lightweight Champion Pyrite - FRR Backlash Lightweight Champion Doomerang - Robot Fight Night Heavyweight Champion [/color]
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| NWOWWE | Mar 30 2013, 08:31 AM Post #103 |
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2-2-1... Actually better than I was expecting. |
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| BEES | Apr 2 2013, 12:04 PM Post #104 |
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I've never lived by anyone's rules but my own.
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MWs are coming along... speculations? |
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| That Kode Guy | Apr 2 2013, 12:32 PM Post #105 |
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I finish dead last, NFX wins, GF93 mutters something about undercutters, and John comes 2nd despite not being in the tournament. |
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| NFX | Apr 2 2013, 12:33 PM Post #106 |
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I have this order: 1) Maurader 2= Xianghua 2= Merry HamptonBR 4) Green Hornet 5) Epiclypse 6) Brick But Xiagahanuaghginuhinagunaigna wins the fight between itself and Merry Hampton. |
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Team Mongoose (358-215) "The Colour of Awesome" Braveheart / Crash Blossom / Depth Charge / Broken Ghost / Murder Death Unit / Agent X RoBattle Override - 13 pts MiDAS - 12 pts it was a gigantic masturbation of polygons :v - That Kode Guy | |
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| Badnik96 | Apr 2 2013, 01:19 PM Post #107 |
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Epiclypse is going to fail miserably |
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Team Ignition WhipCoil - The Crash & Burn Tournament 5 Champion Redline - Robot Bastards LW Champion Sling Shot - Bot-o-Rama 2016 Sportsman Champion The Debilitator - Cherry Bomb Classic Lightweight Champion Pyrite - FRR Backlash Lightweight Champion Doomerang - Robot Fight Night Heavyweight Champion [/color]
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| NFX | Apr 2 2013, 07:05 PM Post #108 |
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If Brick wins the Middleweight Division. I will give you four imaginary dollars. |
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Team Mongoose (358-215) "The Colour of Awesome" Braveheart / Crash Blossom / Depth Charge / Broken Ghost / Murder Death Unit / Agent X RoBattle Override - 13 pts MiDAS - 12 pts it was a gigantic masturbation of polygons :v - That Kode Guy | |
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| GF93 | Apr 2 2013, 07:08 PM Post #109 |
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Vi veri veniversum vivus vici.
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UNDERCUTTEEEEEEEEEEEEERS |
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Ice Cubed Robotics "I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets." Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0) Swiftsure- 2-0 Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0 Ayame- 1-0 Dead on Arrival- 1-0 Barley Picker- 1-0 Lethal Injection 3- 1-0 Robot Bastards 2 (5-5) Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1 Trump ex Machina- 0-3 Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3) Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8) Ayame- 6-1 Marauder- 6-1 Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4 Lethal Injection 3- 5-2 ALL-TIME RECORD Wins: 347 Losses: 230
Notable Achievements on Advanced Robot Combat for make benefit glorious Team of Ice Cubed Robotics
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| BEES | Apr 15 2013, 12:07 PM Post #110 |
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This is still happening. I've been busy at work; plus I got a big presentation to give this Friday. I'll try to fit this in this week though, somehow. |
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| NFX | May 12 2013, 06:54 AM Post #111 |
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That went well. =P Not that I'm trying to be pushy or anything, but it has been a month or so. I'm still pretty interested, even if nobody else seems to be. |
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Team Mongoose (358-215) "The Colour of Awesome" Braveheart / Crash Blossom / Depth Charge / Broken Ghost / Murder Death Unit / Agent X RoBattle Override - 13 pts MiDAS - 12 pts it was a gigantic masturbation of polygons :v - That Kode Guy | |
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| GF93 | May 12 2013, 07:04 AM Post #112 |
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Vi veri veniversum vivus vici.
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Same here. I know it's been a while, but I'm still intregued. |
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Ice Cubed Robotics "I will not die until I achieve something. Even though the ideal is high, I never give in. Therefore, I never die with regrets." Cherry Bomb Classic: Season 2 (8-0) Swiftsure- 2-0 Torque Dirty 2 Me- 2-0 Ayame- 1-0 Dead on Arrival- 1-0 Barley Picker- 1-0 Lethal Injection 3- 1-0 Robot Bastards 2 (5-5) Apathy & Lethargy- 2-1 Trump ex Machina- 0-3 Rainbow in the Dark- 3-1 (6-3) Ruination: The Upheaval (20-8) Ayame- 6-1 Marauder- 6-1 Dreadnought Mk3- 3-4 Lethal Injection 3- 5-2 ALL-TIME RECORD Wins: 347 Losses: 230
Notable Achievements on Advanced Robot Combat for make benefit glorious Team of Ice Cubed Robotics
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| BEES | May 12 2013, 08:10 AM Post #113 |
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I have the percentages done. I've been really super duper procrasstinatey about writing the fights though. It will happen though. |
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| BEES | May 19 2013, 08:59 PM Post #114 |
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MW Round 1 Xianghua vs the Green Hornet Kody will have his work cut out for him. That disc will do a fair amount of damage. There are lots of grooves and corners in the armor for the Green Hornet to put stress on with its repeated strikes. I don’t treat the stats for Byte Size quite like ARC stats though. Just because someone prioritizes their speed and weapon power higher than their armor means very little to me. I know that any robot without a heavy kinetic energy weapon can protect at least 1 side from pretty much any attack, if it is designed well, and I think Xianghua’s back serves this purpose. Due to its speed and resilience I do think this Xianghua will make this a close match, but since the Green Hornet will own the damage category in a JD, I give it the edge. 55-45 Green Hornet Green Hornet vs Merry Hampton The britishy rammer looks rock-solid. That doesn’t necessarily mean it would always beat every spinner, but the Green Hornet is all about its disc. It has no backup wedge, no other form of attack really, so when it encounters a bot its disc has a hard time damaging, it spends three minutes soul-searching instead of fighting. Still, a close match because the hornet can deflect the locomotive’s attacks and at least fling it around some. There are ways for it to have control of the match. I also don’t think that weapons just ‘stop’ like they do in ARC. Modern spinners can power their weapons continuously for a whole match; they can run into steel walls over and over; it is just much harder to fight spinners than it was in the days of Robot Wars/Battlebots, and Merry Hampton is not armed with any sort of weapons with which to fight back. It is merely a wedge. I will give this to the Green Hornet, but only by a hair. 55-45 Green Hornet Merry Hampton vs Marauder For the record, I love tracks. I wish they were more practical in competitions but from what I have heard from real roboteers, they just aren’t. They have more pieces that can fail than wheels do, they can get caught if there’s debris on the floor, they can also break if there are hazards, and they don’t actually offer any traction advantages (believe it or not). So all they really do is look menacing. I still love tracks though. I love the way they look and I want the tracked bot to win whenever I’m watching a fight in many cases, just because. Alex is probably having cluster heart-attacks from reading this but that little disclaimer I started with is a ruse. I actually do think Marauder has an edge, albeit a slight one. Hampton has no way to exploit the tracks and between the two rammers, I’m inclined to go for the one with the active weapon, which can put pressure on the tip of its lifter to maybe get a leverage advantage. In addition, Hampton’s frame interferes with its wheels if it gets tilted backwards a bit. Marauder’s tracks stay in contact with the floor in the same situation though, so it can back off Hampton’s wedge a bit more. 55-45 Marauder Epiclypse vs Marauder So the question then becomes, how does Marauder protect itself? That disc covers the full underside of Epiclypse so every time Marauder gets under, it’s getting disked. It runs a serious risk of slamming Epiclypse and having its tracks torn when Epi falls off the back side. That said, I think Alex will stay in control for unless that event happens. His bot’s wedge, at the very least, should withstand punishment; I think he could bully Epiclypse with its somewhat awkward drivetrain arrangement. I think the probability of a track getting a direct nick from the disc is just over 50-50, which corresponds pretty much with how good I think the chances are of each bot winning. I’ll keep this one close as well.55-45 Epiclypse Epiclypse vs Brick Rock vs Scissors almost. I hate to reduce this to that but that is what Brick is: a well-armored bot with a good drivetrain. I don’t think the spike factors into this much, I think it can simply box-rush Epiclypse, and Badnik isn’t in much of a position to do anything about it unfortunately except to keep deflecting and stay away from the corners. He will flick Nick’s Brick pretty quick with his 60-40 Brick Round 2: Merry Hampton vs Xianghua I think it’s safe to assume both robots are probably dead even if they lock fronts. It is difficult trying to judge which type of wedge is more effective, but this isn’t a stat-based tourney, so I have to. Wedges rarely lock up IRL, so one of these is getting under. I have to tilt the odds towards the bot with an active weapon in that case, as it could use that to ‘press’ into the floor. The angle of Xianghua’s wedges also look sharper. With little else relevant to the fight to discuss, I think we can assume the pink menace has some amount of an advantage. 65-35 Xianghua The Green Hornet vs Marauder Marauder’s tracks will be tasty targets for that flywheel, armor priorities notwithstanding. The question is, how much counterplay does it get from ramming at the Green Hornet with its wedge and trying to disable the weapon? Probably enough to merit some kind of non-zero probability of winning. It’ll probably be able to push Josh’s bot around for much of the fight, but that disc only has to breath near the tracks, maybe look at them with a very serious expression, and one of them will inevitably break, and that’s it. 65-35 Green Hornet Merry Hampton vs Epiclypse Why such a different result from Green Hornet vs Merry Hampton? The principle design flaw with robots like Epiclypse is that pushing up on the front will cause the back of the disc to hit the floor (while this would not happen for Green Hornet). It is more top-heavy than a comparably-sized full body spinner would be, which helps to facilitate this. I think Epiclypse will come off worse from box-rush attacks from Merry Hampton. The disc is all it has to deflect MH’s attacks. Perhaps it can hold control for a while but I think the chances of that disc stopping are greater due to its design-giving MH free reign for the last thirty seconds maybe. 70-30 Merry Hampton Xianghua vs Marauder For similar reasons to the Xianghua/Merry Hampton match, Kody’s bot looks like it was designed to have better leverage on its wedge. That all said; that is subjective and less certain in this case. Both robots have active weapons in this case, so it’s a slightly closer match. I expect Marauder will spend some of the time getting under Xianghua’s sides and getting occasional chances to slam Xianghua around, so it will be somewhat close. Part of Xianghua’s advantage comes from having a flipper as opposed to a lifter—making its attacks somewhat more aggressive. That’ll translate to better judge’s decisions unless Marauder has some way to neutralize it. Unfortunately, Marauder at best seems to have equality with its lifting apparatus, and less to show for when it does manage to get under. 60-40 Xianghua The Green Hornet vs Epiclypse Ah, the first spinner/spinner match in Byte Size this time! Tricky to decide here. I think the more exposed wheels of Epiclypse could be problematic for its survival, but at the same time, its disc is larger and perhaps more powerful? Rather speculative. I think the range on Green Hornet ~slightly~ favors it if it tries to go for those wheels, but eh I think it’s rather close. The match percentage will be close but I think it would likely end in a knockout in one direction or the other. Epiclypse could possibly disable Green Hornet’s weapon, then gradually incur damage until it gets a hit on something critical. Green Hornet more likely would get the knockout hit right away on the sides with driving hijinks. All that said, I’m not sure I’m satisfied with this assessment. Perhaps Epiclypse should win? Tempted to make this 50-50, but I feel like Green Hornet is just a bit more versatile in some way that will make a difference. 60-40 Green Hornet Xianghua vs Epiclypse Similar as well to Murphy Hamilton vs Epilepsy. The low pushybot has a relatively simple time pushing Epiclypse around. Damage is an issue, but again Epiclypse’s weapon will have trouble being pushed into the floor in the back. That said, damage is a very serious issue and if Xianghua wins, it will be by the skin of its teeth in a heroically close match every time. My religious belief that Xianghua has an advantage in this fight is based off the fact that (as I mentioned earlier) real robots can fully protect one side, no matter what kind of bot they are. That, and Epiclypse’s catamaran spinner design historically is not very effective at giving it good mobility or protection from rammers. Close though. 55-45 Xianghua Round 3: The Final Round: EVERYONE FIGHTS BRICK! Brick vs Xianghua Without any leveraging surfaces or useful weapons, I don’t see much that Brick can do to its low opponent. This is a relatively one-sided match. Xianghua will just go for flips. To add humiliation to the pain, Brick could land on its side from a flip and get KOed. I’m tempted to say 100-0, but I might as well account for the random chance of an electrical failure on Kody’s machine. Make no mistake, the only reason this and Merry Hampon’s matchups against Brick aren’t 100-0 is that I’m too much of a scientist; I’m trying to be open-minded and empirical. 90-10 Xianghua Brick vs Merry Hampton BR The wedge bot will simply get under the box and win every exchange. There is next to nothing Brick can do in this matchup. Its ramming will leave it benched on its opponent’s wedge and its spike will likely do nothing to the armor—which he’ll have trouble getting a clean hit on anyway. It is very one-sided. 90-10 Merry Hampton Brick vs Marauder Not as one-sided as the matches against Xianghua and Merry Hampton but still a very one-sided match. Brick has *some* counterplay in the form of potentially stabbing Marauder’s sides and damaging the tracks somehow. Other than that it plays out the same. 80-20 Marauder Brick vs The Green Hornet This is the sort of thing that makes Byte Size’s percentage-based system a bit annoying. In terms of its other matchups, the Green Hornet fares better than Xianghua. It is only because the mean green machine struggles against Brick and Xianghua gets a free win that Kody’s machine edges out the championship. Brick gets to play kingmaker, essentially. Though this could’ve been avoided if Josh had put an auxiliary wedge on the back or something very basic like that, so at the end of the day I suppose he could still blame himself for making a design that was too one-dimensional. I would have this as a close match. Josh does edge out a victory but only by the skin of his teeth, and only because of the sheer luck that he happened to put slanted stabilizing bars on the sides of his bot—which he could use to get under Brick and push it around. Obviously the disc wouldn’t be very effective in the damage department but it does still deflect Brick’s slams. But I expect Nick to get some good hits in as well, and probably push the Hornet into the walls a lot. Tough call. I think the extra range on the disc plus the wedging stabilizers on the side of Josh’s bot tilt the match compared to Epiclypse’s narrow loss. 65-35 Green Hornet |
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| BEES | May 19 2013, 09:07 PM Post #115 |
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Well that took long enough! Time to work on those HWs. Maybe I can get them done in less than a month for once. |
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| NWOWWE | May 19 2013, 09:14 PM Post #116 |
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Second place isn't too bad for Green Hornet considering how bad it did the season I entered it. |
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| Badnik96 | May 19 2013, 09:35 PM Post #117 |
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One win? Better than Pyrite at least. Hopefully I can turn things around in HW. |
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Team Ignition WhipCoil - The Crash & Burn Tournament 5 Champion Redline - Robot Bastards LW Champion Sling Shot - Bot-o-Rama 2016 Sportsman Champion The Debilitator - Cherry Bomb Classic Lightweight Champion Pyrite - FRR Backlash Lightweight Champion Doomerang - Robot Fight Night Heavyweight Champion [/color]
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| That Kode Guy | May 19 2013, 09:48 PM Post #118 |
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Excellent! |
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| NFX | May 20 2013, 01:17 AM Post #119 |
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Did I not tell you Brick would finish last. =P Congrats to Kody, I'm actually still pretty interested in this thing. |
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| BEES | May 20 2013, 10:37 AM Post #120 |
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I'll invent a Glory Hole award so you can win it. :lol: |
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It runs a serious risk of slamming Epiclypse and having its tracks torn when Epi falls off the back side. That said, I think Alex will stay in control for unless that event happens. His bot’s wedge, at the very least, should withstand punishment; I think he could bully Epiclypse with its somewhat awkward drivetrain arrangement. I think the probability of a track getting a direct nick from the disc is just over 50-50, which corresponds pretty much with how good I think the chances are of each bot winning. I’ll keep this one close as well.
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